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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 10:14:38 GMT
For their goal yesterday he appeared not to have any idea where their striker was for the goal and people wonder I don't think he's a good defender.....
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 10:17:30 GMT
Post by robwahlmann on Sept 14, 2014 10:17:30 GMT
For their goal yesterday he appeared not to have any idea where their striker was for the goal and people wonder I don't think he's a good defender..... Wilson has been pretty solid and we have only conceded 3 goals in 4 games! The focus should be on our problem to convert chances which is our real problem!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 10:18:58 GMT
For their goal yesterday he appeared not to have any idea where their striker was for the goal and people wonder I don't think he's a good defender..... Wilson has been pretty solid and we have only conceded 3 goals in 4 games! The focus should be on our problem to convert chances which is our real problem! All 3 goals have an element of a Wilson mistake in but yeah he's not a problem we have.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 10:19:37 GMT
Post by sufolkstokie on Sept 14, 2014 10:19:37 GMT
For their goal yesterday he appeared not to have any idea where their striker was for the goal and people wonder I don't think he's a good defender..... Wilson has been pretty solid and we have only conceded 3 goals in 4 games! The focus should be on our problem to convert chances which is our real problem! Indeed - Wilson is the least of our problems right now
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 10:21:30 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 14, 2014 10:21:30 GMT
Agreed on both points Wilson lost his man but the problem is the other end of the pitch. That said I'd love to see Huth Back in for his fighting spirit but also because he's a real threat at set pieces. Wilsons better on the ball but we don't need Beckenbaur just someone who can pass it to a more gifted player.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 10:22:28 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 10:22:28 GMT
Wilson has been pretty solid and we have only conceded 3 goals in 4 games! The focus should be on our problem to convert chances which is our real problem! Indeed - Wilson is the least of our problems right now Apart from playing a part in all of the goals we've conceded you mean? The Hull and yesterdays being the worst. I'm sorry having a centre half in the side who doesn't actually know where the opposition striker is a massive part of the problem. We've never been prolific but always had a solid centre half partnership. This bloke is Danny Collinsesqe with the level of basic mistakes he makes that really hurt us.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 10:23:19 GMT
Post by robwahlmann on Sept 14, 2014 10:23:19 GMT
Wilson has been pretty solid and we have only conceded 3 goals in 4 games! The focus should be on our problem to convert chances which is our real problem! All 3 goals have an element of a Wilson mistake in but yeah he's not a problem we have. I think Bego was more to blame for our two first goals, but I really can't see him as our problem!
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 10:23:33 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 10:23:33 GMT
Agreed on both points Wilson lost his man but the problem is the other end of the pitch. That said I'd love to see Huth Back in for his fighting spirit but also because he's a real threat at set pieces. Wilsons better on the ball but we don't need Beckenbaur just someone who can pass it to a more gifted player. Cut the silly mistakes, we get a point.... It's part of the problem.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 10:26:45 GMT
Post by robwahlmann on Sept 14, 2014 10:26:45 GMT
Agreed on both points Wilson lost his man but the problem is the other end of the pitch. That said I'd love to see Huth Back in for his fighting spirit but also because he's a real threat at set pieces. Wilsons better on the ball but we don't need Beckenbaur just someone who can pass it to a more gifted player. Cut the silly mistakes, we get a point.... It's part of the problem. If somebody had said we would only concede 3 goals in our first 4 games I would have benn satisfied with that! I would certainly have believed we would score more than 2 and only have 4 points!
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Post by hatchett on Sept 14, 2014 10:28:11 GMT
I'm fed up of banging on about Wilson.
I also live in Ireland and have many friends who follow ROI, weall agree on the same point. He's not a centre back at all and never will be, he switches off far too much during a game to be a CB and will always have one or tow slip ups during the match which cost goals. He did thus in ROI game vs Georgia and he did yesterday.
To me we did not address the CB position in the summer and I think we could suffer.
Huth - still not match fit and were all not sure if he ever will be. Also he's not really ever played the Hughes way and may never will mould if he gets match fit.
Texeria - young and one who needs to develop for the future.
Cameron - also not a true CB and we saw that in the WC
Muniesa - would you play him there?
Why we never attempted to sign players like Daniel Agger or Matiha Natasic is beyond me. .
