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Post by tazi on Oct 25, 2014 18:13:25 GMT
I hear what people are saying but surely we could at least look as though we can play a bit instead of looking so pedestrian.
It'll take 2 or 3 seasons to see us at out carpet footballing best. Really?.
Good lord what do they practice on in training.
We've got all this pace and supposed skill and yet struggle to make any decent chances, or at least not as many as youd expect given out so called skill in the team.
Just find it alarming that we look so poor.
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essexhammer
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Post by essexhammer on Oct 25, 2014 18:14:30 GMT
Beating the bin-dippers 3-1 a few weeks ago felt better than today if truth be told yeah, well, we beat citeh when people thought they were good. I've always quite liked City, a proper club with proper fans, but the scousers I've never liked - it started off when growing up in the 70's in Essex and half the school were Liverpool glory-hunters, plus I will never forgive them for the 2006 FA Cup final the cheating c*nts...
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Post by philm87 on Oct 25, 2014 18:15:12 GMT
1) Southampton have one of the best youth academies in the country. They produced the likes of Bale, Walcott, Shaw etc. We have invested in our academy, but it will take a while before we see the benefits in our first team and on our balance sheet.
2) Southampton have spent big. People on here bang on about what we spent on Dave Kitson. Today Southampton had on their bench a guy who cost more than our record signing. How much did they spend in their first two years in the Premier League? I reckon easily double what we spent in that same period.
3) Good investment strategy, scouting etc. As far as I'm aware, our scouting network was pretty crap in comparison, and our transfer strategy under Pulis was not sustainable in the long run.
Bigger picture though... we are in a great position right now. If you look at most clubs of a similar size, we are doing quite well. We could just as easily ask why can't we be as bad as Birmingham? Why can't we be as bad as Wolves? Apart from Southampton, I can't really think of any club, similar in size to Stoke, that are better than us right now. I can think of a long list who are far, far worse off. With the changes Coates has introduced in the last two years, hopefully we can reach a similar level to Southampton, but until then we might as well enjoy being a decent premier league side, the pride of the Midlands, rather than beating ourselves up because one club happens to be ahead of us.
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Post by march4 on Oct 25, 2014 18:15:26 GMT
Not convinced they have what it takes to last the season.
They faded today in the second half.
I think they will struggle to pick up points from Christmas onwards.
Wouldn't surprise me if they earn less than 10pts in the 2nd half of the season.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 25, 2014 18:16:36 GMT
I hear what people are saying but surely we could at least look as though we can play a bit instead of looking so pedestrian. It'll take 2 or 3 seasons to see us at out carpet footballing best. Really?. Good lord what do they practice on in training. We've got all this pace and supposed skill and yet struggle to make any decent chances, or at least not as many as youd expect given out so called skill in the team. Just find it alarming that we look so poor. I think we are playing poor at times but all these injuries are messing us about. Is Moses fit? Is Diouf fit? Is Arnie fit? Is Bardsley fit? Whelan out. Wingy out. Huth questionable fitness. Assiadi not up to it. Adam can't last a full game.... Manager has more problems than people realise, yet we're 11th.
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Post by no1972 on Oct 25, 2014 18:18:19 GMT
We can be as good as Southampton or any other club.But the people at the top have to drive it and not keep changing things because the fans moan. The owner of Southampton sacked there GEO ,the owner of Southampton sold players who did not want to stay, the owner replaced a successful manager with a manager who played with flair and encourages flair,the Southampton owner also backed there manager with cash. If she had listened to the moaning fans she would of sold the club and fucked off instead of planning for the future. Our chairman as backed the club and backed a manager for 10 years(6 years in the prem has repaid all that)then when some of the so called fans said they don't like what they are watching he sacks the manager. We all thought we were going to make a bold appointment to change the style of play. No we employ a manager with no tactical no how ,did not strength the team with better players,and plays a formation that Mark Bowen tells him the Oatcake managers want. No tactical know how, didn't strengthen the team, plays formations he is told to yet still we score more goals, win more matches and get more points and finish higher than we ever have. It's a head scratcher all right. What we did last year or what we did in 2011 has gone.We have scored 8 goals this season and have played one genuine top six club which we beat.The rest of the teams we should of at least scored more with our new attacking style.It is a much one dimensional as TP team was.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Oct 25, 2014 18:19:32 GMT
Not convinced they have what it takes to last the season. They faded today in the second half. I think they will struggle to pick up points from Christmas onwards. Wouldn't surprise me if they earn less than 10pts in the 2nd half of the season. they've had and an easy schedule so far and will definitely fade, but I reckon they will pick up a lot more than ten in the second half of the season. I think they will finish above us, but no place in Europe for them.
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Post by tazi on Oct 25, 2014 18:20:18 GMT
Why can't we find players like that?. Maybe it's taking us time to develop a scouting system? Shopping abroad has only relatively recently become a priority... Surely we brought players like that in Arnie but for sone reason it ain't working out.... Why can't we even look anything like some kind of threat?.
