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Post by ukcstokie on Feb 23, 2015 10:55:09 GMT
Unbelievable really. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31583092The challenge on Matic was very poor, but surely there's no case against his retaliation? Must be an increased ban for a frivolous appeal?
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Post by Clem Fandango on Feb 23, 2015 10:59:11 GMT
It should be an increased ban but it won't.
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Post by Gods on Feb 23, 2015 10:59:15 GMT
I think his reaction was understandable but I can't see how that can save him in the eyes of the laws of the game. I think it is more a case of Chelsea continuing to give out the message to those who officiate the game "we are watching you" I suspect it is a policy which over the course of the remainder of the season will almost inevitably reap rewards for them, horrible, ugly bullying of officials though it is.
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Post by delilah7 on Feb 23, 2015 11:02:15 GMT
Not sure if it is frivolous tbh, he has pushed him in the chest. Albeit quite hard, there was no danger of the player being injured. I hate Chelsea but for once I honestly think they are correct on this one. Don't think the FA will have the balls to refuse this one, otherwise they will have to come out in condemnation of the Burnley player. For me a red card for Burnley player with a 3 match ban minimum and a yellow for Matic with a message of do that again and you will get a ban. Mourinho has been very clever in the way he has put his point across and tied Goals on Sunday into knots, although at no point does he accept that his team ever do anything wrong.
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Post by podolipotter on Feb 23, 2015 11:08:33 GMT
Matic and Ivanovich should have been awarded an Oscar last night for their outlandish rolling around in agony acts yet still being able to dash up and confront their supposed "killers". What a pair of girls they are.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 23, 2015 11:12:22 GMT
Not sure if it is frivolous tbh, he has pushed him in the chest. Albeit quite hard, there was no danger of the player being injured. I hate Chelsea but for once I honestly think they are correct on this one. Don't think the FA will have the balls to refuse this one, otherwise they will have to come out in condemnation of the Burnley player. For me a red card for Burnley player with a 3 match ban minimum and a yellow for Matic with a message of do that again and you will get a ban. Mourinho has been very clever in the way he has put his point across and tied Goals on Sunday into knots, although at no point does he accept that his team ever do anything wrong. A push in the chest is a red card offence. You could argue that it is harsh but that is the rule as it stands. You can't plead a bad tackle in mitigation either. There is a case for his tackler getting a red card but no case to downgrade Matic's red card under the rules as they stand.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Feb 23, 2015 11:30:35 GMT
Im not totally convinced it was a bad tackle. Ive looked at it a few times and he goes for the ball, wins the ball and then his foot slides over the top of it and hits Matic in a horrible position.
Yes he could have broken his leg, but is there any intent? Looks a pure accident to me. Ref made the right call and Matic has over-reacted
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Feb 23, 2015 11:34:23 GMT
plus Mourinho now calling him a "criminal". If thats not bringing the game into disrepute I dunno what is.
If I was Burnley chairman I would sue Mourinho for defamation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 11:35:24 GMT
The red card will and should stand. Are the FA supposed to excuse his actions because it was a poor challenge?
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Post by upthefud on Feb 23, 2015 11:40:57 GMT
Matic and Ivanovich should have been awarded an Oscar last night for their outlandish rolling around in agony acts yet still being able to dash up and confront their supposed "killers". What a pair of girls they are. Ivanovic maybe but Matic? Did you see his leg?
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Post by podolipotter on Feb 23, 2015 11:47:17 GMT
Matic and Ivanovich should have been awarded an Oscar last night for their outlandish rolling around in agony acts yet still being able to dash up and confront their supposed "killers". What a pair of girls they are. Ivanovic maybe but Matic? Did you see his leg? Nope, but I did see him do a 10 Metre dash to shove Barnes over despite his agonisingly crippling injury.
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Feb 23, 2015 11:48:07 GMT
I've got sympathy on Matic's part to be honest. To miss a cup final for little more than a push is harsh, especially given the circumstance.
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Feb 23, 2015 11:48:51 GMT
Ivanovic maybe but Matic? Did you see his leg? Nope, but I did see him do a 10 Metre dash to shove Barnes over despite his agonisingly crippling injury. I must have seen something different, Matic didn't stay down at all did he?
