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Post by rognix on Oct 20, 2014 11:21:16 GMT
Seems to clearly show Moses shirt being pulled ? If this is a picture from the penalty incident ? the club need to send the still to MOTD and the FA !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 11:25:39 GMT
Seems to clearly show Moses shirt being pulled ? If this is a picture from the penalty incident ? the club need to send the still to MOTD and the FA ! If it's this image then it is the penalty incident. Conclusive evidence that Moses is a cheat.
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 20, 2014 11:31:04 GMT
Yes. Clearly demonstrates how he's a cheat.
Managing to change the complexion of his hand and arm and then grab hold of his own shirt. Shocking cheating
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 20, 2014 11:51:02 GMT
I have a friend who is supporting Liverpool and he thought it was cheating! I mentioned the Allen incident against Spurs and he couldn't really understand how these situations could be compared! Maybe he thought the Allen incident was a dive?
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Post by retired1 on Oct 20, 2014 11:51:47 GMT
Looks to me like he forced Rangels hand to grip his shirt
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Post by swampySCFC on Oct 20, 2014 12:17:21 GMT
Nobody can deny that his shirt was being pulled presumably the defender trying to seek an unfair advantage. Therefore its a penalty
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 20, 2014 15:57:16 GMT
Seems to clearly show Moses shirt being pulled ? If this is a picture from the penalty incident ? the club need to send the still to MOTD and the FA ! They don't need to send it to MOTD mate as it was on the BBC Football website only minutes after the game ended. It makes the post match ranting by Monk and Hartson on MOTD look moronic and they should both be eating humble pie by the bucket load over the next 24 hours and come up with an apology. It was a blatant penalty wether Moses dived or not and well done Michael Oliver for calling it.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 20, 2014 16:07:12 GMT
To be honest live on the telly the angle they showed on NBC's coverage it looked like a cheeky dive at first to say the least. But, on replay from other angles you could clearly see the shirt pull and the ref and side judge both signaled for a peno instantaneously. Hardly unjust.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 20, 2014 16:10:08 GMT
Looks to me like he forced Rangels hand to grip his shirt
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Oct 20, 2014 16:22:27 GMT
FFS he dived! Yes there was a slight pull on his shirt but not enough to snap both his legs in half. It may have been a pen for the shirt pull but he still dived! Take ya red tinted glasses of ffs and stop this embarrassing defense of blatant cheating.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 16:24:03 GMT
FFS he dived! Yes there was a slight pull on his shirt but not enough to snap both his legs in half. It may have been a pen for the shirt pull but he still dived! Take ya red tinted glasses of ffs and stop this embarrassing defense of blatant cheating. If you are fouled and "make the most of it", I do not see that as cheating. If you are not fouled, and go to ground - that is cheating.
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Post by chayzenbacon on Oct 20, 2014 16:24:46 GMT
FFS stop this embarrassing witch hunt of a Stoke City player who was clearly fouled in the penalty area, as shown in the photograph which has been posted many times since last night.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Oct 20, 2014 16:28:14 GMT
FFS stop this embarrassing witch hunt of a Stoke City player who was clearly fouled in the penalty area, as shown in the photograph which has been posted many times since last night. Have you watched it in real time? He pulled his shirt for a split second (the freezeframe) and he didn't even flinch until he threw himself to the ground. I don't care a shit who he plays for a dive is a dive. As for the witch hunt comment I happen to really like Moses and think he is a great signing so no agenda here.
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Post by chayzenbacon on Oct 20, 2014 16:33:34 GMT
FFS stop this embarrassing witch hunt of a Stoke City player who was clearly fouled in the penalty area, as shown in the photograph which has been posted many times since last night. Have you watched it in real time? He pulled his shirt for a split second (the freezeframe) and he didn't even flinch until he threw himself to the ground. I don't care a shit who he plays for a dive is a dive. As for the witch hunt comment I happen to really like Moses and think he is a great signing so no agenda here. You "really like" him? You should be ashamed of yourself -there's a media witch hunt against our club and you're fueling it with your ridiculous claim that shirt holding in the penalty area shouldn't result in a penalty.
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Post by heisenberg88 on Oct 20, 2014 16:38:45 GMT
At the time it looked a pen from where I was standing but having seen the replay it was very soft. Not a pen for me.
The other pen. If he's giving that then every time there's a corner there should be a penalty given as it happens in every box in every ground. The ref has prob been waiting to give one on shawcross since he's highlighted every week.
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Post by jamerg on Oct 20, 2014 16:39:47 GMT
Crikey. I find myself agreeing with Stafford The idea that this is a witch hunt is paranoid nonsense I'm afraid. It was a slight tug on his shirt and then he dived. If an opposing player had done it against us and won a penalty everyone on this board would be apoplectic. None of that stops Monk being a hypocritical tit, mind.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 20, 2014 16:40:58 GMT
Have you watched it in real time? He pulled his shirt for a split second (the freezeframe) and he didn't even flinch until he threw himself to the ground. I don't care a shit who he plays for a dive is a dive. As for the witch hunt comment I happen to really like Moses and think he is a great signing so no agenda here. You "really like" him? You should be ashamed of yourself -there's a media witch hunt against our club and you're fueling it with your ridiculous claim that shirt holding in the penalty area shouldn't result in a penalty. Yes the media witch hunt is in full swing today and that sort of thing can have ramifications for our season. Hopefully the referees are as outraged at Monk's and Hartson's statements about one of their members as they should be.........................let's face it we've been on the receiving end of biased and poor officiating a few times...............Newcastle last season anyone?
