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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 0:34:09 GMT
Some couple of insightful posts to Gazza as a player there that answered my question perfectly ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) . Codeye, you shouldn't be saying he is better off dead. No one is. He needs help from loved ones who can get him through this. And I thought my McQueen comment was naff . I think saying he may be better off dead and is better off dead is completely different. He is showing no signs of turning his life around, and as sad as it is at the moment he is dragging his life out. You may read it as you will but don't make it into something it is not.
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Post by entropy92 on Sept 10, 2014 0:37:11 GMT
Just a thought for everyone making judgements on Paul Gascoigne. He was born to play football which he did better than 99% of anyone else, he never asked for media attention and all the other pressures that came with it. Unfortunately alchohol became a way to deal with it and it has dragged him into a steady spiral which he is trying to fight against, its not as easy as people make out!
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Post by tonk1985 on Sept 10, 2014 1:05:24 GMT
I am of the age that gazza was in the only England team I have watched that may have actually done sumthing there for as a English man what a hero and such a shame to watch a man of his caliber go from that to what he is now is sad gud luck gazza
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 10, 2014 5:57:14 GMT
Just a thought for everyone making judgements on Paul Gascoigne. He was born to play football which he did better than 99% of anyone else, he never asked for media attention and all the other pressures that came with it. Unfortunately alchohol became a way to deal with it and it has dragged him into a steady spiral which he is trying to fight against, its not as easy as people make out! He almost certainly had some mental health issues before the alcohol came on the scene. Tough one...
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 10, 2014 7:22:30 GMT
Just a thought for everyone making judgements on Paul Gascoigne. He was born to play football which he did better than 99% of anyone else, he never asked for media attention and all the other pressures that came with it. Unfortunately alchohol became a way to deal with it and it has dragged him into a steady spiral which he is trying to fight against, its not as easy as people make out! He almost certainly had some mental health issues before the alcohol came on the scene. Tough one... He did. He's been very open about it. Also the years as a footballer have probably helped his mental health because of the security of doing something he loves and is good at and having to maintain a level of health and fitness throughout those years. IMHO addiction is one symptom of the plethora of issues he has.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 8:13:20 GMT
Have any of you who are slating Gazza ever met him? I've been extremely lucky to of spent time in his company, and he's a very charming and generally funny guy. He hates that he can't beat the problems he fights just to get through each day, he wants nothing more but to be free from the trappings of his addictions. He went out of his way to avoid any form of alcohol and wouldn't even be in the vicinity of the smell of it when I met him.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 10, 2014 8:23:39 GMT
Have any of you who are slating Gazza ever met him? I've been extremely lucky to of spent time in his company, and he's a very charming and generally funny guy. He hates that he can't beat the problems he fights just to get through each day, he wants nothing more but to be free from the trappings of his addictions. He went out of his way to avoid any form of alcohol and wouldn't even be in the vicinity of the smell of it when I met him. In one of his books Terry Venables says the thing with Gazza is he gets very distressed and upset when he lets people down. This is symptomatic of his problems.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 10, 2014 11:04:56 GMT
Just a thought for everyone making judgements on Paul Gascoigne. He was born to play football which he did better than 99% of anyone else, he never asked for media attention and all the other pressures that came with it. Unfortunately alchohol became a way to deal with it and it has dragged him into a steady spiral which he is trying to fight against, its not as easy as people make out! People are very judgemental unfortunately. Mostly people in glass houses.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 10, 2014 11:47:42 GMT
He is supposed to be skint but he has recently turned down the offer of a job from 'Arry Rednap, lives in a luxury apartment at Sandbanks and plays golf most days, not to mention his boozing. Where the f@ k does he get his money from?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 10, 2014 11:57:57 GMT
The thing that pisses me off with Gazza is he's tried to sort his act out about 378 times and every single time he's reverted back to swigging booze and falling over dustbins, now either he hasn't got the willpower he needs to stop drinking, in which case he either needs to book himself into rehab for a proper amount of time not just a month or two, or he needs to get rid of the leeches he surrounds himself with like that cunt five-bellies and find solace in a new group, or he might not want to stop, and with how far gone into alcoholism he is this is probably quite likely, I'm in my early twenties so I was only practically a foetus when he was in his prime, but I've never known him as a footballer, I grew up knowing him as this ex-footballing alcoholic, every time I saw another news bulletin about him I'd ask my dad "Was he any good?" And he'd say he was a sublimely talented footballer, but, looking at this rambling mess on the screen I found it hard to believe.
