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Post by retired1 on Feb 12, 2015 10:36:17 GMT
A certain Swansea manager mught be laughing at the sense of injustice we feel.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 12, 2015 10:39:12 GMT
Cameron bottled the challenge unfortunately
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 10:44:52 GMT
Why when Silva goes down (collapsing from the feet) when Cameron loosely holds his shoulder, the media see it as a definite penalty. But when Moses has his shirt grabbed for a penalty, the media see it as a dive? or conversely.... please explain to me why when Moses does it against Swansea then everyone on here defends him to the hilt saying he HAD to do it and had every right to do it because of how bad ref's are and all he was doing was showing the ref he'd been fouled so that's fine but when Silva does it then according to everyone on here he's a cheating bastard? it swings both ways mate yes, the media are inconsistent no doubt about it but let's not pretend that most on here aren't just as bloody hypocritical! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 10:47:42 GMT
Cameron bottled the challenge unfortunately absolutely 100% spot on mate!!! he was poor in that instance (that's being kind!). went in half hearted, got done far far too easily then grabbed Silva as he was turned. yes, Silva made the most of it but it WAS a pen, no question. first thing i thought when i saw it was "Fucking idiot" (about Cameron) and i still think that now. trying to blame Silva or the ref is pathetic given the fact we applauded Moses for "Highlighting" a foul against Swansea and stuck up for him till the cows came home for doing so. it's about time some on here actually tried placing the blame where it lies i.e. Cameron, no-one else at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 10:50:49 GMT
Simple...... One team is Stoke City....and the other is Man City, it really is that simple!!! so why did we get the pen against Swansea when Moses massively overplayed that foul then if there's this anti-Stoke conspiracy? why did Diouf get a free kick against Newcastle instead of being booked for a ridiculously blatant (and embarrassing) dive? this "Victim card" is fucking embarrassing!!!!!!! if ANY other team tries it we slag them off but when it's us it's suddenly "Oh poor ickle Stoke, everyone's against us, everyone hates us....." fucking pathetic! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 10:52:36 GMT
All this he was touched so is entitled to go Down is a load of fucking bollocks,soft penalties for soft players,man up and get on with it you bunch of soft girls blouses.   |
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Post by metalhead on Feb 12, 2015 10:53:11 GMT
Cameron bottled the challenge unfortunately ansolutely 100% spot on mate!!! he was poor in that instance (that's being kind!). went in half hearted, got done far far too easily then grabbed Silva as he was turned. yes, Silva made the most of it but it WAS a pen, no question. first thing i thought when i saw it was "Fucking idiot" (about Cameron) and i still think that now. trying to blame Silva or the ref is pathetic given the fact we applauded Moses for "Highlighting" a foul against Swansea and stuck up for him till the cows came home for doing so. it's about time some on here actually tried placing the blame where it lies i.e. Cameron, no-one else at all. It was a dive absolutely, but then so was Moses, in my opinion and I've always said that. The Bojan one (against Everton) was more akin to the shove in the back that Diouf got and unfortunately we didn't get that either. I'm not going to sit here and say the refs are doing a great job Mick, because I just don't think they are, however in that instance, there's as much contact on Silva as on Moses, and the whole "look at this photo" rubbish, really doesn't wash. It was a dive, so was Moses. Did it change the game that much? Citeh were dominant at that point. The moment that changed the game was the Milner handball unfortunately. Shit happens. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Feb 12, 2015 10:53:10 GMT
Why when Silva goes down (collapsing from the feet) when Cameron loosely holds his shoulder, the media see it as a definite penalty. But when Moses has his shirt grabbed for a penalty, the media see it as a dive? or conversely.... please explain to me why when Moses does it against Swansea then everyone on here defends him to the hilt saying he HAD to do it and had every right to do it because of how bad ref's are and all he was doing was showing the ref he'd been fouled so that's fine but when Silva does it then according to everyone on here he's a cheating bastard? it swings both ways mate yes, the media are inconsistent no doubt about it but let's not pretend that most on here aren't just as bloody hypocritical! We ARE Mick and your point is quite right. However, doesn't explain why the media see ours as a dive and theirs as a stone wall penalty. I think THAT is the problem people have with it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 10:56:02 GMT
