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Post by Pugsley on Sept 30, 2014 10:39:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 10:42:49 GMT
Wilson's piss poor clearance led to the Colbeck chance, but all in all he did well. I trust the manager to make the right call, eventually I'd like to see Muniesa slot into that left sided central defensive position....
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Post by elsidibe on Sept 30, 2014 10:43:21 GMT
Wilson had a very good game last night but on the balance of the whole season thus far I'd rather have Huth phased back into the team.
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Post by stokeramblers on Sept 30, 2014 10:44:19 GMT
I think somebody did on the Rate Hughes thread. A sound assessment there though, I think it's down to the clean sheet.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 30, 2014 10:44:41 GMT
Wilson was fine last night, Pugs.
No daft errors so nothing to discuss.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 30, 2014 10:47:55 GMT
I am, their best chance came from his piss poor clearance where he should have just walloped it but instead tried a chip pass that went straight to one of their players and then a few passes later Colback was hitting the bar. One mistake he made all night but it nearly cost us again.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 30, 2014 10:51:16 GMT
I am, their best chance came from his piss poor clearance where he should have just walloped it but instead tried a chip pass that went straight to one of their players and then a few passes later Colback was hitting the bar. One mistake he made all night but it nearly cost us again.
How far do you want to go back? It could be argued that the mistake was Ryan's for letting the ball go through him.
Nit-picking to suit an agenda.
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Post by elsidibe on Sept 30, 2014 10:54:04 GMT
I am, their best chance came from his piss poor clearance where he should have just walloped it but instead tried a chip pass that went straight to one of their players and then a few passes later Colback was hitting the bar. One mistake he made all night but it nearly cost us again. Yup. It's laudable to make only one or two errors per game but if they routinely result in conceding a goal (or at the very least a gilt-edged chance) then questions have to be asked.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 30, 2014 10:54:20 GMT
I am, their best chance came from his piss poor clearance where he should have just walloped it but instead tried a chip pass that went straight to one of their players and then a few passes later Colback was hitting the bar. One mistake he made all night but it nearly cost us again.
How far do you want to go back? It could be argued that the mistake was Ryan's for letting the ball go through him.
Nit-picking to suit an agenda.
Nit picking? He had time to control it or thump it. His decision making is my issue with him it was another decision he made and it was nearly catastrophic. When he mistakes, teams have glorious chances, I have an issue with that especially when we can't hit a cow's arse with a banjo at the other end. He reminds me of a duck. Above the surface he looks calm and good but if you look below the surface it's absolute fucking chaos. It was only one mistake but it nearly cost 2 points. That's the deal breaker for me with Wilson.
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Post by Vestan Pance on Sept 30, 2014 10:57:50 GMT
I'm still not convinced to be honest.
His distribution is better without question however he does lose quite a bit in the air, and his aerial ability in general is questionable in my opinion.
Ultimately as we all know it's Hughes who makes the decisions, and certainly in the case of Bardsley it has been ratified, however i still prefer Huth, and given the central midfielders basically come and take the ball off the toes of the central defenders, i am not convinced how important footballing ability is.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 30, 2014 10:59:51 GMT
Huth isn't coming back, especially coming back to his imperious colossus best of a few years back.
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Post by elsidibe on Sept 30, 2014 11:02:05 GMT
Huth isn't coming back, especially coming back to his imperious colossus best of a few years back. Oh well, that's that then. Thanks for letting us all know.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 30, 2014 11:05:28 GMT
Huth isn't coming back, especially coming back to his imperious colossus best of a few years back. Oh well, that's that then. Thanks for letting us all know.
Glad to be of service.
The bloke can't run mate.
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Post by thestatusquo on Sept 30, 2014 11:08:52 GMT
Oh well, that's that then. Thanks for letting us all know.
Glad to be of service.
The bloke can't run mate.
The Berlin wall couldn't run either
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Post by elsidibe on Sept 30, 2014 11:11:13 GMT
Oh well, that's that then. Thanks for letting us all know.
Glad to be of service.
The bloke can't run mate.
He never could. Running isn't necessary when you're elbowing someone in the face, wrestling a man to the floor or smashing the ball into the uncharted reaches of the solar system. Sometimes we need more of that and less pussyfooting about.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Sept 30, 2014 11:13:45 GMT
Oh well, that's that then. Thanks for letting us all know.
Glad to be of service.
The bloke can't run mate.
I agree mate, some people seem to believe that some Stoke players live in a perpetual Peter Pan world. Fuller was placed in the same category. Great player for us, of course he was but it's time to move on. Wilson makes one mistake and that's the deal breaker for some folk. Let's all get on Moses's back as well for his one mistake should we because had Colback scored then his miss would have cost us two points as well. Instead of continually sniping at 'easy' targets why not let's just get on with it and trust the Manager's judgement for a change.
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Post by elsidibe on Sept 30, 2014 11:21:04 GMT
Glad to be of service.
The bloke can't run mate.
I agree mate, some people seem to believe that some Stoke players live in a perpetual Peter Pan world. Fuller was placed in the same category. Great player for us, of course he was but it's time to move on. Wilson makes one mistake and that's the deal breaker for some folk. Let's all get on Moses's back as well for his one mistake should we because had Colback scored then his miss would have cost us two points as well. Instead of continually sniping at 'easy' targets why not let's just get on with it and trust the Manager's judgement for a change. Huth has only just turned 30 mate. A little premature to be talking about "time to move on" isn't it? Especially for a CB. No one is picking on Wilson because he made one mistake; it's because the one mistake he makes in every game invariably leads to bad things.
