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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Dec 19, 2014 10:58:43 GMT
People consistently insult him by undervaluing him, 10m? Please, he's worth at least double that in this market. He's only worth what someone is prepared to pay for him, regardless of what we think. Cahill only went for 7 mill and is more highly thought of. H He's more highly thought of now, but wasn't much more highly thought of when he went to Chelsea. His worth to us is more than 10 or even 15 million, so if others aren't prepared to agree with that, they don't get him!
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Post by RAF on Dec 19, 2014 11:03:48 GMT
He's only worth what someone is prepared to pay for him, regardless of what we think. Cahill only went for 7 mill and is more highly thought of. H He's more highly thought of now, but wasn't much more highly thought of when he went to Chelsea. His worth to us is more than 10 or even 15 million, so if others aren't prepared to agree with that, they don't get him! Well Cahill had been with the England set up since 2007, so that kind of says he was, but I'm not going to get into a pissing contest about it, I've always rated Ryan over him anyway. If Ryan wants a move, there is nothing we can do, and it could well be for a price we don't really think is right either. H
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 19, 2014 11:04:13 GMT
Roma can lick the cheese from the underside of my bell.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 19, 2014 11:10:04 GMT
He's only worth what someone is prepared to pay for him, regardless of what we think. Cahill only went for 7 mill and is more highly thought of. H Wasn't Cahill's contract coming to an end though? It's imperative we keep Ryan. Him & Muniesa are the future at the heart of the defence, I'm convinced on it. Yeah - Cahill's contract was 6 months from running down and he wasn't going to re-sign so Bolton had a gun to their heads. Shawcross is contracted until 2018 so we can ask top dollar. With that kind of contract, I think £15m is a starting point for a vastly experienced English defender in his peak years who is still improving I think there's only 2or 3 clubs that'd turn his head and I think it's very unlikely one of them will come in for him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 11:13:23 GMT
Can't see us selling him In January to be quite honest. It's be lunacy!
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 19, 2014 11:18:34 GMT
Suppose it's possible he's got a clause letting him speak to teams that offer £Xm?
He did sign a whopping 5 and a half year deal last year - and there's got to be a chance that he wouldn't commit his best years to us without one?
Don't think he'd want to leave in the January of a season though as after being here for 7years, if he did leave, he'd probably be mindful of leaving on good terms.
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Post by jayroberts92 on Dec 19, 2014 11:20:02 GMT
I honestly can't see anyone coming in for him, as good as he is off the ball, the big teams are looking for defenders who bring the ball out of defence. Then again Liverpool did spend 20 million on Lovern so you never know. i'd take 10+ for him as long as we could replace him
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Post by tazi on Dec 19, 2014 11:25:03 GMT
Well if he does go it'll be fcuking meltdown.
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Post by jrstokie on Dec 19, 2014 11:25:23 GMT
He deserves a crack at the big time IMO. We couldn't or shouldn't stand in his way.... ....but is be gutted if Ryan left and think we'd struggle
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Post by apb1 on Dec 19, 2014 11:26:16 GMT
How much was Lovren? 20 mill?
Has to be at least 15 on that basis
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Post by RAF on Dec 19, 2014 11:36:26 GMT
I wouldn't let him go for less than 18 mill, but it doesn't matter what I think does it?
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Post by stokiesteve on Dec 19, 2014 11:48:07 GMT
Roma can lick the cheese from the underside of my bell. I'm sure that will be the solution to their defensive worries!!
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Post by stokesaint1 on Dec 19, 2014 11:59:22 GMT
I honestly can't see anyone coming in for him, as good as he is off the ball, the big teams are looking for defenders who bring the ball out of defence. Then again Liverpool did spend 20 million on Lovern so you never know. i'd take 10+ for him as long as we could replace him Absolute madness. Not the words of a Stoke football supporter more those of an angler.