ansolutely 100% spot on mate!!! he was poor in that instance (that's being kind!). went in half hearted, got done far far too easily then grabbed Silva as he was turned. yes, Silva made the most of it but it WAS a pen, no question. first thing i thought when i saw it was "Fucking idiot" (about Cameron) and i still think that now. trying to blame Silva or the ref is pathetic given the fact we applauded Moses for "Highlighting" a foul against Swansea and stuck up for him till the cows came home for doing so. it's about time some on here actually tried placing the blame where it lies i.e. Cameron, no-one else at all. It was a dive absolutely, but then so was Moses, in my opinion and I've always said that. The Bojan one (against Everton) was more akin to the shove in the back that Diouf got and unfortunately we didn't get that either. I'm not going to sit here and say the refs are doing a great job Mick, because I just don't think they are, however in that instance, there's as much contact on Silva as on Moses, and the whole "look at this photo" rubbish, really doesn't wash. It was a dive, so was Moses. Did it change the game that much? Citeh were dominant at that point. The moment that changed the game was the Milner handball unfortunately. Shit happens. completely agree mate...just SOOOOOOOO tired of all this unbelievable inconsistency, hypocrisy, whiny "Everyone hates Stoke" bullshit and "Every other team in the Prem are cheats but if our players do it it's because they HAD to because of how biased they are against us" and we somehow manage to take the piss out of the Bindippers and Chelsea for their deluded "Always the victim" bollocks??? some on here need to take a look in the mirror...anyone else coming on this board must laugh their arses off at us, it's embarrassing in the extreme! |
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Post by metalhead on Feb 12, 2015 10:59:32 GMT
It was a dive absolutely, but then so was Moses, in my opinion and I've always said that. The Bojan one (against Everton) was more akin to the shove in the back that Diouf got and unfortunately we didn't get that either. I'm not going to sit here and say the refs are doing a great job Mick, because I just don't think they are, however in that instance, there's as much contact on Silva as on Moses, and the whole "look at this photo" rubbish, really doesn't wash. It was a dive, so was Moses. Did it change the game that much? Citeh were dominant at that point. The moment that changed the game was the Milner handball unfortunately. Shit happens. completely agree mate...just SOOOOOOOO tired of all this unbelievable inconsistency, hypocrisy, whiny "Everyone hates Stoke" bullshit and "Every other team in the Prem are cheats but if our players do it it's because they HAD to because of how biased they are against us" and we somehow manage to take the piss out of the Bindippers and Chelsea for their deluded "Always the victim" bollocks??? some on here need to take a look in the mirror...anyone else coming on this board must laugh their arses off at us, it's embarrassing in the extreme! Actually, I laugh at Arsenal more about their victim bollocks lol. Their fans genuinely believe that the refs, the media, the newspapers, the radios, the BBC, all them lot are against them. It's actually pretty funny. The penalty didn't change the course of the game, the handball in the first half did. That is where we should be focussing our anger, because it's a very poor decision. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 11:01:09 GMT
or conversely.... please explain to me why when Moses does it against Swansea then everyone on here defends him to the hilt saying he HAD to do it and had every right to do it because of how bad ref's are and all he was doing was showing the ref he'd been fouled so that's fine but when Silva does it then according to everyone on here he's a cheating bastard? it swings both ways mate yes, the media are inconsistent no doubt about it but let's not pretend that most on here aren't just as bloody hypocritical! We ARE Mick and your point is quite right. However, doesn't explain why the media see ours as a dive and theirs as a stone wall penalty. I think THAT is the problem people have with it. do they really though? most on here apparently don't give a shit about what the media or anyone else thinks of us yet moan their bags off the minute the media say anything that they can twist into some kind of insult or slight on our team. the vast majority of footy fans DON'T make their minds up about a team or decisions in a match based on what some cheap fucking tabloid says so who gives a shit? there's also the fact that most of the media didn't label Moses a cheat at all, they simply reported on Monk's outburst of HIM calling Moses a cheat; the vast majority of stories didn't even give an opinion on Moses' "dive" they simply focussed on Monk's bizarre outburst.if you remember, even Shearer on MOTD completely disagreed with Hartson when Hartson had his outburst as well and said Monk was simply trying to deflect balme away from his own team for not finishing off the game when they had had the chances to do so..one of those things that was twisted on here at the time (and i pointed it out at the time on many threads) so people could have an excuse to slag off the media portrayal of us when in reality it was simply down to posters intentionally misrepresenting what the media were actually saying so they could whine about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 11:05:23 GMT
I dunna think anyone is complaining they and me are just saying it was a fucking dive no question fair play to him, if it were any Stoke player it would still have been a dive.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Feb 12, 2015 11:06:24 GMT
I agree with MMLC that we do go overboard in trying to defend the indefensible in our own players whilst condemning the same actions from other teams' players. The Silva/Moses penalties were both 'soft' and we can't argue for one and against the other. HOWEVER, that is EXACTLY what the media do. No-one is questioning the penalty last night (outside of Stoke) but we had several days of media comment of Moses' 'dive'. Probably because their mard-arse manager shouted so long and hard about it.
