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Post by march4 on Sept 20, 2014 19:18:53 GMT
Which player in the Prem gets held most at corners - answer Peter Crouch How many penalties does Crouchy get?? Crouch doesn't get anywhere near the amount of fouls given for him that he should. I think refs just think he is unfoulable(is that even a word?)because he is so big and awkward? On a side note he was superb today. MoM in my humble opinion.
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Post by spongebobflathead on Sept 20, 2014 19:25:54 GMT
Ryan was possibly our worst performer today , not for the first time this season either , worrying !
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 20, 2014 19:30:53 GMT
Ryan was possibly our worst performer today , not for the first time this season either , worrying ! No, it really was for the first time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 19:32:22 GMT
Crouch doesn't get anywhere near the amount of fouls given for him that he should. I think refs just think he is unfoulable(is that even a word?)because he is so big and awkward? On a side note he was superb today. MoM in my humble opinion. Mine too. You been drinking March? You're being far too sensible
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Post by spongebobflathead on Sept 20, 2014 19:34:33 GMT
Ryan was possibly our worst performer today , not for the first time this season either , worrying ! No, it really was for the first time. Not in my humble opinion , he was dire against villa and not much better against hull , I know he's one of the untouchables but it has to be said !
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Post by Davef on Sept 20, 2014 20:00:36 GMT
Not Ryan's best day - nor Asmir's for that matter - but they have plenty of money in the bank.
They'll both have many more better days.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 20, 2014 21:11:18 GMT
I went and thought he had a fine game , obviously not seen the replays, would prefer Huth back with him , but we should have killed them off today, need a ruthless streak from somewhere some fine play today, watched liverpoh in the pub after and Ryan is better than anything they have at centre half
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Post by Kjones9 on Sept 20, 2014 22:06:13 GMT
Crouch doesn't get anywhere near the amount of fouls given for him that he should. I think refs just think he is unfoulable(is that even a word?)because he is so big and awkward? On a side note he was superb today. MoM in my humble opinion. Your opinion is anything but humble.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 20, 2014 23:11:10 GMT
Glad someone has had the balls to say it. Shawcross lost his man for their first goal and looked more like Mr. Tickle than ever. Very disappointing from Ryan.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 20, 2014 23:14:44 GMT
MoM in my humble opinion. Mine too. You been drinking March? You're being far too sensible I agree with both of you; Crouch linked the play brilliantly today. Him, Moses and Diouf looked great today.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Sept 20, 2014 23:18:23 GMT
Mine too. You been drinking March? You're being far too sensible I agree with both of you; Crouch linked the play brilliantly today. Him, Moses and Diouf looked great today. i agree with all three of you, and would say he's been our most valuable player for the season so far!
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Post by Davef on Sept 20, 2014 23:21:13 GMT
Glad someone has had the balls to say it. Shawcross lost his man for their first goal and looked more like Mr. Tickle than ever. Very disappointing from Ryan. You don't need balls to say that Ryan didn't play well today. Earth to some of our fans: He's not going to play well every week. I'll bet he'll be the first one to hold his hands up and say he'd be disappointed with his performance today. How depressing though that some Stoke fans are so willing to jump on the back of players who've served us so well over so many years, just because we've drawn a game away at QPR.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 20, 2014 23:30:05 GMT
Glad someone has had the balls to say it. Shawcross lost his man for their first goal and looked more like Mr. Tickle than ever. Very disappointing from Ryan. You don't need balls to say that Ryan didn't play well today. Earth to some of our fans: He's not going to play well every week. I'll bet he'll be the first one to hold his hands up and say he'd be disappointed with his performance today. How depressing though that some Stoke fans are so willing to jump on the back of players who've served us so well over so many years, just because we've drawn a game away at QPR. I realise he owes us nothing, Dave, it's just that I think Momo was right to bring the subject up. I think we were the better team overall, though and I think we will be fine.
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Post by retired1 on Sept 20, 2014 23:47:33 GMT
If he'd have been concentrating on his man instead of trying to fucking maul him he might have jumped better and not left him clear.....he was poor today and his his distribution was wank. I agree with that, he lost his man and never saw the ball because he had been too busy wrestling Caulker. We dont seem to have much postitional and marking sense these days and are more vulnerable at set pieces because of it.
