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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 19, 2014 22:28:28 GMT
Hartson is completely right re the dive, he should be banned, he won't, but it should be brought in. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Bony won them a pen Victor won us onr. We have been shafted many a time, well done Victor i say! I am a stoke fan and i want us to WIN! PS HARTSON IS A COCK! I'm sure we have been shafted ,any times, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have been happy with it when we had. Bony didn't dive though did he, he was tussling with Shawcross and he was a bit weaker and went down, the ref got the decision wrong, Moses clearly dived, completely different situation.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 19, 2014 22:29:15 GMT
At the match I thought it was a dive. I sit in block 31 so was quite close. But one of those camera angles showed Angel push Moses. That coupled with the pic on here somewhere of him with a handful of Moses' shirt I've changed my mind. Yes, Moses goes down very easily (like Bony did for their pen) BUT IT IS A STONEWALL PENALTY!! There wasn't a push, it wasn't a peno.
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Post by obhstokie on Oct 19, 2014 22:29:53 GMT
The fact that Moses went down easily shouldn't matter whether it's a penalty or not. In the laws of the game, if a players shirt is pulled/held then it's a foul. Whether or not that's enough to make the player go down is another question. So it was definately a penalty, but there wasn't a need for Moses to go down.
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Post by crownmeking on Oct 19, 2014 22:30:08 GMT
It's a load of bollocks!!!! If there was no contact fair enough, but the arm was out for all to see....I think the sky sports pundit Jamie the prick, should go back to the Liverpool game last January. when Sturrigde diveded like the cheating little bastards they are !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fuck off ........ You're kidding right, he threw himself to floor, it was a shocking dive, or do you all ways fall to the floor when someone touches you slightly. He did go down easy, but there WAS a shirt pull as the picture shows, so it was a foul and a penalty. All this 'He should be banned' is nonsense, you might not like it, but it did win us the game - Would you rather the Moses incident didn't happen and we walked away with a point?
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Post by tazi on Oct 19, 2014 22:30:10 GMT
Maybe players shouldn't play in shirts as that way they can't be pulled.
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Oct 19, 2014 22:30:15 GMT
Hartson is a lifelong Swansea fan with half a brain, literally. Shearer has no brain just a wound up rubber band in his bonce. So we are really going to get a balanced view on MOTD2 tonight then....NOT.
Good old BBC; I say two fingers up to the lot of them and agree, better to be hated than being the latest media love interest a la Swansea or Southampton.
Moses was rammed out of the box against Newcastle the other night, nothing given. They call it Karma. Three points in the bag, I shall sleep soundly tonight.
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Post by thisfootballclub on Oct 19, 2014 22:30:15 GMT
They didnt even analyse our winner. When the hell does MOTD not analyse a teams winning goal? They were too busy adding fuel to the fire for the media witch-hunt, showing a really well worked goal and finish doesn't fit the agenda.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Oct 19, 2014 22:31:05 GMT
Hartson looks like his heads on upside down, you have to do cart-wheels to fucking understand him.
And Shearer? Mr Gravitas..all solemn & serious....there to add 'weight' to MOTD....A bell-end of monumental proportion.
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Post by thisfootballclub on Oct 19, 2014 22:33:57 GMT
Shearer looked like he was squirming a bit to be honest once Hartson was in full flow with his completely impartial, and well researched punditry...
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Post by tazi on Oct 19, 2014 22:34:35 GMT
At the match I thought it was a dive. I sit in block 31 so was quite close. But one of those camera angles showed Angel push Moses. That coupled with the pic on here somewhere of him with a handful of Moses' shirt I've changed my mind. Yes, Moses goes down very easily (like Bony did for their pen) BUT IT IS A STONEWALL PENALTY!! There wasn't a push, it wasn't a peno. There wasn't a push but a pull on the shirt in an attempt to knock him out of his stride and in the hope that the referee doesn't see it, well he did see it and as clear a penalty that you'll ever see.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 19, 2014 22:34:52 GMT
You're kidding right, he threw himself to floor, it was a shocking dive, or do you all ways fall to the floor when someone touches you slightly. He did go down easy, but there WAS a shirt pull as the picture shows, so it was a foul and a penalty. All this 'He should be banned' is nonsense, you might not like it, but it did win us the game - Would you rather the Moses incident didn't happen and we walked away with a point?Yes, I don't want players at the club I support diving to win games, it was a disgrace when Suarez did it every week, its a disgrace that Moses has done it too (not every week obvs). Anyone that dives should be banned, Stoke player or other wise, its blatant cheating and could cost a club millions, all other cheating is prosecuted in some way, why not diving.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 19, 2014 22:35:39 GMT
There wasn't a push, it wasn't a peno. There wasn't a push but a pull on the shirt in an attempt to knock him out of his stride and in the hope that the referee doesn't see it, well he did see it and as clear a penalty that you'll ever see. A pull would have pulled him back, not take his legs away from him, it was dive.
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Post by tazi on Oct 19, 2014 22:37:05 GMT
There wasn't a push but a pull on the shirt in an attempt to knock him out of his stride and in the hope that the referee doesn't see it, well he did see it and as clear a penalty that you'll ever see. A pull would have pulled him back, not take his legs away from him, it was dive. Was it fcuk a dive, I gather that you didn't see him leaning into Moses whilst pulling on his shirt then?.
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 19, 2014 22:37:11 GMT
I can sense a siege mentality growing and don't you just love it.