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Post by snoogle on Dec 19, 2014 12:16:24 GMT
Anyone who even considers selling Shawcross for whatever reason and whatever fee, should have a long hard look at themselves, because by saying it you are pretty much saying that you are ok with us going down, because that is without doubt what would happen!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 12:30:04 GMT
Anyone who even considers selling Shawcross for whatever reason and whatever fee, should have a long hard look at themselves, because by saying it you are pretty much saying that you are ok with us going down, because that is without doubt what would happen! 1) it isn't what would happen "without a doubt at all", that's a ludicrous bit of hyperbole on your part! 2) those that are saying it are largely doing so because that's the new transfer policy i.e. being self-sustainable which means selling players that we can make a good profit on (doesn't matter whether we like that policy or not as we don't make those decisions. likewise we also don't set the bar at minimum bid amounts. if the club receive an offer that we as fans think is too low then it won't matter for shit if Ryan wants to accept it) in other words, they're simply looking at real life and how football works rather than being a fantasist and thinking we can be self sustainable by selling on players we don't need like Brek Shea or WP and making maybe a mill or so here or there. instead of them taking a long hard look at themselves i suggest you join the rest of us in the real world where squads can't be added to unless money is generated from player sales. the fact is that we only have 2 players that we could currently get a really good price for and generate good money for at present; Begs and Ryan (Bojan is someone we could make a hell of a profit on but that wouldn't be for another season or so as at the moment he has only shown his class for a handful of games in the grand scheme of things and so is still in the "potential" bracket as far as most other clubs would be concerned...they'd need him to prove his form consistently for a longer period of time before they'd stump up a good amount). the posters considering letting him go aren't doing so because they want him to leave, it's simply that they obviously realise more about the reality of how transfers work than you do mate. personally i can't see it happening anyway...we have rumours about Ryan literally every single window and in reality we never actually receive any bids so the idea of the club captain with 5 years left on his contract going mid-season (when transfer fees are ludicrously hiked up anyway) is ridiculous.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 19, 2014 12:44:14 GMT
Sadly the only 'fantasy' element at play here is that which suggests a small provincial football club can be self-financing and stay in the Premier League. Selling Ryan would be an error of judgement on a par with the illustrious predecessors who thought getting rid of Stan Mathews was a bit of a plan!
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Post by nik80 on Dec 19, 2014 12:46:07 GMT
I think Ryan would be interested, perhaps not in January but why wouldn't he fancy a move to a team who's challenging for the Italian title? Hope to god there's no substance here but don't think I could begrudge him that sorta move sadly.
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Post by redwhite on Dec 19, 2014 12:51:05 GMT
Actually believe Ryan is better than Roma anyway. Serie A is in a serious decline. Serie A may not be what it used to be but Roma are a very good club. It would be a huge step up for him.
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Post by bazzaboy666 on Dec 19, 2014 12:57:16 GMT
Dosent strike me as the most cultured bloke (unlike myself) can't see him getting on with the viva Italian life style. Tapas marra?! He's even less cultured than you thought if he's expecting tapas in Italy. Hmmm has bazza had tapas in Italy? Yes.
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Post by werrington on Dec 19, 2014 12:59:46 GMT
It's a load of bollocks I reckon but one day soon one of our " Jewell's " will be sold either for 1, financial reasons as the club is self sufficient now ...2, the player wants it due to bigger club or wages
People need to get real that SCFC are not a major player and cannot stand in the way of player progression
That day will one day arrive
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 19, 2014 13:04:43 GMT
Hawksbee & Jacobs on Talkshite are doing a piece on Shawcross to Italy this afternoon as well.
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Post by Gods on Dec 19, 2014 13:05:54 GMT
I think Ryan would be interested, perhaps not in January but why wouldn't he fancy a move to a team who's challenging for the Italian title? Hope to god there's no substance here but don't think I could begrudge him that sorta move sadly. Indeed, it would be staggering if he weren't a teeny weeny bit curious at the very least.
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Post by Gods on Dec 19, 2014 13:12:16 GMT
He's even less cultured than you thought if he's expecting tapas in Italy. Hmmm has bazza had tapas in Italy? Yes. And I've had them in Leek but Spain is their spiritual home.
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Post by potterblade on Dec 19, 2014 13:24:55 GMT
Our defence would be shocking without Ryan. Surely the wise thing to do is start looking for a deputy like Butland is to Begovic. We need to recruit a decent CB whether this rumour is bollocks or not.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Dec 19, 2014 13:28:07 GMT
He won't be going and if he did we would stay up no problem,
no one will bid
we have this shite every other week
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Post by BuzzB on Dec 19, 2014 13:28:56 GMT
Hawksbee & Jacobs on Talkshite are doing a piece on Shawcross to Italy this afternoon as well. It was a good debate on Murrays' show this morning. 4 phone calls, a Shit fan, Spurs Liverpool fans all said they would take him in a heartbeat, the other call was Robin of P&g fame who reckons Ryan is too quiet!! Seems he is more highly regarded than some on here think.
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Post by spitshaw on Dec 19, 2014 13:53:37 GMT
Real question is in a 2 legged home and away tie who would be the better team, us or Roma?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 19, 2014 14:03:04 GMT
I find this link laughable tbh. Not for any quality of Shawcross reasons or for Roma wanting him, just about him wanting to go there.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Dec 19, 2014 14:03:14 GMT
Actually believe Ryan is better than Roma anyway. Serie A is in a serious decline. Serie A may not be what it used to be but Roma are a very good club. It would be a huge step up for him. Suppose there is that but i can't help in thinking that Serie A is behind the status of the Premier League other than playing for either one of the Milan clubs or Juventus. I totally agree that Roma are a big side but would it appeal to Ryan?.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Dec 19, 2014 14:05:14 GMT
I still find it staggering that after 7 years in the Premier League we've not been forced into selling a SINGLE ONE of our better players.
Is there another club that has been in the Premier League that long that can say that?
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