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Oct 20, 2014 16:45:03 GMT
I am sure our player will thank you for showing your support. His shirt was pulled, that is not coached as part of the game to my knowledge, and results in a "foul " if the referee see's the offence. I was coming on here to try and ensure that our case was put forward on MNF, but Jesus wept what chance do we have.
edit: in reply to Stafford's posts
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Post by metalhead on Oct 20, 2014 16:45:10 GMT
Crikey. I find myself agreeing with Stafford The idea that this is a witch hunt is paranoid nonsense I'm afraid. It was a slight tug on his shirt and then he dived. If an opposing player had done it against us and won a penalty everyone on this board would be apoplectic. None of that stops Monk being a hypocritical tit, mind. I think we all agree that while Moses felt a tug, he certainly went down easy. That said, there is a genuine media attack going on here and I'm someone who tends to think that the media simply highlights what goes on and there's nothing to worry about. MOTD spent more time talking about Moses than the actual game itself. They didn't even talk about the influence of Hughes subs. This morning, the papers are talking about Moses with only Percy defending Shawcross. TalkShite are dedicating an entire show to hammering him. Have they ever done this to Arsenal or Liverpool players who dive ALL THE TIME. I can only assume it is because they're not used to seeing Stoke players dive at all.
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Post by chayzenbacon on Oct 20, 2014 16:46:57 GMT
Crikey. I find myself agreeing with Stafford The idea that this is a witch hunt is paranoid nonsense I'm afraid. It was a slight tug on his shirt and then he dived. If an opposing player had done it against us and won a penalty everyone on this board would be apoplectic. None of that stops Monk being a hypocritical tit, mind. You're agreeing with a wind up merchant and I should know better than to get wound up by it. But how the hell can you deny that it's a media witch hunt? - whatever the rights and wrongs of the Moses penalty no other club would have faced the shit we've faced since that match finished.
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 20, 2014 16:49:04 GMT
Am I absolutely pig sick of hearing 'what if it happened to us' have you lot got the memories of goldfish? It's happened to us many, many times. It happens its football. Not only our last home game, Moses was smashed off the ball in the area against Newcastle. No pen, no one gave a shit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 16:50:56 GMT
I've seen stronger fucking challenges in Aldi when Polish sausage is marked down and all the mothers make a grab for it.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Oct 20, 2014 16:54:00 GMT
Have you watched it in real time? He pulled his shirt for a split second (the freezeframe) and he didn't even flinch until he threw himself to the ground. I don't care a shit who he plays for a dive is a dive. As for the witch hunt comment I happen to really like Moses and think he is a great signing so no agenda here. You "really like" him? You should be ashamed of yourself -there's a media witch hunt against our club and you're fueling it with your ridiculous claim that shirt holding in the penalty area shouldn't result in a penalty. Why should I be ashamed? For not being a hypocrite? You know full well that if that had been the other way round this board would be on fire. I agree that the media have gone over the top but if he didn't dive in the first place he probably wouldn't get a mention in the press. If a pen was given for every shirt pull we would concede about 5 a game. Yes his shity was pulled, yes it is a peno by the letter of the law and yes he dived!
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Oct 20, 2014 16:54:03 GMT
So are you advocating a rules change?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 20, 2014 17:08:24 GMT
This is my take on it.......Moses is clearly impeded in the penalty area by a blatant tug on his shirt by the defender and wins a penalty there is no arguement about that. Had he not gone to ground would Oliver have awarded the penalty? ...I doubt it and we would be shouting incompetence, bias officials, call for technology etc etc. it was not blatant cheating and in Shearer parlance he was entitled to go down to highlight the foul. There is a world of difference between a player simulating a foul and diving when no contact has been made and a player taking an exaggerated tumble after a foul has been committed and the officials possibly not seeing it.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 20, 2014 17:31:41 GMT
FFS he dived! Yes there was a slight pull on his shirt but not enough to snap both his legs in half. It may have been a pen for the shirt pull but he still dived! Take ya red tinted glasses of ffs and stop this embarrassing defense of blatant cheating.
Stafford do you think we should have been given a penalty for the blatant shirt pull on Crouch?
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 20, 2014 17:34:38 GMT
Ryan on Bony - cast iron penalty Victor - never been a penalty Crouchy - cast iron penalty
Victor v Newcastle - cast iron penalty scandalously not given.
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Post by parttimelurker on Oct 20, 2014 17:35:36 GMT
It was a Spanish penalty. .
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 20, 2014 17:37:23 GMT
Crikey. I find myself agreeing with Stafford The idea that this is a witch hunt is paranoid nonsense I'm afraid. It was a slight tug on his shirt and then he dived. If an opposing player had done it against us and won a penalty everyone on this board would be apoplectic. None of that stops Monk being a hypocritical tit, mind. I think we all agree that while Moses felt a tug, he certainly went down easy. That said, there is a genuine media attack going on here and I'm someone who tends to think that the media simply highlights what goes on and there's nothing to worry about. MOTD spent more time talking about Moses than the actual game itself. They didn't even talk about the influence of Hughes subs. This morning, the papers are talking about Moses with only Percy defending Shawcross. TalkShite are dedicating an entire show to hammering him. Have they ever done this to Arsenal or Liverpool players who dive ALL THE TIME. I can only assume it is because they're not used to seeing Stoke players dive at all. Even Collymore's show is going to be full of it! When I think how Sterling, Sturridge and Suarez have dived against us in the past, I can't believe the flak Moses is getting.
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 20, 2014 17:40:47 GMT
To me it's a dive, but I've seen worse decisions been given (e.g. Allen vs. Spurs) without all the fuzz being made! In many ways things were still evened out as the one they got and the two Crouchy didn't get still should earn us at least one! By the way I never heard Monk say anything about all the cheating from his former player Cheating Flores last season!
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