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Post by Billybigbollox on Dec 29, 2014 14:11:07 GMT
To be honest the "tony Pulis is your only hope" was pretty hilarious in the south stand yesterday Yes it was Salop. :-)
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 29, 2014 14:16:07 GMT
I think we should focus on the man in charge right now. I mean some of you bastards will end up following the ex-manager to somewhere mental, lets say Belgium, on one of the biggest days in our history if you're not careful!
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Post by tazi on Dec 29, 2014 14:21:27 GMT
So when you say we were favourite for relegation you Didn't actually mean as these odds were compiled by bookmakers but what you meant was that it was the media who portrayed us as the favourite, or as you say the pundits?. The evidence I can get easily is from pundits. But they were also reflected in bookies odds at that time. But I've no idea how to prove that. The point is, when Hughes arrived, the general view was he was taking on a team destined for a relegation battle with many folk predicting actual relegation. That was the legacy left by Pulis. But help me out here; your reason for seeking clarification is what exactly? In response to the latter part of this post the reason for my seeking clarification is because in one of your earlier posts you said we were favourite for relegation. However I feel better that it wasn't in actual fact the bookmakers who had us as favourite to go down because they're pretty shrewd when coming to compiling odds and obviously their odds reflect something a whole lot different than those within the press or our so called knowledgable footballing pundits.
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Post by tazi on Dec 29, 2014 14:23:21 GMT
I think we should focus on the man in charge right now. I mean some of you bastards will end up following the ex-manager to somewhere mental, lets say Belgium, on one of the biggest days in our history if you're not careful! I've still never got to know who on that trip was the most perverted.
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Post by RAF on Dec 29, 2014 14:24:07 GMT
The evidence I can get easily is from pundits. But they were also reflected in bookies odds at that time. But I've no idea how to prove that. The point is, when Hughes arrived, the general view was he was taking on a team destined for a relegation battle with many folk predicting actual relegation. That was the legacy left by Pulis. But help me out here; your reason for seeking clarification is what exactly? In response to the latter part of this post the reason for my seeking clarification is because in one of your earlier posts you said we were favourite for relegation. However I feel better that it wasn't in actual fact the bookmakers who had us as favourite to go down because they're pretty shrewd when coming to compiling odds and obviously their odds reflect something a whole lot different than those within the press or our so called knowledgable footballing pundits. These would be the same pundits you used to jizz over any time they spoke well of Pulis as some kind of proof that you were right about him all along you mean? So are they to be believed or not, you can't have it both ways? H
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Post by tazi on Dec 29, 2014 14:26:50 GMT
Just wanted it clarified that the tag of favourite to go down wasn't of that from a bookmaker.
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Post by RAF on Dec 29, 2014 14:26:55 GMT
I think we should focus on the man in charge right now. I mean some of you bastards will end up following the ex-manager to somewhere mental, lets say Belgium, on one of the biggest days in our history if you're not careful! ;) Why what happened on that day that made it one of the biggest days in our history then? H
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 29, 2014 14:30:57 GMT
I think we should focus on the man in charge right now. I mean some of you bastards will end up following the ex-manager to somewhere mental, lets say Belgium, on one of the biggest days in our history if you're not careful! Why what happened on that day that made it one of the biggest days in our history then? H We could have been promoted back to the top league after nigh on a quarter of a century and for a significant portion of the game that day we were promoted. Fairly big day for a spot of Belgian Bumming.
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Post by tazi on Dec 29, 2014 14:31:47 GMT
I'd just like to know the most gory details as to who got the most perverted with Johan.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 29, 2014 14:35:01 GMT
Why what happened on that day that made it one of the biggest days in our history then? H We could have been promoted back to the top league after nigh on a quarter of a century and for a significant portion of the game that day we were promoted. Fairly big day for a spot of Belgian Bumming. Eh? Have I missed something?