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Post by desman2 on Oct 19, 2014 22:38:08 GMT
He did go down easy, but there WAS a shirt pull as the picture shows, so it was a foul and a penalty. All this 'He should be banned' is nonsense, you might not like it, but it did win us the game - Would you rather the Moses incident didn't happen and we walked away with a point?Yes, I don't want players at the club I support diving to win games, it was a disgrace when Suarez did it every week, its a disgrace that mosses has done it too (not every week obvs). Anyone that dives should be banned, Stoke player or other wise, its blatant cheating and could cost a club millions, all other cheating is prosecuted in some way, why not diving. Not going to happen. If it can be shown that there is some type of contact then its very difficult to disprove that it didnt cause a player to fall.
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Post by crownmeking on Oct 19, 2014 22:38:38 GMT
There wasn't a push but a pull on the shirt in an attempt to knock him out of his stride and in the hope that the referee doesn't see it, well he did see it and as clear a penalty that you'll ever see. A pull would have pulled him back, not take his legs away from him, it was dive. I assume you have seen the picture floating about of Moses having his shirt pulled? It was a penalty! I know you feel Moses dived (I don't think he did) but regardless it was still a penalty.
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Post by sportsman on Oct 19, 2014 22:39:12 GMT
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Bony won them a pen Victor won us onr. We have been shafted many a time, well done Victor i say! I am a stoke fan and i want us to WIN! PS HARTSON IS A COCK! I'm sure we have been shafted ,any times, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have been happy with it when we had. Bony didn't dive though did he, he was tussling with Shawcross and he was a bit weaker and went down, the ref got the decision wrong, Moses clearly dived, completely different situation. Bony was a bit weaker. Pisser!
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Post by desman2 on Oct 19, 2014 22:39:29 GMT
Actually no fucker knows whether Oliver saw the tug on the shirt and gave it for that rather than Moses going to ground.
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Post by retired1 on Oct 19, 2014 22:39:43 GMT
If Moses had been in goal for Swansea he'd have dived better to try to save Walters' header than their keeper did.
There's no case being built against us, that's just the usual Stoke fan "we are victims/nobody likes us" paranoia. It was Hartson's viewpoint and he wouldn't ever have dived in a box to get a penalty would he, same goes for Shearer. So it's not a conspiracy FFS, I'm sick of hearing conspiracy theories. Moses went down easily, he was touched but he isn't the first to go down so easily anyone remember Ashley Young and Welbeck at Manure game in game out.
Maybe the pushing and tugging in the box will reduce or stop now there's the chance a penalty will be given. Stoke defenders are little different to other teams but it's been a recurring theme on this forum for years about RS and RH doing it. RS seemed to play better after being taken off wrestling duties.
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Post by smiler_andy on Oct 19, 2014 22:39:50 GMT
I see that MOD2 did not analyse the Man City v Spurs game where Lampard took a dive and the Spurs forward took a dive outside the box for a couple of the penalties.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 19, 2014 22:41:58 GMT
Yes, I don't want players at the club I support diving to win games, it was a disgrace when Suarez did it every week, its a disgrace that mosses has done it too (not every week obvs). Anyone that dives should be banned, Stoke player or other wise, its blatant cheating and could cost a club millions, all other cheating is prosecuted in some way, why not diving. Not going to happen. If it can be shown that there is some type of contact then its very difficult to disprove that it didnt cause a player to fall. It probably won't, but if a ref can judge intent then surely he can judge that of replays.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 19, 2014 22:42:38 GMT
I see that MOD2 did not analyse the Man City v Spurs game where Lampard took a dive and the Spurs forward took a dive outside the box for a couple of the penalties. probably because it was on Saturday.
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Post by crownmeking on Oct 19, 2014 22:42:36 GMT
It is sad that certain people on here would rather be outraged at a POSSIBLE dive, than be happy that we got 3 much needed points that put us up to 10th.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 19, 2014 22:42:42 GMT
BBC complaints is a good way of making the point one in already
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Oct 19, 2014 22:42:45 GMT
At the match I thought it was a dive. I sit in block 31 so was quite close. But one of those camera angles showed Angel push Moses. That coupled with the pic on here somewhere of him with a handful of Moses' shirt I've changed my mind. Yes, Moses goes down very easily (like Bony did for their pen) BUT IT IS A STONEWALL PENALTY!! There wasn't a push, it wasn't a peno. There was a push.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 19, 2014 22:43:14 GMT
It is sad that certain people on here would rather be outraged at a POSSIBLE dive, than be happy that we got 3 much needed points that put us up to 10th. I'm happy we got 3 points, I'm not happy how we did it.
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Oct 19, 2014 22:43:28 GMT
Yes, I don't want players at the club I support diving to win games, it was a disgrace when Suarez did it every week, its a disgrace that mosses has done it too (not every week obvs). Anyone that dives should be banned, Stoke player or other wise, its blatant cheating and could cost a club millions, all other cheating is prosecuted in some way, why not diving. Not going to happen. If it can be shown that there is some type of contact then its very difficult to disprove that it didnt cause a player to fall. Not really. Pretty much every time pundits don't use the term 'that was a penalty' and instead use the term 'he went down easily' or 'I think there was a bit of contact', it isn't a penalty. The whole mentality is messed up.
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Post by desman2 on Oct 19, 2014 22:43:31 GMT
I know what you mean mate. Im wondering whether he blew for the shirt grab. Only the ref knows. Also looking from the angle where the ref was standing it did look a push, even though on other angles it didnt
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 19, 2014 22:43:39 GMT
There wasn't a push, it wasn't a peno. There was a push. You're seeing things.
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Post by wuzza on Oct 19, 2014 22:44:50 GMT
Regardless of the actual decisions you cant escape the fact that was typical MOTD bias against a club like ours. A similar analysis/outrage if it had been say Liverpool ...nah wouldnt happen.
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