There's a point where I lose sympathy with some addicts, when they've been taking a substance for that long and have repeatedly relapsed, even if they've actually sought help numerous times and have promised their loved ones they'll straighten themselves out, only to completely crush their hopes again and again when they say they're back on whatever they were addicted to, and that is my feelings towards Gazza, unless he makes a proper fist of trying to claw himself back to reality and stops dishing out chicken to people that shoot police officers, then maybe I'll sympathise with his plight again, but until that point I've got borderline contempt for him with the situations he repeatedly gets himself into.
When he does leave this mortal coil, which, sadly, won't be much further into the future if he carries on the way he is doing, he won't be remembered as Gazza the footballer, he'll be remembered as Gazza the waster, and I'm sure if you asked him he'd much rather be remembered for his ability on a football pitch, and not for being spotted queueing at Bargain Booze.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 12:07:30 GMT
The thing that pisses me off with Gazza is he's tried to sort his act out about 378 times and every single time he's reverted back to swigging booze and falling over dustbins, now either he hasn't got the willpower he needs to stop drinking, in which case he either needs to book himself into rehab for a proper amount of time not just a month or two, or he needs to get rid of the leeches he surrounds himself with like that cunt five-bellies and find solace in a new group, or he might not want to stop, and with how far gone into alcoholism he is this is probably quite likely, I'm in my early twenties so I was only practically a foetus when he was in his prime, but I've never known him as a footballer, I grew up knowing him as this ex-footballing alcoholic, every time I saw another news bulletin about him I'd ask my dad "Was he any good?" And he'd say he was a sublimely talented footballer, but, looking at this rambling mess on the screen I found it hard to believe. There's a point where I lose sympathy with some addicts, when they've been taking a substance for that long and have repeatedly relapsed, even if they've actually sought help numerous times and have promised their loved ones they'll straighten themselves out, only to completely crush their hopes again and again when they say they're back on whatever they were addicted to, and that is my feelings towards Gazza, unless he makes a proper fist of trying to claw himself back to reality and stops dishing out chicken to people that shoot police officers, then maybe I'll sympathise with his plight again, but until that point I've got borderline contempt for him with the situations he repeatedly gets himself into. When he does leave this mortal coil, which, sadly, won't be much further into the future if he carries on the way he is doing, he won't be remembered as Gazza the footballer, he'll be remembered as Gazza the waster, and I'm sure if you asked him he'd much rather be remembered for his ability on a football pitch, and not for being spotted queueing at Bargain Booze. Not having a dig here, but just a question, do you actually know why he reverts back to drinking? I can tell you now he hates it, he hates that he lets people down, then the viscous circle starts, because he can't cope with letting people down he drinks, which he knows he lets people down by doing it, so he drinks again and so the cycle starts again.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 10, 2014 12:13:47 GMT
The thing that pisses me off with Gazza is he's tried to sort his act out about 378 times and every single time he's reverted back to swigging booze and falling over dustbins, now either he hasn't got the willpower he needs to stop drinking, in which case he either needs to book himself into rehab for a proper amount of time not just a month or two, or he needs to get rid of the leeches he surrounds himself with like that cunt five-bellies and find solace in a new group, or he might not want to stop, and with how far gone into alcoholism he is this is probably quite likely, I'm in my early twenties so I was only practically a foetus when he was in his prime, but I've never known him as a footballer, I grew up knowing him as this ex-footballing alcoholic, every time I saw another news bulletin about him I'd ask my dad "Was he any good?" And he'd say he was a sublimely talented footballer, but, looking at this rambling mess on the screen I found it hard to believe. There's a point where I lose sympathy with some addicts, when they've been taking a substance for that long and have repeatedly relapsed, even if they've actually sought help numerous times and have promised their loved ones they'll straighten themselves out, only to completely crush their hopes again and again when they say they're back on whatever they were