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Post by Davef on Sept 20, 2014 23:59:30 GMT
You don't need balls to say that Ryan didn't play well today. Earth to some of our fans: He's not going to play well every week. I'll bet he'll be the first one to hold his hands up and say he'd be disappointed with his performance today. How depressing though that some Stoke fans are so willing to jump on the back of players who've served us so well over so many years, just because we've drawn a game away at QPR. I realise he owes us nothing, Dave, it's just that I think Momo was right to bring the subject up. I think we were the better team overall, though and I think we will be fine. I didn't say he owes us nothing. He's our club captain and a highly paid player and he owes it to us to play as well as he can and give us as much as he can in every game he plays for us, which he does, with bells on. He doesn't deserve to be jumped on and singled out on the very rare occasions he doesn't play well though, which, for some bizarre reason, some of our fans seem to delight in doing. After everything he's given to our club he deserves much better than that.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Sept 21, 2014 0:02:06 GMT
Shawcross was primarily to blame for their first goal, but having said that he still made at least several good tackles on the edge of our area. Apart from their goal I thought he was outstanding.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 21, 2014 0:11:05 GMT
The main reason I posted was in response to some of the shit posted him in recent weeks. Besides half an hour against By Big Fat Gypsy Sick Note in the West Ham game last season he has been immense for this entire calendar year but today was well below par and I frankly don't know why. The movement wasn't particularly clever or physical but he just couldn't cope at times. Maybe getting the old band back on the road with Huth on Tuesday will be the tonic he needs.
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Post by spongebobflathead on Sept 21, 2014 0:18:15 GMT
Can't see much evidence of that Davef , he's had a dodgy start to the season IMO , one thing your are right about is he's got plenty of points in the bank which is his saving grace .
To the contrary , if it was any number of other players in our team he wouldn't of got off so lightly, it's true he's been a sensational player as a whole for us , what I find more disturbing is this ," he's beyond reproach bollocks
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Post by stokemark on Sept 21, 2014 7:54:06 GMT
Personally speaking it concerns me that some Stoke supporters are prepared to legitimise the disgraceful media character assassination attempt that Ryan has been subject to ever since 'that' tackle.
He is far from the only culprit of grappling in the box and as stated, Crouch has to contend with it week in week out. Believe the hype if you wish - I would rather defend the man whose contribution to Stoke City in recent times in unprecedented.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 21, 2014 7:58:23 GMT
Shawcross did a steady job again, but he will soon be punished by the refs for holding on set pieces. To say he was awful yesterday is rubbish, he defended well as always!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 21, 2014 8:06:52 GMT
I think it's a bit rich for anyone to highlight Ryan's grappling when everybody else does it.
You only have to look at how Crouch was persistently fouled against Leicester last week to see that.
I also didn't think Ryan was anywhere near as bad as some are suggesting yesterday.
He got done by Caulker for the first goal but then he wasn't the only one to not cover themselves in glory for that one.
Generally his overall performance was solid and his use of the ball was decent, he's had better days admittedly but it wasn't that bad was it?
I thought on the whole the defenders performed quite well individually which makes it all the harder to take when we concede soft goals.
We should have been out of sight yet again but if you don't put teams to bed things like this will continue to happen.
I was bloody frustrated walking away from Loftus Road yesterday believe me.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 21, 2014 8:19:24 GMT
We were wasteful Jamo but we've scored two away from home which is a relative goalfest for us. We were abysmal defensively for me and gave away another two breathtakingly bad and entirely avoidable goals. Again.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 21, 2014 8:24:08 GMT
We were wasteful Jamo but we've scored two away from home which is a relative goalfest for us. We were abysmal defensively for me and gave away another two breathtakingly bad and entirely avoidable goals. Again. Both goals are avoidable and soft. That said the first still shouldn't have gone in despite losing the far post header and I'm still not convinced the free kick was THAT good to the point of being impossible to save.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 8:48:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 8:53:52 GMT
We were wasteful Jamo but we've scored two away from home which is a relative goalfest for us. We were abysmal defensively for me and gave away another two breathtakingly bad and entirely avoidable goals. Again. Both goals are avoidable and soft. That said the first still shouldn't have gone in despite losing the far post header and I'm still not convinced the free kick was THAT good to the point of being impossible to save. It looked to me that Begovic wasn't set for some reason as he took the free kick.
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Post by scfc5 on Sept 21, 2014 8:53:56 GMT
Ryan wasn't any better or worse than anyone yesterday. Why the vitriol?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 21, 2014 9:07:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 9:20:43 GMT
Both goals are avoidable and soft. That said the first still shouldn't have gone in despite losing the far post header and I'm still not convinced the free kick was THAT good to the point of being impossible to save. It looked to me that Begovic wasn't set for some reason as he took the free kick. A wall is there for a purpose...to protect that side of the goal. There is no point in having a wall and then standing behind it, players at the top level will just flip in into the other corner. It was a fantastic goal, simple as that. You have a wall and he gets it up and down into the corner you just hold your hands up and say..brilliant. Its not like we had the seven dwarves in the wall is it ?
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Post by MilanStokie on Sept 21, 2014 9:24:45 GMT
Skrtel is by far the worst at it. However there is little point in comparing. In fact, there is little point in the individual stopping it if they continually get away with it. Same with diving, until a deterrent is introduced they will remain widespread. Doesn't make it right but it isn't incorrect.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 21, 2014 9:28:33 GMT
Skrtel is by far the worst at it. However there is little point in comparing. In fact, there is little point in the individual stopping it if they continually get away with it. Same with diving, until a deterrent is introduced they will remain widespread. Doesn't make it right but it isn't incorrect. You can be guaranteed there will be a soft penalty on Tuesday to Newcastle though.
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