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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 12:28:45 GMT
He'd be better off doing the basics right. Nothing more. Flashes of brilliance would then be the icing on the cake.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 12:34:33 GMT
He'd be better off doing the basics right. Nothing more. Flashes of brilliance would then be the icing on the cake. Exactly. Let's face it he's no Bojan although I reckon he thinks he's in that class
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Post by jbstokie on Feb 1, 2015 12:44:21 GMT
Its amazing how people see him throwing his arms in the air and somehow think that makes him lazy. He puts far more work in defensively than Moses but because he doesn't get as visibly frustrated nobody cares.
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Post by kurt on Feb 1, 2015 12:45:14 GMT
We were worse when he went off yesterday. Definitely.
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Post by huddy on Feb 1, 2015 12:46:29 GMT
I'm sure the reason we were chasing Lennon was to replace him.Cant see him being around for long.I was near the bench yesterday and Hughes was slaughtering him
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 1, 2015 12:46:43 GMT
I like Arnie but thought he offered nothing going forward yesterday.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Feb 1, 2015 12:47:08 GMT
Hes worth his place in the team at the moment but wouldnt be surprised if we find an upgrade in the summer. Just not enough end product
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Post by redwhite on Feb 1, 2015 12:55:33 GMT
I find it hard to recall when he last put in a proper "shift" against a premiership team. Utter bollocks, he's one of the hardest working members of the team. Nobody sprints back after the ball with his desire and success. I guess you're another one of those posters who decides that Arnie looks like he should be lazy and flash and ignores everything he actually does on the pitch.
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Post by jeycov on Feb 1, 2015 12:57:44 GMT
He's better playing on the right imo
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Post by riponstokie on Feb 1, 2015 12:59:56 GMT
The issue with Arnie is when he's good (not nearly often enough)he is really good but when he's off it he's absolutely shockingly bad (far too often). For me he needs to sort his head out. It's all about mind set and Arnie's mind set needs a lot of work. His body language is so negative a lot of the time and that does not help him, the team and thoroughly pisses the fans off. He simply is not good enough or consistent enough and to mention Arnie in the same breath or context as Ricardo Fuller is just plain ridiculous. Light years between them.
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Post by upthefud on Feb 1, 2015 13:00:32 GMT
He's done nothing all season and he still gets his name chanted. He may show "glimpses" but glimpses of class in a shocking season aren't enough.
More people selected him in their pre game teams than Walters which was off. I genuinely think people have bent over so far backwards for him that they can't now admit that he's not up to it.
He divides the fan base and must annoy teams mates when he let's his head drop.
Lennon please Sparky.
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Post by MuddyWoody on Feb 1, 2015 13:07:05 GMT
I personally think the complete opposite with regards to his attitude. He gets frustrated and starts sulking every time he makes a mistake because he wants to do well for the club. More often than not, when he does lose the ball, he works his bollocks off to win it back. Just needs to keep it simple and not try too hard on the ball. This is exactly my impression of the man. How some read his body language to be that of someone who doesn't care is beyond me. If Arnie has a problem it's that he gets too frustrated with himself when he makes a mistake. Granted his shooting is shite and is the one area that he still needs to improve, however his defensive work rate his improved enormously since he arrived.
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Post by upthefud on Feb 1, 2015 13:28:17 GMT
I personally think the complete opposite with regards to his attitude. He gets frustrated and starts sulking every time he makes a mistake because he wants to do well for the club. More often than not, when he does lose the ball, he works his bollocks off to win it back. Just needs to keep it simple and not try too hard on the ball. This is exactly my impression of the man. How some read his body language to be that of someone who doesn't care is beyond me. If Arnie has a problem it's that he gets too frustrated with himself when he makes a mistake. Granted his shooting is shite and is the one area that he still needs to improve, however his defensive work rate his improved enormously since he arrived. So are you saying that Arnie cares more and tries harder than say Walters or Whelan, based on body language?
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Post by huddy on Feb 1, 2015 13:29:47 GMT
He does everything slowly.yesterday he had four or five chances to put early crosses in. No. We have to suffer the slowest step over ever or the wait for the defender to bump off him followed by the loss of the ball.The dug out were going mad with him.
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Feb 1, 2015 13:46:30 GMT
Can't quite make my mind up on Arnie. Last season his stopping and appealing to the ref instead of playing to the whistle would piss me off and he occasionally seemed to try the very difficult in stupid areas of the pitch, doing high risk stuff for low reward. Then he'd go and confound me by putting in 3 or 4 top quality final balls and show you that he has the ability.
This season he is putting in loads of effort and doing less of the mardy stuff but the killer balls have been much rarer - seeing as he is almost zero goal threat he needs to be contributing assists. In fairness there were several occasions yesterday when he beat Hill and looked up to find no-one there to aim the early cross at and had to hold it up for a wee while.
On average he's probably just a fairly middle of the road wide man for the prem - he's probably found his level with us.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 1, 2015 13:48:48 GMT
Love him or hate him what does he really offer us? Yesterday very little again and I find it hard to recall when he last put in a proper "shift" against a premiership team. His body language just gives me the impression that he just does not give a fcuk and some of his performances for a player on probably in excess of £20k a week are just not good enough. Its true that he does have some flashes of brilliance but for me give me someone who will at least look as if they give a fcuk. Someone just give me a clue, what does he offer us? You clearly have the memory of a goldfish.
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Feb 1, 2015 13:49:42 GMT
Does so much work defensively, honestly the bloke could do a job at full back! Really like Arnie Thank fuck you aren't the manager, full back hahaha.