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 10:28:11 GMT
Post by sufolkstokie on Sept 14, 2014 10:28:11 GMT
Indeed - Wilson is the least of our problems right now Apart from playing a part in all of the goals we've conceded you mean? The Hull and yesterdays being the worst. I'm sorry having a centre half in the side who doesn't actually know where the opposition striker is a massive part of the problem. We've never been prolific but always had a solid centre half partnership. This bloke is Danny Collinsesqe with the level of basic mistakes he makes that really hurt us. Picking out individual players was not the issue for me yesterday Hughes got his tactics wrong and did not respond when it was obvious how it was playing out His subs were bizzare
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Sept 14, 2014 10:28:43 GMT
bayern is spot on about Wilson because for me he has a mistake in him every game which at the minute is costing us.Yes he might be better with the ball at his feet than Huth BUT HE'S THERE TO DEFEND and for me the sooner Huth returns the better.I'm pretty sure Huth could pass it to Pieters and back to Shawcross just as well as Wilson does by the way.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 14, 2014 10:31:16 GMT
I keep saying it but the sooner Huth and Ryan are reunited the better.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 14, 2014 10:34:01 GMT
I thought it was Bardsley who looked dizzy and confused as the ball came in?
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 10:34:06 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 10:34:06 GMT
Apart from playing a part in all of the goals we've conceded you mean? The Hull and yesterdays being the worst. I'm sorry having a centre half in the side who doesn't actually know where the opposition striker is a massive part of the problem. We've never been prolific but always had a solid centre half partnership. This bloke is Danny Collinsesqe with the level of basic mistakes he makes that really hurt us. Picking out individual players was not the issue for me yesterday Hughes got his tactics wrong and did not respond when it was obvious how it was playing out His subs were bizzare Oh Hughes completely fucked up no doubt. But Wilson is costing us points, he did last season, he is this.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 10:35:58 GMT
Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 14, 2014 10:35:58 GMT
I thought it was Bardsley who looked dizzy and confused as the ball came in? I thought he was the only one who seemed to know what he was doing. The centre halves, Pieters and Walters are all in a tizz and Christ knows who should've been tracking Konchesky.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 10:37:31 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 10:37:31 GMT
I thought it was Bardsley who looked dizzy and confused as the ball came in? What pissed me off is that Bardsley, Shawcross and Wilson are all where they should be, it should have been dealt with. Bardsley should stop the cross....but our full backs never stop crosses. Pieters is waaaaay out of position, absolutely dreadful from him. Walters fills in for Pieters for phase 1, then phase 2 he switches off, stops and doesn't cover, absolutely brainless. Wilson should know where Ulloa, it's his man but he has no sodding idea until it's too late. For me he just hasn't got a defensive instinct. A good centre half marks his man and stops the goal.
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Post by hatchett on Sept 14, 2014 10:37:41 GMT
If our defence is solid and tight then that breeds confidence throughout the team especially with our pace. Wilson does not instil confidence at the back as he's prone to one or two mistakes that will cost us the game.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 10:38:12 GMT
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 14, 2014 10:38:12 GMT
I'm not sure that anybody covers themselves in glory, really. I should say here that I haven't watched a replay so this is just from my memory. For most of the Leicester move, our players are all out of position. Walters is covering in the middle, nobody covers the flank, Bardsley is too slow stopping the cross coming in amd Wilson loses the player he's been man marking all game. It was poor all round.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 10:40:31 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 10:40:31 GMT
I'm not sure that anybody covers themselves in glory, really. I should say here that I haven't watched a replay so this is just from my memory. For most of the Leicester move, our players are all out of position. Walters is covering in the middle, nobody covers the flank, Bardsley is too slow stopping the cross coming in amd Wilson loses the player he's been man marking all game. It was poor all round. It is MD but it's another in a long line of fuck ups that cost from Wilson. And a fuck up that is basic defending. We can't have someone like him in the side.