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 29, 2014 14:36:14 GMT
The evidence I can get easily is from pundits. But they were also reflected in bookies odds at that time. But I've no idea how to prove that. The point is, when Hughes arrived, the general view was he was taking on a team destined for a relegation battle with many folk predicting actual relegation. That was the legacy left by Pulis. But help me out here; your reason for seeking clarification is what exactly? In response to the latter part of this post the reason for my seeking clarification is because in one of your earlier posts you said we were favourite for relegation. However I feel better that it wasn't in actual fact the bookmakers who had us as favourite to go down because they're pretty shrewd when coming to compiling odds and obviously their odds reflect something a whole lot different than those within the press or our so called knowledgable footballing pundits. Ok - try this link which looks at the bookies "prime contenders" for relegation. As I said, the pundits and bookies saw us as relegation fodder when Hughes arrived. You got a different view?
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 29, 2014 14:36:41 GMT
So when you say we were favourite for relegation you Didn't actually mean as these odds were compiled by bookmakers but what you meant was that it was the media who portrayed us as the favourite, or as you say the pundits?. The evidence I can get easily is from pundits. But they were also reflected in bookies odds at that time. But I've no idea how to prove that. The point is, when Hughes arrived, the general view was he was taking on a team destined for a relegation battle with many folk predicting actual relegation. That was the legacy left by Pulis. But help me out here; your reason for seeking clarification is what exactly? But pre-season predictions by pundits or bookies really don't mean much do they ? The pundits were nearly all predicting that Southampton would really struggle this season, and look how accurate that has turned out to be. Teams very often do better, or worse, than the pre-season predictions. None of us can ever know what would have happened if TP had stayed, so it's a totally irresolvable argument. Much better in my just view to celebrate what TP achieved, and to celebrate what his successor has and is achieving, or, as Nello would say, just decide to be happy and enjoy watching Stoke City in the Premier League, and remember that it might not last forever.
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Post by KyleLightbulb on Dec 29, 2014 14:41:31 GMT
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Post by tazi on Dec 29, 2014 14:42:44 GMT
In response to the latter part of this post the reason for my seeking clarification is because in one of your earlier posts you said we were favourite for relegation. However I feel better that it wasn't in actual fact the bookmakers who had us as favourite to go down because they're pretty shrewd when coming to compiling odds and obviously their odds reflect something a whole lot different than those within the press or our so called knowledgable footballing pundits. Ok - try this link which looks at the bookies "prime contenders" for relegation. As I said, the pundits and bookies saw us as relegation fodder when Hughes arrived. You got a different view? That link isn't a bookmaker giving odds, infact that isn't a bookmaker at all. Edit - So now you've changed it from 'relegation favourite' to 'relegation fodder'. Hope you can remember where those goal posts are in order to put them away safely before it goes dark.
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Post by mrred on Dec 29, 2014 14:43:19 GMT
I think it's funny that he's suddenly a 'rent a manager' every time a club gets in the shit.
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Post by tazi on Dec 29, 2014 14:44:39 GMT
So not only isn't that a bookmaker then but it doesn't even make us as the favourite for relegation. Cheers.
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Post by Davef on Dec 29, 2014 14:48:34 GMT
It didn't need a bookmaker to tell me that we would've faced a long season.
We won 3 of the last 19 games in 2012/13, lost 11, scored 14, conceded 31, had a disillusioned dressing room, a manager who'd ran out of ideas and a board who weren't prepared to indulge him anymore.
We were heading in one direction.