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Post by ukcstokie on Feb 1, 2015 13:51:51 GMT
This thread demonstrates the Arnie situation perfectly.
Most can see what Arnie brings to the team. A few just seem to hate him. It doesn't matter what he does decent they just ignore it.
Sad that people can't actually judge our players by what they do on the pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 13:54:37 GMT
Does so much work defensively, honestly the bloke could do a job at full back! Really like Arnie Thank fuck you aren't the manager, full back hahaha. It was a joke I was just highlighting he does his defensive duties!
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Post by stokiedan17 on Feb 1, 2015 14:04:03 GMT
I think his body language indicates that he knows what he is doing wrong, not that he doesn't care. 99% of what he currently does is wrong, borders on pathetic really, for example "that" shot in the second half, WTF was he thinking, 20 yards wide/over whatever you want to call it. He offers very little as an attacking player and I can't recall the last time he actually went past a player. I honestly thought he'd excel against Clint Hill yesterday but yet again he failed miserably. Correct me if I'm wrong but in the latter parts of the second half yesterday he was actually milking undeserved praise from the front rows of block31 and failed to concentrate enough to realise he'd let his man go bombing on. In his current form he should be nowhere near the starting eleven. I was one of those in the front rows of block 31 supporting our player. I don't see the point in slating our player on the pitch when you can see his head has dropped a bit and he's getting frustrated. Supporting him, shouting his name can do wonders for a player like that. Players like arnie thrive on the crowd cheering for him
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Post by wearestoke80 on Feb 1, 2015 14:07:00 GMT
He showed glimpses yesterday but nothing special
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Post by ukcstokie on Feb 1, 2015 14:09:39 GMT
Maybe this thread should be renamed: from "Arnie, The full picture", to "Arnie, my distorted view"?
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Post by lordb on Feb 1, 2015 14:16:00 GMT
He didn't have a good game yesterday,but then most of the side were below par I thought. His work rate is fine but his decision making isn't. Great first touch,he can beat a man,his passing,shooting and delivery can be all very good but too often he spoils his own good play with a poor shot or final ball.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Feb 1, 2015 14:19:29 GMT
I can fully relate to Arnie when he is working on the pitch... He always wants to work hard and be the best and gets irritatd with himself when something doesn't go to plan, heart on sleeve kinda guy!
Some people don't like him, that's okay, we don't all share the same opinions...
I really like the Guy (apart from the shared Germanic background) and people who slate me for doing so can shove it up where the sun don't shine for all I care!
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Feb 1, 2015 14:24:22 GMT
Thank fuck you aren't the manager, full back hahaha. It was a joke I was just highlighting he does his defensive duties! I actually thought it could be an idea. He certainly offers much more defensively than offensively right now.
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Post by upthefud on Feb 1, 2015 14:48:01 GMT
This thread demonstrates the Arnie situation perfectly. Most can see what Arnie brings to the team. A few just seem to hate him. It doesn't matter what he does decent they just ignore it. Sad that people can't actually judge our players by what they do on the pitch. It's absolutely idiotic that you think because others have a different opinion to you, it's merely because we don't like him. I don't know the bloke, he could give up his Tuesday afternoons to help injured animals for all we know. I judge his performances on the pitch which, sorry to say, simply aren't good enough. How many PL goals and assists this season? If he's not scoring or assisting and he's moping around, please feel free to enlighten me as to what he brings...
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Feb 1, 2015 15:24:08 GMT
He is certainly an enigma and I change my opinion of him on a regular basis , think he has been decent recently yesterday was his worst game for a while , for a bloke with so much talent and strength he seems to lack confidence at times and his end product is a big issue but he does have games where we he is really effective , I think a shrink is needed sometimes to get him to believe in himself
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Post by kronkie on Feb 1, 2015 15:50:57 GMT
OK ukcstokie I think I see where you are coming from but can you just answer the original question, WHAT DOES HE OFFER US IN YOUR OPINION?
We all have our own different views, your aware of mine, please enlighten me.
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Post by pottersrule on Feb 1, 2015 15:51:09 GMT
There are a lot of idiots who don't read body language well in stoke apparently... Who cares if he walks a bit funny? He worked hard again. Some people don't see that. If anything, he tries too hard, and isn't relaxed enough when he has the ball in the final third. That's why he scores every shot in the warm up, but in the game he skies them 20 yards over the bar. I find Arnie frustrating a lot of the time,but I think you are right.His confidence in front of goal is shot. And I think his histrionics are a reaction to his own frustrations.He really is trying,and his defensive work has improved massively. Needs to calm down in front of goal and hopefully net one.
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Post by ukcstokie on Feb 1, 2015 17:02:25 GMT
This thread demonstrates the Arnie situation perfectly. Most can see what Arnie brings to the team. A few just seem to hate him. It doesn't matter what he does decent they just ignore it. Sad that people can't actually judge our players by what they do on the pitch. It's absolutely idiotic that you think because others have a different opinion to you, it's merely because we don't like him. I don't know the bloke, he could give up his Tuesday afternoons to help injured animals for all we know. I judge his performances on the pitch which, sorry to say, simply aren't good enough. How many PL goals and assists this season? If he's not scoring or assisting and he's moping around, please feel free to enlighten me as to what he brings... I can see when he plays well. I can see when he's been rubbish. Given that you stated it was a 7 yard pass for SJW's goal against Rochdale the other evening - it demonstrates that even when he does something good you can't recognise it because of your view of him.
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