addicted to, and that is my feelings towards Gazza, unless he makes a proper fist of trying to claw himself back to reality and stops dishing out chicken to people that shoot police officers, then maybe I'll sympathise with his plight again, but until that point I've got borderline contempt for him with the situations he repeatedly gets himself into. When he does leave this mortal coil, which, sadly, won't be much further into the future if he carries on the way he is doing, he won't be remembered as Gazza the footballer, he'll be remembered as Gazza the waster, and I'm sure if you asked him he'd much rather be remembered for his ability on a football pitch, and not for being spotted queueing at Bargain Booze. Not having a dig here, but just a question, do you actually know why he reverts back to drinking? I can tell you now he hates it, he hates that he lets people down, then the viscous circle starts, because he can't cope with letting people down he drinks, which he knows he lets people down by doing it, so he drinks again and so the cycle starts again. No, I don't, but this is where I get confused with addicts, they hate the substance they take, they hate themselves for taking it and they hate the damage they know they're doing to their loved ones yet they still carry on, I understand addiction is a vile thing that takes a hell of a long time to bounce back from but I can't grasp why they keep choosing to do it to themselves even when the opportunities are there to stop, is it because it's an easy way to block reality out? Is it because they're scared of the effects stopping will have on them? I genuinely don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 12:14:16 GMT
The thing that pisses me off with Gazza is he's tried to sort his act out about 378 times and every single time he's reverted back to swigging booze and falling over dustbins, now either he hasn't got the willpower he needs to stop drinking, in which case he either needs to book himself into rehab for a proper amount of time not just a month or two, or he needs to get rid of the leeches he surrounds himself with like that cunt five-bellies and find solace in a new group, or he might not want to stop, and with how far gone into alcoholism he is this is probably quite likely, I'm in my early twenties so I was only practically a foetus when he was in his prime, but I've never known him as a footballer, I grew up knowing him as this ex-footballing alcoholic, every time I saw another news bulletin about him I'd ask my dad "Was he any good?" And he'd say he was a sublimely talented footballer, but, looking at this rambling mess on the screen I found it hard to believe. There's a point where I lose sympathy with some addicts, when they've been taking a substance for that long and have repeatedly relapsed, even if they've actually sought help numerous times and have promised their loved ones they'll straighten themselves out, only to completely crush their hopes again and again when they say they're back on whatever they were addicted to, and that is my feelings towards Gazza, unless he makes a proper fist of trying to claw himself back to reality and stops dishing out chicken to people that shoot police officers, then maybe I'll sympathise with his plight again, but until that point I've got borderline contempt for him with the situations he repeatedly gets himself into. When he does leave this mortal coil, which, sadly, won't be much further into the future if he carries on the way he is doing, he won't be remembered as Gazza the footballer, he'll be remembered as Gazza the waster, and I'm sure if you asked him he'd much rather be remembered for his ability on a football pitch, and not for being spotted queueing at Bargain Booze. he may be remembered by those who didn't see him as "Gazza the waster" but i can more or less guarantee that those of us that did see him in his prime will ALWAYS remember him as "Gazza the footballing genius and best player England turned out in generations" no-one thinks of George Best and just remember him for being an alky do they? he's still (rightly) seen as one of the all time greats, what he did off the pitch may have got more headlines in his later years but those headlines in no way detracted from the memories of his footballing years...it will be the same for Gazza absolute fucking legend (in footballing terms) and far and away, by miles, leagues ahead of any English footballer i've ever seen in my lifetime. just wish to god we could turn back time and stop him from making that stupid tackle on Gary Charles which is when his career started to go downhill and instead of him moving onwards and upwards to claim his place as the best in the world (which i have absolutely no doubts he would have achieved) he ended up with a bad spell at Lazio where he never really settled and then at clubs over here who never would have even got close to his signature if his career had continued to progress.