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Post by thestatusquo on Dec 29, 2014 14:51:48 GMT
Yep. But they arnt the only owners in the football league that have pumped millions into a club. Many owners h e done it and failed due to appointimg the wrong manager. Coates got a diamond in pulis. I think that's right. I am very glad that Peter Coates seems to be good at picking managers, and ignoring those who opposed his choice at the time. Pulis' return was a brilliant appointment, and so was Mark Hughes, despite both being opposed by many fans (including me in the first case). I am strongly pro-Pulis; strongly pro-Hughes; strongly pro-Stoke City and strongly pro-Peter Coates. What's not to like ? I wish TP well wherever he goes, except when he plays Stoke. For every Lou and TP there's been an Alan Ball and a Chic Bates though Malcolm. Lets not forget if Burley had actually turned up at the press conference TP probably wouldn't have managed here.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 29, 2014 14:53:28 GMT
It didn't need a bookmaker to tell me that we would've faced a long season. We won 3 of the last 19 games in 2012/13, lost 11, scored 14, conceded 31, had a disillusioned dressing room, a manager who'd ran out of ideas and a board who weren't prepared to indulge him anymore. We were heading in one direction. You're forgetting the dossier....
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 29, 2014 14:55:59 GMT
Legacy.
Three of our four best players yesterday
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 29, 2014 14:57:57 GMT
Yeah, but 2 of the 3 clubs with shorter odds actually survived, as we did comfortably, so it all means nothing. Also, they were not odds calculated assuming TP as manager. In fact the accompanying text describes his sacking as "harsh" and implies that his replacement by MH is one of the reasons for giving us short odds on relegation, so it doesn't really help an anti-TP case. Just demonstrates that they didn't know what they were talking about. But, as I said above, it's all a totally irresolvable argument. No way of ever knowing what would have happened if he had stayed.
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Post by RAF on Dec 29, 2014 14:59:38 GMT
Why what happened on that day that made it one of the biggest days in our history then? H We could have been promoted back to the top league after nigh on a quarter of a century and for a significant portion of the game that day we were promoted. Fairly big day for a spot of Belgian Bumming. I remember the day very well, the game that most Stokies couldn't go to and had to listen to on the Internet like we did as there were only a few hundred tickets given to us. It turned out to be another massive dose of Pulis disappointment. But hey we were promoted for a significant portion of the game so I'm sure it gave you and your mates in your London pub something to pontificate about! H :)
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 29, 2014 15:02:11 GMT
We could have been promoted back to the top league after nigh on a quarter of a century and for a significant portion of the game that day we were promoted. Fairly big day for a spot of Belgian Bumming. I remember the day very well, the game that most Stokies couldn't go to and had to listen to on the Internet like we did as there were only a few hundred tickets given to us. It turned out to be another massive dose of Pulis disappointment. But hey we were promoted for a significant portion of the game so I'm sure it gave you and your mates in your London pub something to pontificate about! H What was it you were doing in Belgium again?
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 29, 2014 15:08:22 GMT
I think that's right. I am very glad that Peter Coates seems to be good at picking managers, and ignoring those who opposed his choice at the time. Pulis' return was a brilliant appointment, and so was Mark Hughes, despite both being opposed by many fans (including me in the first case). I am strongly pro-Pulis; strongly pro-Hughes; strongly pro-Stoke City and strongly pro-Peter Coates. What's not to like ? I wish TP well wherever he goes, except when he plays Stoke. For every Lou and TP there's been an Alan Ball and a Chic Bates though Malcolm. Lets not forget if Burley had actually turned up at the press conference TP probably wouldn't have managed here. True enough. Maybe PC is just getting better at it. I hope he doesn't have to test out his skills again in the near future ! My main point is that argument in football about what would have happened if............. is always irresolvable. TP did a brilliant job for us in my opinion, and then went on to win the Premier League Manager of the season elsewhere, which was great for him, whilst his successor was taking us to our highest PL finishing position, which was great for him, and us - so let's just celebrate it all and not have arguments about history which can never be proved either way.