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Post by tazi on Oct 25, 2014 18:22:41 GMT
Not convinced they have what it takes to last the season. They faded today in the second half. I think they will struggle to pick up points from Christmas onwards. Wouldn't surprise me if they earn less than 10pts in the 2nd half of the season. That's some bold prediction.
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Post by tazi on Oct 25, 2014 18:26:07 GMT
Even west ham 'I like big Sam by the way' are looking bloody good at this passing lark.
Now, that's from someone whose considered to be an even worse footballing dinosaur than Tony Pulis.
The way we look then west ham will give us a fcuking tonking, Infact anyone looks like giving us a fcuking tonking.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 25, 2014 18:27:18 GMT
Maybe it's taking us time to develop a scouting system? Shopping abroad has only relatively recently become a priority... Surely we brought players like that in Arnie but for sone reason it ain't working out.... Why can't we even look anything like some kind of threat?. It's early days yet though isn't it? It may well work out. These aren't new problems Taz.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 25, 2014 18:28:35 GMT
Not convinced they have what it takes to last the season. They faded today in the second half. I think they will struggle to pick up points from Christmas onwards. Wouldn't surprise me if they earn less than 10pts in the 2nd half of the season. That's some bold prediction. March loves a bold prediction. Unfortunately for him they all turn out to be complete bollocks. Who can forget the 'Stoke will walk the Europa League, it's a competition full of pub teams....' Classic march.
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Post by tazi on Oct 25, 2014 18:29:54 GMT
I hear what people are saying but surely we could at least look as though we can play a bit instead of looking so pedestrian. It'll take 2 or 3 seasons to see us at out carpet footballing best. Really?. Good lord what do they practice on in training. We've got all this pace and supposed skill and yet struggle to make any decent chances, or at least not as many as youd expect given out so called skill in the team. Just find it alarming that we look so poor. I think we are playing poor at times but all these injuries are messing us about. Is Moses fit? Is Diouf fit? Is Arnie fit? Is Bardsley fit? Whelan out. Wingy out. Huth questionable fitness. Assiadi not up to it. Adam can't last a full game.... Manager has more problems than people realise, yet we're 11th. Think we are playing poor every bloody week and not just at times.
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Post by tazi on Oct 25, 2014 18:31:38 GMT
Surely we brought players like that in Arnie but for sone reason it ain't working out.... Why can't we even look anything like some kind of threat?. It's early days yet though isn't it? It may well work out. These aren't new problems Taz. . Early days yes, but lord help us as there's no conviction at all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 18:33:44 GMT
It's early days yet though isn't it? It may well work out. These aren't new problems Taz. . Early days yes, but lord help us as there's no conviction at all. Conviction?
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Post by generationex on Oct 25, 2014 18:35:33 GMT
In the last 2 years Southampton have bought 8 players that cost more than our all time record signing. Hmmm ... What could possibly explain their recent success...
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Post by no1972 on Oct 25, 2014 18:37:00 GMT
I hear what people are saying but surely we could at least look as though we can play a bit instead of looking so pedestrian. It'll take 2 or 3 seasons to see us at out carpet footballing best. Really?. Good lord what do they practice on in training. We've got all this pace and supposed skill and yet struggle to make any decent chances, or at least not as many as youd expect given out so called skill in the team. Just find it alarming that we look so poor. I think we are playing poor at times but all these injuries are messing us about. Is Moses fit? Is Diouf fit? Is Arnie fit? Is Bardsley fit? Whelan out. Wingy out. Huth questionable fitness. Assiadi not up to it. Adam can't last a full game.... Manager has more problems than people realise, yet we're 11th.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 25, 2014 18:38:25 GMT
In the last 2 years Southampton have bought 8 players that cost more than our all time record signing. Hmmm ... What could possibly explain their recent success... Is developing talent that they're able to sell for a hefty profit a factor do you think?
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Post by Clem Fandango on Oct 25, 2014 18:40:02 GMT
I think if the club wanted to spend the money then we would have certainly had players like Tadic and Pelle on our radar however we've bought cheaper and thats come with it own problems. For me at the moment the difference between Tadic and Pelle and our crop of players is consistency. We've seen what Arnie et al can offer and Diouf has had a decent scoring record in one of the top leagues in Europe.
The biggest gripe for me is how worlds away we are from them in terms of turning out academy talent. Obviously its not something that can be fixed over night and we've started to address it but this should have happened years ago and for me its inexcusable for a club like ours to have neglected it for so long.
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Post by Davef on Oct 25, 2014 18:47:22 GMT
Not convinced they have what it takes to last the season. They faded today in the second half. I think they will struggle to pick up points from Christmas onwards. Wouldn't surprise me if they earn less than 10pts in the 2nd half of the season. Your Swansea certainties for relegation post last week was ridiculous, but this is on a completely different level. Ludicrous.