Thankfully, our club didn't take the same pathetic view.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 11:10:46 GMT
I agree with MMLC that we do go overboard in trying to defend the indefensible in our own players whilst condemning the same actions from other teams' players. The Silva/Moses penalties were both 'soft' and we can't argue for one and against the other. HOWEVER, that is EXACTLY what the media do. No-one is questioning the penalty last night (outside of Stoke) but we had several days of media comment of Moses' 'dive'. Probably because their mard-arse manager shouted so long and hard about it. Thankfully, our club didn't take the same pathetic view. completely agree mate and as you say, it wasn't the Moses incident that the media focussed on...soft pens are given week, week out they chat about them for 2 mins on MOTD then no-one cares. it wasn't the "Dive" the media cared about at all, it was Monk being a prick and his accusations that was the story |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Feb 12, 2015 12:22:22 GMT
All this he was touched so is entitled to go Down is a load of fucking bollocks,soft penalties for soft players,man up and get on with it you bunch of soft girls blouses. Mick this photo is one of several taken of Moses dive vs Swansea. But before he falls there are photos of him being blatantly held back by the defender tugging his shirt in such a way that he blind sides the ref. So IMO there is nothing wrong in what he does here because there is no intent to con or cheat As a foul had been committed. In fact the finger of accusation of cheating could be pointed at the defender for trying to get away with fouling Moses. Massive difference IMO between this and Silvas dive last night when a foul had not been committed. For some reason Moses was pilloried by the media who chose to ignore this photo evidence and instead made him out to be the first player who ever cheated by diving. Even the despicable Swanlake manager refused to withdraw his cheat accusation despite the photos. At least Hartson was man enough to apologise fir his own cheat remarks following release of these photos. |
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Post by adamsson on Feb 12, 2015 12:34:39 GMT
Why when Silva goes down (collapsing from the feet) when Cameron loosely holds his shoulder, the media see it as a definite penalty. But when Moses has his shirt grabbed for a penalty, the media see it as a dive? or conversely.... please explain to me why when Moses does it against Swansea then everyone on here defends him to the hilt saying he HAD to do it and had every right to do it because of how bad ref's are and all he was doing was showing the ref he'd been fouled so that's fine but when Silva does it then according to everyone on here he's a cheating bastard? it swings both ways mate yes, the media are inconsistent no doubt about it but let's not pretend that most on here aren't just as bloody hypocritical! He was pulled back the chance was gone because the ball had run too far forwards and his run was slowed by having his shirt pulled. Shirt pulling is foul it was in the penalty area, the referee should give a penalty. But they NEVER DO UNLESS YOU FALL OVER AND ROLL AROUND. So yes he dived after he had been fouled, you could say the same about Silva but the contact was much less and would not have significantly impeded his progress |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 12:48:59 GMT
Mick this photo is one of several taken of Moses dive vs Swansea. But before he falls there are photos of him being blatantly held back by the defender tugging his shirt in such a way that he blind sides the ref. So IMO there is nothing wrong in what he does here because there is no intent to con or cheat As a foul had been committed. In fact the finger of accusation of cheating could be pointed at the defender for trying to get away with fouling Moses. Massive difference IMO between this and Silvas dive last night when a foul had not been committed. For some reason Moses was pilloried by the media who chose to ignore this photo evidence and instead made him out to be the first player who ever cheated by diving. Even the despicable Swanlake manager refused to withdraw his cheat accusation despite the photos. At least Hartson was man enough to apologise fir his own cheat remarks following release of these photos. 1) i totally agree re: Moses...that's the point i'm making. at the time we said he did it because he needed to show the ref's he had been fouled, Silva could use exactly the same reasoning for his over-reaction last night. He turned Cameron far too easily and Cameron turned around and grabbed his shoulder to stop him getting away, Silva therefore over-emphasised the effect it had on him to show the ref he had been pulled back. neither the Silva incident last night or the Moses incident warranted the kind of falls they displayed (neither player would naturally fallen over because of what happened to them) but if we're saying Moses was right to over-react to display the foul to the ref then we can't slag off silva for doing the same thing especially given the fact that there are also photos of Moses holding the defender's shirt as well. i'm not for a second saying Moses was wrong to do what he did, simply that we can't have one rule for our players and then call opposition players "Cheats" for doing the same thing. and as i have explained, if a player beats a defender and that defender then grabs them (whether the ball is going to be under their control afterwards is irrelevant as if it's not then it's an off the ball incident in the same way that you can't just trip someone up in the middle of the pitch and get away with it because the ball isn't near them) it's a foul full stop!! 2) on the whole, the media didn't pillory Moses at all...they reported on Monk's outburst and the fact that Monk had called him a cheat.it was his over the top rant that created the story, they reported on Monk's rant and cared little about the actual "Dive" itself as soft pens are given week in, week out. |
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Feb 12, 2015 16:34:57 GMT
I've always thought people were overly harsh on him and he wasn't actually that bad. His performance last night was absolutely terrible, though. It just goes to show how desperate we are for a right back. I really don't think Bardsley is much better, if at all. Wilson at right back is surely an option? I have seen nothing to suggest Bardlsley is any better than Geoff and one of the worst players last night was Whelan. Completely agree. I'd prefer Cameron to play over Bardsley but I'd prefer neither. Whelan was poor but the difference between him and our right back options is that he's normally pretty decent. |
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