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Post by lordb on Sept 10, 2014 12:25:29 GMT
Not having a dig here, but just a question, do you actually know why he reverts back to drinking? I can tell you now he hates it, he hates that he lets people down, then the viscous circle starts, because he can't cope with letting people down he drinks, which he knows he lets people down by doing it, so he drinks again and so the cycle starts again. No, I don't, but this is where I get confused with addicts, they hate the substance they take, they hate themselves for taking it and they hate the damage they know they're doing to their loved ones yet they still carry on, I understand addiction is a vile thing that takes a hell of a long time to bounce back from but I can't grasp why they keep choosing to do it to themselves even when the opportunities are there to stop, is it because it's an easy way to block reality out? Is it because they're scared of the effects stopping will have on them? I genuinely don't know. You are trying to see the situation logicaly. There is no logic to it. No idea what the answer is only that some people beat it & many don't.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 12:29:55 GMT
The thing that pisses me off with Gazza is he's tried to sort his act out about 378 times and every single time he's reverted back to swigging booze and falling over dustbins, now either he hasn't got the willpower he needs to stop drinking, in which case he either needs to book himself into rehab for a proper amount of time not just a month or two, or he needs to get rid of the leeches he surrounds himself with like that cunt five-bellies and find solace in a new group, or he might not want to stop, and with how far gone into alcoholism he is this is probably quite likely, I'm in my early twenties so I was only practically a foetus when he was in his prime, but I've never known him as a footballer, I grew up knowing him as this ex-footballing alcoholic, every time I saw another news bulletin about him I'd ask my dad "Was he any good?" And he'd say he was a sublimely talented footballer, but, looking at this rambling mess on the screen I found it hard to believe. There's a point where I lose sympathy with some addicts, when they've been taking a substance for that long and have repeatedly relapsed, even if they've actually sought help numerous times and have promised their loved ones they'll straighten themselves out, only to completely crush their hopes again and again when they say they're back on whatever they were addicted to, and that is my feelings towards Gazza, unless he makes a proper fist of trying to claw himself back to reality and stops dishing out chicken to people that shoot police officers, then maybe I'll sympathise with his plight again, but until that point I've got borderline contempt for him with the situations he repeatedly gets himself into. When he does leave this mortal coil, which, sadly, won't be much further into the future if he carries on the way he is doing, he won't be remembered as Gazza the footballer, he'll be remembered as Gazza the waster, and I'm sure if you asked him he'd much rather be remembered for his ability on a football pitch, and not for being spotted queueing at Bargain Booze. he may be remembered by those who didn't see him as "Gazza the waster" but i can more or less guarantee that those of us that did see him in his prime will ALWAYS remember him as "Gazza the footballing genius and best player England turned out in generations" no-one thinks of George Best and just remember him for being an alky do they? he's still (rightly) seen as one of the all time greats, what he did off the pitch may have got more headlines in his later years but those headlines in no way detracted from the memories of his footballing years...it will be the same for Gazza absolute fucking legend (in footballing terms) and far and away, by miles, leagues ahead of any English footballer i've ever seen in my lifetime. just wish to god we could turn back time and stop him from making that stupid tackle on Gary Charles which is when his career started to go downhill and instead of him moving onwards and upwards to claim his place as the best in the world (which i have absolutely no doubts he would have achieved) he ended up with a bad spell at Lazio where he never really settled and then at clubs over here who never would have even got close to his signature if his career had continued to progress. Gazza was a footballing legend, he was proud, passionate not only to play for his club but for England. He played with a smile and to win, not just turn up. I fail to see how he doesn't get the adulation the likes if Maradona, Cruyff, etc get.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 12:33:34 GMT
No, I don't, but this is where I get confused with addicts, they hate the substance they take, they hate themselves for taking it and they hate the damage they know they're doing to their loved ones yet they still carry on, I understand addiction is a vile thing that takes a hell of a long time to bounce back from but I can't grasp why they keep choosing to do it to themselves even when the opportunities are there to stop, is it because it's an easy way to block reality out? Is it because they're scared of the effects stopping will have on them? I genuinely don't know. You are trying to see the situation logicaly. There is no logic to it. No idea what the answer is only that some people beat it & many don't. there's also the fact that the human body creates a physical dependency upon the drug that people abuse, it's not simply a psychological problem where you can go to a counsellor and think positive thoughts etc. it's also a physiological one where without the drug your body reacts physically. willpower can help for the psychological impact of dependency and addiction but won't cure you of the physiological impact that quitting will have on your body and all it's major organs (including the brain's ability to make sound and rational judgments) people thinking just going into rehab for a bit and getting rid of 5 bellies will do the trick, no problems, piece of piss may want to read up a bit on dependency and addiction and educate themselves a bit more before casting judgment.
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Post by nik80 on Sept 10, 2014 12:44:02 GMT
He's trying his best...I'm not sure if he'll succeed. I hope he does. He needs more direction and focus/support. , a good woman . It's have to be one hell of an understanding chick to put up with Gazza! Most gifted English footballer in my lifetime certainly, hate watching his sorry, pitiful demise. Too far gone to turn it round, part of me wishes it would end for him. Death would hurt a lot less than his life must be ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/4tzqvp1fxEemag_TAXLJ.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 13:12:21 GMT
The passion Gazza has for England, the Gazza bandwagon the F.A jumped on in his prime, the talent Gazza had, I would of thought that maybe, just maybe that the F.A would of found a coaching role for him, even if it's for the under 18's or setting up something than can produce a team of players with the talent Gazza had. If he got something that he's passionate about, and his life was football then that might give him the focus to beat his demons as easily as he could beat his opponents.