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Post by stokemark on Oct 25, 2014 18:50:20 GMT
In the last 2 years Southampton have bought 8 players that cost more than our all time record signing. Hmmm ... What could possibly explain their recent success... Dont let Boskampsflaps see you talking sense
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 25, 2014 18:50:36 GMT
We get this every year don't we, some similar sized club who are better than us at that moment. Most have gone by the wayside while we've plodded on. Southampton do however look the real deal. Why can't we be like them? Well i suppose we could, but it's really really really really difficult. That's why there is only one team currently like them. Very true, Para. Wolves, Birmingham, Leeds, Sheffield United, Sheffield Wednesday, Forest etc are probably lamenting why they can't be like us.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 25, 2014 18:52:02 GMT
I think if the club wanted to spend the money then we would have certainly had players like Tadic and Pelle on our radar however we've bought cheaper and thats come with it own problems. For me at the moment the difference between Tadic and Pelle and our crop of players is consistency. We've seen what Arnie et al can offer and Diouf has had a decent scoring record in one of the top leagues in Europe. The biggest gripe for me is how worlds away we are from them in terms of turning out academy talent. Obviously its not something that can be fixed over night and we've started to address it but this should have happened years ago and for me its inexcusable for a club like ours to have neglected it for so long. Yep - Hughes said in the paper this morning that Tadic was on our radar (and he's represented by Beswicks apparently) but we couldn't afford him
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 18:56:15 GMT
I think if the club wanted to spend the money then we would have certainly had players like Tadic and Pelle on our radar however we've bought cheaper and thats come with it own problems. For me at the moment the difference between Tadic and Pelle and our crop of players is consistency. We've seen what Arnie et al can offer and Diouf has had a decent scoring record in one of the top leagues in Europe. The biggest gripe for me is how worlds away we are from them in terms of turning out academy talent. Obviously its not something that can be fixed over night and we've started to address it but this should have happened years ago and for me its inexcusable for a club like ours to have neglected it for so long. Yep - Hughes said in the paper this morning that Tadic was on our radar (and he's represented by Beswicks apparently) but we couldn't afford him I think that speaks volumes. Very disappointing that we would find money for the likes of Collins, Arismendi, Kitson, Sonko, Olofinjana, Tonge, Soares et al but not for a quality player like Tadic.
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Post by steakandchips on Oct 25, 2014 18:59:19 GMT
I think if the club wanted to spend the money then we would have certainly had players like Tadic and Pelle on our radar however we've bought cheaper and thats come with it own problems. For me at the moment the difference between Tadic and Pelle and our crop of players is consistency. We've seen what Arnie et al can offer and Diouf has had a decent scoring record in one of the top leagues in Europe. The biggest gripe for me is how worlds away we are from them in terms of turning out academy talent. Obviously its not something that can be fixed over night and we've started to address it but this should have happened years ago and for me its inexcusable for a club like ours to have neglected it for so long. Yep - Hughes said in the paper this morning that Tadic was on our radar (and he's represented by Beswicks apparently) but we couldn't afford him All the talk from certain posters on here about the money being available for the 'right' players seems to (shock horror) have been bollocks. TP's pissing of £m's up the wall has really caused Coates to padlock the warchest hasn't it
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Post by no1972 on Oct 25, 2014 19:03:00 GMT
How much do Southampton fans pay for there tickets,if there income is a lot more than ours they can afford the higer paid players due to the financial fair play restricts you to how much you can pay out to income,
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Post by no1972 on Oct 25, 2014 19:06:20 GMT
Yep - Hughes said in the paper this morning that Tadic was on our radar (and he's represented by Beswicks apparently) but we couldn't afford him All the talk from certain posters on here about the money being available for the 'right' players seems to (shock horror) have been bollocks. TP's pissing of £m's up the wall has really caused Coates to padlock the warchest hasn't it Load of bollocks as long as we were in the prem the money was covered,Bet 365 used the money against tax to keep the tax returns down. Business people don't give money away.
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Post by sportsman on Oct 25, 2014 19:15:25 GMT
I've said it so many times this season but we seemed to have abandoned the passing game by trying too hard to be a counter attacking team. Last season we were having as much possession as arsenal, this season as much as hartlepool.
When you surrender possession so much it just keeps coming back at you and eventually you concede, as we know too well over previous seasons apart from last.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 25, 2014 19:15:26 GMT
All the talk from certain posters on here about the money being available for the 'right' players seems to (shock horror) have been bollocks. TP's pissing of £m's up the wall has really caused Coates to padlock the warchest hasn't it Load of bollocks as long as we were in the prem the money was covered,Bet 365 used the money against tax to keep the tax returns down. Business people don't give money away. Why aren't we still spending that sort of money then? Why bother changing the recruitment structure?
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Post by tazi on Oct 25, 2014 19:20:47 GMT
. Early days yes, but lord help us as there's no conviction at all. Conviction? Well, conviction wrong word.....There's no fluency, just so static.
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