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Post by thebet365 on Feb 23, 2015 11:49:07 GMT
I must admit having only seen the clips doing the rounds on social media It looked an horrendous challenge. Having seen the full incident now I don't think Barnes did anything wrong.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 23, 2015 12:26:48 GMT
I have no love of Burnley FC but what the Chelsea manager has subjected that club to this weekend is pathetic really.
Had Burnley lost 6-0, there would be none of this, just as there would have been none of Wenger's sniping at Stoke City had we simply done what others have done, and rolled over to have our bellies tickled.
Penalty or no penalty, Chelsea should thump Burnley every time they play them and deep down it is this that irks Mourinho more than any poor challenge or denied penalty claims.
Blackpool got all the plaudits when they were in this league because invariably they played pretty football, troubled the big boys for a half an hour before rolling over and giving them an easy win. The big boys love that kind of stuff. They don't like it when the young upstarts come in and truly make life difficult for them, giving them a bloody nose in the process.
Well done Burnley I say, though I still hope that they get relegated!
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Post by philb on Feb 23, 2015 12:52:31 GMT
I have no love of Burnley FC but what the Chelsea manager has subjected that club to this weekend is pathetic really. Had Burnley lost 6-0, there would be none of this, just as there would have been none of Wenger's sniping at Stoke City had we simply done what others have done, and rolled over to have our bellies tickled. Penalty or no penalty, Chelsea should thump Burnley every time they play them and deep down it is this that irks Mourinho more than any poor challenge or denied penalty claims. Blackpool got all the plaudits when they were in this league because invariably they played pretty football, troubled the big boys for a half an hour before rolling over and giving them an easy win. The big boys love that kind of stuff. They don't like it when the young upstarts come in and truly make life difficult for them, giving them a bloody nose in the process. Well done Burnley I say, though I still hope that they get relegated! They don't like it up 'em!!!
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Post by metalhead on Feb 23, 2015 12:56:51 GMT
The tackle from Barnes was atrocious, a leg breaker and we would have gone into meltdown if it was on Bojan or one of our talented young players. Matic's shove on Barnes was a direct reaction to what was a very dangerous and poorly timed challenge.
Should his red be rescinded? Probably not, but at the same time I see why Chelsea are annoyed.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 23, 2015 13:01:50 GMT
The tackle from Barnes was atrocious, a leg breaker and we would have gone into meltdown if it was on Bojan or one of our talented young players. Matic's shove on Barnes was a direct reaction to what was a very dangerous and poorly timed challenge. Should his red be rescinded? Probably not, but at the same time I see why Chelsea are annoyed. Bad tackles happen in football. It's the game unfortunately. It is the sheer double standards of it all that irks me. I don't suppose anyone associated with Chelsea even remembers the David Luiz tackle on Walters last season which was far worse than Barnes tackle on Matic. They wouldn't remember it because we didn't make a song and dance over it, didn't label him a criminal and made no comments such as "their player, if you can call him a player after a tackle like that...".
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Post by shrewspotter on Feb 23, 2015 13:04:30 GMT
Unbelievable really. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31583092The challenge on Matic was very poor, but surely there's no case against his retaliation? Must be an increased ban for a frivolous appeal? I don't blame Matic at all for his reaction, surely if that was a Stoke player then we would say different
If for example someone at work punched you square in the chin, your actions would be to hit them back, if you got the sack for it, you wouldn't be happy and even ore unhappy if the person that hit you got away scott free.
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Post by werrington on Feb 23, 2015 13:04:41 GMT
The tackle from Barnes was atrocious, a leg breaker and we would have gone into meltdown if it was on Bojan or one of our talented young players. Matic's shove on Barnes was a direct reaction to what was a very dangerous and poorly timed challenge. Should his red be rescinded? Probably not, but at the same time I see why Chelsea are annoyed. It was and yes we probably would Those tackles have always happened and will continue to happen as it's part of the game I also think none of them are deliberate or ( the current hip word ) premeditated
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Post by werrington on Feb 23, 2015 13:06:08 GMT
For those defending Mourinho over that tackle....they sound like fucking Arsenal fans over the Shawcross tackle
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Post by eddyclamp on Feb 23, 2015 13:06:03 GMT
Not sure if it is frivolous tbh, he has pushed him in the chest. Albeit quite hard, there was no danger of the player being injured. I hate Chelsea but for once I honestly think they are correct on this one. Don't think the FA will have the balls to refuse this one, otherwise they will have to come out in condemnation of the Burnley player. For me a red card for Burnley player with a 3 match ban minimum and a yellow for Matic with a message of do that again and you will get a ban. Mourinho has been very clever in the way he has put his point across and tied Goals on Sunday into knots, although at no point does he accept that his team ever do anything wrong. A push in the chest is a red card offence. You could argue that it is harsh but that is the rule as it stands. You can't plead a bad tackle in mitigation either. There is a case for his tackler getting a red card but no case to downgrade Matic's red card under the rules as they stand. According to Howard Webb a push below neck height is yellow and above neck height is a red.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 23, 2015 13:10:53 GMT
A push in the chest is a red card offence. You could argue that it is harsh but that is the rule as it stands. You can't plead a bad tackle in mitigation either. There is a case for his tackler getting a red card but no case to downgrade Matic's red card under the rules as they stand. According to Howard Webb a push below neck height is yellow and above neck height is a red. True - but Webb has never managed to find an extract from the laws of the game which backs up this (common sense) opinion. Pity for Joey Barton that Webb was not refereeing the Hull QPR game this weekend!
