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Post by ukcstokie on Feb 12, 2015 0:12:37 GMT
Why when Silva goes down (collapsing from the feet) when Cameron loosely holds his shoulder, the media see it as a definite penalty.
But when Moses has his shirt grabbed for a penalty, the media see it as a dive?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 0:14:14 GMT
He fucking dived no question about it.
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Post by Billybigbollox on Feb 12, 2015 0:15:49 GMT
Diving cunt.
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Post by generationex on Feb 12, 2015 0:22:43 GMT
There was contact, but it didnt cause the player to go to the ground.
I suppose the rule is that whether a player goes to the ground is irrelevant - but it proves you should always go down when touched (like the old pros say).
It's bullshit but if you don't fall you make it easier for the ref to ignore. If you're a big player at a big club you're almost certain to get them.
Geoff was foolish but I think he panicked once he realised he'd pussyfooted about rather than bang it out.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 12, 2015 0:28:28 GMT
Simple...... One team is Stoke City....and the other is Man City, it really is that simple!!!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 12, 2015 0:33:52 GMT
Why when Silva goes down (collapsing from the feet) when Cameron loosely holds his shoulder, the media see it as a definite penalty. But when Moses has his shirt grabbed for a penalty, the media see it as a dive? I thought Silva was much more dramatic in his fall than Moses, too. No mention of "cheating" this time, either. How strange!
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Feb 12, 2015 0:34:57 GMT
It's a modern penalty.
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Post by starkerz14 on Feb 12, 2015 0:38:12 GMT
Thought the penalty we won through Bo at Everton was very similar so can't complain really!
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Post by apb1 on Feb 12, 2015 0:39:49 GMT
Silva grabbed Cameron before the reverse happened. Cameron didn't dive, and we paid.
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Post by ukcstokie on Feb 12, 2015 0:50:58 GMT
Thought the penalty we won through Bo at Everton was very similar so can't complain really! Probably not. So why do the media see it so differently?
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Post by starkerz14 on Feb 12, 2015 0:52:43 GMT
Thought the penalty we won through Bo at Everton was very similar so can't complain really! Probably not. So why do the media see it so differently? It's the media, they are only JUST starting to like us...
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 12, 2015 1:44:14 GMT
Dive or no dive, Silva shouldn't have even had the chance to win the penalty.
That has to go down as the worst, most nambi pambi tackle I've ever seen.
Cameron is simply awful. A fine athlete but a poor footballer and shockingly bad defender.
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Post by mailman44 on Feb 12, 2015 2:08:58 GMT
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 12, 2015 2:23:51 GMT
All this he was touched so is entitled to go Down is a load of fucking bollocks,soft penalties for soft players,man up and get on with it you bunch of soft girls blouses.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 3:00:58 GMT
Why when Silva goes down (collapsing from the feet) when Cameron loosely holds his shoulder, the media see it as a definite penalty. But when Moses has his shirt grabbed for a penalty, the media see it as a dive? A good question .....Phil Thompson on Sky Sports was almost apoplexyic about it ! ....but he did concede we should have had a first half penalty
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Post by lawrieleslie on Feb 12, 2015 7:09:55 GMT
Don't forget Alan Shearer, the virtuoso of all footballing opinion, says that if you are touched in the penalty box "you are entitle to go down". Therefore there can be no arguement whatsoever.
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Feb 12, 2015 7:12:09 GMT
It appears to be creeping into game in recent months as well with Moses and Diouf happy to make a meal of nothing challenges.
I fucking hate it. Don't want to see it from Stoke players.
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Post by 2004 on Feb 12, 2015 7:18:18 GMT
Blatant dive
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 12, 2015 7:24:24 GMT
Dive or no dive, Silva shouldn't have even had the chance to win the penalty. That has to go down as the worst, most nambi pambi tackle I've ever seen. Cameron is simply awful. A fine athlete but a poor footballer and shockingly bad defender. I was trying to stay clear of this subject given the positives I was trying to draw from the performance but he was bloody awful wasn't he? The bloke is a defensive liability.
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Post by tuum on Feb 12, 2015 7:28:25 GMT
It appears to be creeping into game in recent months as well with Moses and Diouf happy to make a meal of nothing challenges. I fucking hate it. Don't want to see it from Stoke players. + Bardsley. It is creeping more and more into our team. We cannot complain when it goes against us. Well we can but that would be hypocritical. Silva's was not a penalty but Cam stuck a hand on his shoulder. The ref would have seen that and combined with the theatrics from Silva decided that contact was sufficient to award the penalty. It was the wrong decision - the ref was conned. Diouf's was more difficult. Did the subtle nudge knock him off balance or did Diouf decide to play on it? One thing is for sure. If the Man City defender had put his arm on Diouf's shoulder then he would certainly have gone down and given the ref the same decision to make. That, unfortunately, is how Diouf (& most others these days) plays the game and Hughes seems happy for his team to do so.