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Post by hatchett on Sept 14, 2014 10:42:07 GMT
I'm not sure that anybody covers themselves in glory, really. I should say here that I haven't watched a replay so this is just from my memory. For most of the Leicester move, our players are all out of position. Walters is covering in the middle, nobody covers the flank, Bardsley is too slow stopping the cross coming in amd Wilson loses the player he's been man marking all game. It was poor all round. It is MD but it's another in a long line of fuck ups that cost from Wilson. And a fuck up that is basic defending. We can't have someone like him in the side. I have to agree to that 100%.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 10:43:00 GMT
Post by wuzza on Sept 14, 2014 10:43:00 GMT
We really need to find out the situation with Huth sooner rather than later. I have a nagging feeling that his mobility has been impaired that little bit more by the latest injury and that he is going to be 'found out' by some of the league's nippier forwards. If that is the case we really do need to look for a replacement because all the players we have in reserve for the position are part-time centre-halves at best. I think Wilson has done pretty well but felt more comfortable with him at full back rather than in the middle.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 10:45:02 GMT
Post by sufolkstokie on Sept 14, 2014 10:45:02 GMT
I'm not sure that anybody covers themselves in glory, really. I should say here that I haven't watched a replay so this is just from my memory. For most of the Leicester move, our players are all out of position. Walters is covering in the middle, nobody covers the flank, Bardsley is too slow stopping the cross coming in amd Wilson loses the player he's been man marking all game. It was poor all round. It is MD but it's another in a long line of fuck ups that cost from Wilson. And a fuck up that is basic defending. We can't have someone like him in the side. It is not just him though Pieters is caught out of position once or twice every game Begovic yesterday looked shaky again - especially one occasion which we got away with when he should have come out for the ball but backed off leaving Bardsley and Shawcross in no man's land
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Sept 14, 2014 10:45:10 GMT
Whilst we're on about defenders i also think its time for Pieters to have a spell on the bench because for me he's had a dodgy start to the season also imo. Bardsley,Shawcross,Huth,Muniesa next week would be my choice.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 10:46:33 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 10:46:33 GMT
It is MD but it's another in a long line of fuck ups that cost from Wilson. And a fuck up that is basic defending. We can't have someone like him in the side. It is not just him though Pieters is caught out of position once or twice every game Begovic yesterday looked shaky again - especially one occasion which we got away with when he should have come out for the ball but backed off leaving Bardsley and Shawcross in no man's land Pieters is becoming an issue with his ball chasing, no doubt about it but he's got money in the bank. Bego was fine yesterday bar that one as you say. He looked a lot more reassuring than he has done to me.
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Post by hatchett on Sept 14, 2014 10:47:10 GMT
We really need to find out the situation with Huth sooner rather than later. I have a nagging feeling that his mobility has been impaired that little bit more by the latest injury and that he is going to be 'found out' by some of the league's nippier forwards. If that is the case we really do need to look for a replacement because all the players we have in reserve for the position are part-time centre-halves at best. I think Wilson has done pretty well but felt more comfortable with him at full back rather than in the middle. So why did we not try to address this in the transfer window? Watching Daniel Agger leave the premier league to play for Bronby ( I know he's Danish) but surely another two seasons in the premier league on 50k per week would of turned his head.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 10:48:01 GMT
Post by sufolkstokie on Sept 14, 2014 10:48:01 GMT
It is not just him though Pieters is caught out of position once or twice every game Begovic yesterday looked shaky again - especially one occasion which we got away with when he should have come out for the ball but backed off leaving Bardsley and Shawcross in no man's land Pieters is becoming an issue with his ball chasing, no doubt about it but he's got money in the bank. Bego was fine yesterday bar that one as you say. He looked a lot more reassuring than he has done to me. At Man City, the back four and Beg were talking to each other all the time Yesterday they didn't
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 10:50:31 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 10:50:31 GMT
Pieters is becoming an issue with his ball chasing, no doubt about it but he's got money in the bank. Bego was fine yesterday bar that one as you say. He looked a lot more reassuring than he has done to me. At Man City, the back four and Beg were talking to each other all the time Yesterday they didn't I thought they were untroubled bar the goal tbh. But that's the issue especially with Wilson he can look like fine all game and then make one mistake and we're fucked. I think of him like a duck, above water he looks calm but deep down he's all over the place.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 10:52:56 GMT
Post by sufolkstokie on Sept 14, 2014 10:52:56 GMT
At Man City, the back four and Beg were talking to each other all the time Yesterday they didn't I thought they were untroubled bar the goal tbh. But that's the issue especially with Wilson he can look like fine all game and then make one mistake and we're fucked. I think of him like a duck, above water he looks calm but deep down he's all over the place. Do you have a dartboard with his face on it
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 10:54:09 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 14, 2014 10:54:09 GMT
Whilst we're on about defenders i also think its time for Pieters to have a spell on the bench because for me he's had a dodgy start to the season also imo. Bardsley,Shawcross,Huth,Muniesa next week would be my choice. Muniesa isn't fit either and was hopelessly short when he came on. He could barely even run!
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