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Post by pretzel on Feb 23, 2015 13:13:06 GMT
Im not totally convinced it was a bad tackle. Ive looked at it a few times and he goes for the ball, wins the ball and then his foot slides over the top of it and hits Matic in a horrible position. Yes he could have broken his leg, but is there any intent? Looks a pure accident to me. Ref made the right call and Matic has over-reacted Agree with this 100%. Yes Matic could have been horribly injured because of a challenge that went wrong but he wasn't, as you oould see from how he got up to sprint after Barnes. Unfortunate but he lost his head and now has to pay the price, as does anyone who raises their hands against an opponent.
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Post by thebet365 on Feb 23, 2015 13:22:11 GMT
The tackle from Barnes was atrocious, a leg breaker and we would have gone into meltdown if it was on Bojan or one of our talented young players. Matic's shove on Barnes was a direct reaction to what was a very dangerous and poorly timed challenge. Should his red be rescinded? Probably not, but at the same time I see why Chelsea are annoyed. It wasn't a tackle. Barnes had the ball, had a bad touch and stretched but still played the ball cleanly. Matic came in fractionally late and was unfortunately on the end of Barnes follow through who was already leaning back so his foot came up after kicking the ball. A bad tackle would be if Matic had played the ball and Barnes came in on him. It's fine lines but in this instance it's Matic coming in late not Barnes.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 23, 2015 13:26:27 GMT
For those defending Mourinho over that tackle....they sound like fucking Arsenal fans over the Shawcross tackle I'm not defending Mourinho. I'm defending Matic's reaction. Don't under-estimate how much that foot planted in his standing leg probably hurt. Also the movement in his leg will have been seriously painful. I imagine his reaction was a combination of adrenaline fused with anger. I can understand his reaction. Mourinho is pulling a Wenger, although not quite as bad yet. Give him time though. I like Mourinho, but the further he gets like this, the further he'll go down till I hate him.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Feb 23, 2015 13:37:46 GMT
Terrible challenge and I can't believe people say it wasn't bad because of how Matic reacted. As for people slagging off Mourinho what's he actually done wrong? Come out and voiced his opinion about facts, they have been done over many times this season it's there for all too see.
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Post by ukcstokie on Feb 23, 2015 13:58:55 GMT
Terrible challenge and I can't believe people say it wasn't bad because of how Matic reacted. Nobody is saying that though. People are analysing the tackle and coming to their own conclusions. I don't think the tackle was deliberate or overly physical, but it could have done terrible damage. In today's climate it's probably a red. As for people slagging off Mourinho what's he actually done wrong? Come out and voiced his opinion about facts, they have been done over many times this season it's there for all too see. You don't think these comments are way over the top? Bad tackles happen in football. The tackle by Luiz on Walters was far worse and premeditated, but we as a club don't (and wouldn't be allowed) to go into these mind games trying to influence refs.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 23, 2015 14:02:12 GMT
Burnley fans feel a bit victimised and I can see their point. It looked horrific, but I'm not at all convinced there was any intent at all. But, much the same with the Shawcross one, it all gets lost once the incident involves a big London club with a nutty manager and the feeding frenzy begins
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Post by bertiebigguns on Feb 23, 2015 14:08:54 GMT
At least it diverts all of the media attention from the racism scandal in Paris to poor old Chelsea being the victims.
He's off, it's violent conduct see you later. The FA are opening themselves right up if they rescind this.
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