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 12, 2015 7:31:19 GMT
Don't forget Alan Shearer, the virtuoso of all footballing opinion, says that if you are touched in the penalty box "you are entitle to go down". Therefore there can be no arguement whatsoever. and shearer, if I'm not mistaken, isn't Spanish ...
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Feb 12, 2015 7:32:52 GMT
Dive or no dive, Silva shouldn't have even had the chance to win the penalty. That has to go down as the worst, most nambi pambi tackle I've ever seen. Cameron is simply awful. A fine athlete but a poor footballer and shockingly bad defender. I've always thought people were overly harsh on him and he wasn't actually that bad. His performance last night was absolutely terrible, though. It just goes to show how desperate we are for a right back. I really don't think Bardsley is much better, if at all. Wilson at right back is surely an option?
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 12, 2015 7:52:45 GMT
Dive or no dive, Silva shouldn't have even had the chance to win the penalty. That has to go down as the worst, most nambi pambi tackle I've ever seen. Cameron is simply awful. A fine athlete but a poor footballer and shockingly bad defender. I've always thought people were overly harsh on him and he wasn't actually that bad. His performance last night was absolutely terrible, though. It just goes to show how desperate we are for a right back. I really don't think Bardsley is much better, if at all. Wilson at right back is surely an option? I have seen nothing to suggest Bardlsley is any better than Geoff and one of the worst players last night was Whelan.
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Post by Bagwash on Feb 12, 2015 7:58:24 GMT
Don't forget Alan Shearer, the virtuoso of all footballing opinion, says that if you are touched in the penalty box "you are entitle to go down". Therefore there can be no arguement whatsoever. That surprised me when Shearer said that because he didn't have a reputation as a diver and seemed to give it out as well as take it and always tried to stay on his feet. As has been said the 'modern penalty' is a form of cheating and even though it no doubt will be to our disadvantage I hope our management team don't adopt this approach.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 12, 2015 8:01:15 GMT
Dive or no dive, Silva shouldn't have even had the chance to win the penalty. That has to go down as the worst, most nambi pambi tackle I've ever seen. Cameron is simply awful. A fine athlete but a poor footballer and shockingly bad defender. I was trying to stay clear of this subject given the positives I was trying to draw from the performance but he was bloody awful wasn't he? The bloke is a defensive liability. Too bad for words is my conclusion on a night when, despite what is a heavy defeat, there were lots of positives. Sadly, Cameron's awful performance from start to finish, wasn't one of them.
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Post by Northy on Feb 12, 2015 8:07:38 GMT
a blatant dive, nothing else, the media love him though so won't say much
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 12, 2015 8:18:40 GMT
Silva outfoxed Cameron and did him like a dinner. He made the most of it but if a Stoke player took advantage like that we wouldn't complain.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 8:49:24 GMT
Dive or no dive, Silva shouldn't have even had the chance to win the penalty. That has to go down as the worst, most nambi pambi tackle I've ever seen. Cameron is simply awful. A fine athlete but a poor footballer and shockingly bad defender. Everything about his defending shows he's really a midfield player.He has no discipline positionally,prone to rushing out to close down in midfield leaving space in behind him for teams to exploit. We need a new right back in the summer because Bardsley isn't the answer either. Good fullbacks are vital in the modern game if you want to succeed
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Post by lawrieleslie on Feb 12, 2015 10:30:50 GMT
There appears to be little will to eradicate this horrible disease in our game. From the FA to managers and club owners there seems to be nothing but apathy. Because we, Stoke City, try and make a stand, all it appears to achieve is to draw massive attention to us whenever there is a perception that one of our players has dived. This was very stark when Victor was awarded a penalty against Swanlake City. He was blatantly held back by his shirt, went to ground and the rest is a media witch hunt despite unequivocable picture evidence. That didn't matter, a Stoke player was wrongly accused of cheating and, despite real cheats never being exposed, Victor was pilloried like he was the first ever miscreant. It's complete bollox and you wouldn't really blame Les if he started to encourage going down under the slightest of touches. One day a team will be relegated on the last day of the season because a player dived to win a penalty. That would be the ultimate injustice IMO.
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Post by retired1 on Feb 12, 2015 10:35:33 GMT
Don't forget Alan Shearer, the virtuoso of all footballing opinion, says that if you are touched in the penalty box "you are entitle to go down". Therefore there can be no arguement whatsoever. I told my Mrs that but she won't enter any penalty box these days even in the local park.
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