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Post by RAF on Dec 29, 2014 15:08:26 GMT
I remember the day very well, the game that most Stokies couldn't go to and had to listen to on the Internet like we did as there were only a few hundred tickets given to us. It turned out to be another massive dose of Pulis disappointment. But hey we were promoted for a significant portion of the game so I'm sure it gave you and your mates in your London pub something to pontificate about! H :) What was it you were doing in Belgium again? :) Sitting in the square, with OS, Winger, Norwich Stokie, Andy Leeds, Tone, Jack and Jacks mate having a few beers and listening to the Stoke game. You know the internet is exactly the same in Belgium, it lets you play the same things. No different to thousands of other Stokies who were listening at home with a few tinnies. And after the huge dollop of disappointment dished out to us, we went to watch Bossies team retain their league status. H
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 29, 2014 15:11:28 GMT
What was it you were doing in Belgium again? Sitting in the square, with OS, Winger, Norwich Stokie, Andy Leeds, Tone, Jack and Jacks mate having a few beers and listening to the Stoke game. You know the internet is exactly the same in Belgium, it lets you play the same things. No different to thousands of other Stokies who were listening at home with a few tinnies. And after the huge dollop of disappointment dished out to us, we went to watch Bossies team retain their league status. H So you travelled 500 miles with your passport to pay homage to a bloke who was manager of our club for less than 12 months and delivered a non-descript season. Interesting that.
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Post by RAF on Dec 29, 2014 15:15:54 GMT
Sitting in the square, with OS, Winger, Norwich Stokie, Andy Leeds, Tone, Jack and Jacks mate having a few beers and listening to the Stoke game. You know the internet is exactly the same in Belgium, it lets you play the same things. No different to thousands of other Stokies who were listening at home with a few tinnies. And after the huge dollop of disappointment dished out to us, we went to watch Bossies team retain their league status. H So you travelled 500 miles with your passport to pay homage to a bloke who was manager of our club for less than 12 months and delivered a non-descript season. Interesting that. Well I wouldn't have got in without my passport would I you daft twat? He kept us up when Pulis left us in the shit,I just wanted to thank him. What's wrong with that? H
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Post by tazi on Dec 29, 2014 15:17:23 GMT
I remember the day very well, the game that most Stokies couldn't go to and had to listen to on the Internet like we did as there were only a few hundred tickets given to us. It turned out to be another massive dose of Pulis disappointment. But hey we were promoted for a significant portion of the game so I'm sure it gave you and your mates in your London pub something to pontificate about! H What was it you were doing in Belgium again? Fighting for the honour in having the best chocolate phallic.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 29, 2014 15:17:32 GMT
So you travelled 500 miles with your passport to pay homage to a bloke who was manager of our club for less than 12 months and delivered a non-descript season. Interesting that. Well I wouldn't have got in without my passport would I you daft twat? He kept us up when Pulis left us in the shit,I just wanted to thank him. What's wrong with that? H You are priceless
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Post by thestatusquo on Dec 29, 2014 15:27:03 GMT
For every Lou and TP there's been an Alan Ball and a Chic Bates though Malcolm. Lets not forget if Burley had actually turned up at the press conference TP probably wouldn't have managed here. True enough. Maybe PC is just getting better at it. I hope he doesn't have to test out his skills again in the near future ! My main point is that argument in football about what would have happened if............. is always irresolvable. TP did a brilliant job for us in my opinion, and then went on to win the Premier League Manager of the season elsewhere, which was great for him, whilst his successor was taking us to our highest PL finishing position, which was great for him, and us - so let's just celebrate it all and not have arguments about history which can never be proved either way. Sometimes you just get lucky and I guess that's what happened here. A number of situations came together and we're back in the prem. Whilst I'm grateful for him getting us back into the top flight, Pulis's incumbency has left me with a small degree of personal sadness. I bought 3 seats in the Boothen for me and my 2 lads in the hope as they get older and develop lives of their own we would still have something that would keep bringing us together but towards the end of the binary season my youngest, who was only 11 at the time, the boredom was so bad that he told me he really didn't want to go anymore and I felt cruel subjecting him to it. Despite many attempts to get him to come back he's got out of the habit and found other things to do as he now prefers to play rather than watch. He does go to the odd game when he and his mates can get seats together (!). Despite all the good things I can't bring myself to forgive TP for that.
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