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Post by adi on Sept 30, 2014 11:26:46 GMT
Oh well, that's that then. Thanks for letting us all know.
Glad to be of service.
The bloke can't run mate.
He never has! If argue that neither can Wilson. Ryan has more legs than him.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 30, 2014 11:29:04 GMT
Glad to be of service.
The bloke can't run mate.
I agree mate, some people seem to believe that some Stoke players live in a perpetual Peter Pan world. Fuller was placed in the same category. Great player for us, of course he was but it's time to move on. Wilson makes one mistake and that's the deal breaker for some folk. Let's all get on Moses's back as well for his one mistake should we because had Colback scored then his miss would have cost us two points as well. Instead of continually sniping at 'easy' targets why not let's just get on with it and trust the Manager's judgement for a change. To be fair it's not about Wilson making one mistake last night though is it? I thought he did OK but generally he has been culpable for quite a few goals and chances for the opposition. He does his absolute best and he deserves great credit for that but he still doesn't look comfortable when defending.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Sept 30, 2014 11:30:17 GMT
Wilson played ok last night apart from one aimless clearance which resulted in their late effort that thit the bar.For me when he's got time he's prone to errors whereas no time results in better decisions by him.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 30, 2014 11:33:34 GMT
Wilson played ok last night apart from one aimless clearance which resulted in their late effort that thit the bar.For me when he's got time he's prone to errors whereas no time results in better decisions by him.
Why is no one commenting on the mistake Ryan made that lead DIRECTLY to that chance?
And he didn't play OK, he played equally as well as Ryan, who in some peoples opinion was Moore-esq.
I'm not having a go at Huth, who is a legend, more I'm disappointed in the constant slagging off of a bloke who has played consistently well for a long time. It's pathetic.
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Post by werrington on Sept 30, 2014 11:34:10 GMT
I was no fan of Wilson at centre half but he came into the team nearly one year ago and for me has finally nailed the centre half spot
Yeah he's had poor games but so have the rest but in general he's been excellent
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 11:34:36 GMT
Next fucker to say "agenda" on here will be getting a fucking smack from Jacques Rougeau.
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Post by wickerman on Sept 30, 2014 11:34:45 GMT
Oh well, that's that then. Thanks for letting us all know.
Glad to be of service.
The bloke can't run mate.
On that basis Crouch should have been put out to pasture 2 years ago!
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 30, 2014 11:35:51 GMT
I agree mate, some people seem to believe that some Stoke players live in a perpetual Peter Pan world. Fuller was placed in the same category. Great player for us, of course he was but it's time to move on. Wilson makes one mistake and that's the deal breaker for some folk. Let's all get on Moses's back as well for his one mistake should we because had Colback scored then his miss would have cost us two points as well. Instead of continually sniping at 'easy' targets why not let's just get on with it and trust the Manager's judgement for a change. To be fair it's not about Wilson making one mistake last night though is it? I thought he did OK but generally he has been culpable for quite a few goals and chances for the opposition. He does his absolute best and he deserves great credit for that but he still doesn't look comfortable when defending.
There aren't many defenders nowadays that look comfortable defending, especially with the pace that comes at them.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Sept 30, 2014 11:37:22 GMT
Wilson played ok last night apart from one aimless clearance which resulted in their late effort that thit the bar.For me when he's got time he's prone to errors whereas no time results in better decisions by him.
Why is no one commenting on the mistake Ryan made that lead DIRECTLY to that chance?
And he didn't play OK, he played equally as well as Ryan, who in some peoples opinion was Moore-esq.
I'm not having a go at Huth, who is a legend, more I'm disappointed in the constant slagging off of a bloke who has played consistently well for a long time. It's pathetic.
yes Ryan should have done better defending that Pugs no doubt but yet again the ball was given away by Wilson under no pressure whatsoever as usual.He was not a patch on Ryan last night by the way but it's all about opinions.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 30, 2014 11:37:31 GMT
To be fair it's not about Wilson making one mistake last night though is it? I thought he did OK but generally he has been culpable for quite a few goals and chances for the opposition. He does his absolute best and he deserves great credit for that but he still doesn't look comfortable when defending.
There aren't many defenders nowadays that look comfortable defending, especially with the pace that comes at them.
What I mean, mate is that his instincts aren't naturally that of a defender. It's similar with Geoff and while it's understandable it often leads to unforced errors by taking risks in areas they shouldn't.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 30, 2014 11:41:10 GMT
There aren't many defenders nowadays that look comfortable defending, especially with the pace that comes at them.
What I mean, mate is that his instincts aren't naturally that of a defender. It's similar with Geoff and while it's understandable it often leads to unforced errors by taking risks in areas they shouldn't.
I never see the manager having a pop at Wilson. Perhaps he's playing to instruction i.e. look for a pass, take a risk or two?
Cameron used to get it both barrels constantly from Hughes.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 30, 2014 11:44:07 GMT
What I mean, mate is that his instincts aren't naturally that of a defender. It's similar with Geoff and while it's understandable it often leads to unforced errors by taking risks in areas they shouldn't.
I never see the manager having a pop at Wilson. Perhaps he's playing to instruction i.e. look for a pass, take a risk or two?
Cameron used to get it both barrels constantly from Hughes.
Geoff certainly did get it from Hughes a lot. I'm fairly certain he was even slaughtering him after the Fulham win last year and we won 4-1! You could be right about Wilo and Hughes although he still scares the shit out of me at times!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 30, 2014 11:44:36 GMT
If they had got an undeserved point, ALL of the blame would have lain at the other end of the pitch. Again.
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