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 10, 2014 13:22:08 GMT
He's trying his best...I'm not sure if he'll succeed. I hope he does. He needs more direction and focus/support. , a good woman . It's have to be one hell of an understanding chick to put up with Gazza! Most gifted English footballer in my lifetime certainly, hate watching his sorry, pitiful demise. Too far gone to turn it round, part of me wishes it would end for him. Death would hurt a lot less than his life must be ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/4tzqvp1fxEemag_TAXLJ.gif) He had a decent woman and he knocked her about from pillar to post !!!!!
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Post by metalhead on Sept 10, 2014 14:02:40 GMT
The thing that pisses me off with Gazza is he's tried to sort his act out about 378 times and every single time he's reverted back to swigging booze and falling over dustbins, now either he hasn't got the willpower he needs to stop drinking, in which case he either needs to book himself into rehab for a proper amount of time not just a month or two, or he needs to get rid of the leeches he surrounds himself with like that cunt five-bellies and find solace in a new group, or he might not want to stop, and with how far gone into alcoholism he is this is probably quite likely, I'm in my early twenties so I was only practically a foetus when he was in his prime, but I've never known him as a footballer, I grew up knowing him as this ex-footballing alcoholic, every time I saw another news bulletin about him I'd ask my dad "Was he any good?" And he'd say he was a sublimely talented footballer, but, looking at this rambling mess on the screen I found it hard to believe. There's a point where I lose sympathy with some addicts, when they've been taking a substance for that long and have repeatedly relapsed, even if they've actually sought help numerous times and have promised their loved ones they'll straighten themselves out, only to completely crush their hopes again and again when they say they're back on whatever they were addicted to, and that is my feelings towards Gazza, unless he makes a proper fist of trying to claw himself back to reality and stops dishing out chicken to people that shoot police officers, then maybe I'll sympathise with his plight again, but until that point I've got borderline contempt for him with the situations he repeatedly gets himself into. When he does leave this mortal coil, which, sadly, won't be much further into the future if he carries on the way he is doing, he won't be remembered as Gazza the footballer, he'll be remembered as Gazza the waster, and I'm sure if you asked him he'd much rather be remembered for his ability on a football pitch, and not for being spotted queueing at Bargain Booze. he may be remembered by those who didn't see him as "Gazza the waster" but i can more or less guarantee that those of us that did see him in his prime will ALWAYS remember him as "Gazza the footballing genius and best player England turned out in generations" no-one thinks of George Best and just remember him for being an alky do they? he's still (rightly) seen as one of the all time greats, what he did off the pitch may have got more headlines in his later years but those headlines in no way detracted from the memories of his footballing years...it will be the same for Gazza absolute fucking legend (in footballing terms) and far and away, by miles, leagues ahead of any English footballer i've ever seen in my lifetime. just wish to god we could turn back time and stop him from making that stupid tackle on Gary Charles which is when his career started to go downhill and instead of him moving onwards and upwards to claim his place as the best in the world (which i have absolutely no doubts he would have achieved) he ended up with a bad spell at Lazio where he never really settled and then at clubs over here who never would have even got close to his signature if his career had continued to progress. Mick, I was unfortunate enough to only see Gazza in his later years (I can just about remember him from Euro 96) yet even for me, he is still the finest English player I've ever seen. A truly wonderful talent. The best in my lifetime and probably for generations before then (albeit ones I never witnessed). I have a very soft spot for Gazza. I remember going into school, me and my friends tried (and failed) to replicate that goal against Scotland for weeks afterwards. Certainly not 'Gazza the waster' in my eyes.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 10, 2014 14:15:25 GMT
Gazza was a footballing legend, he was proud, passionate not only to play for his club but for England. He played with a smile and to win, not just turn up. I fail to see how he doesn't get the adulation the likes if Maradona, Cruyff, etc get. Maybe because he is too close to us, we see him as one of us, an ordinary bloke. Maybe the anger comes from our frustration that if we had that talent we would not of wasted it. Of course we'll never have that or know how we would react if we were to find ourselves in that situation because none of us, as far as I know, are supremely gifted footballers! If you read his autobiography his problems started way before he became famous.
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 10, 2014 14:21:25 GMT
It's have to be one hell of an understanding chick to put up with Gazza! Most gifted English footballer in my lifetime certainly, hate watching his sorry, pitiful demise. Too far gone to turn it round, part of me wishes it would end for him. Death would hurt a lot less than his life must be ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/4tzqvp1fxEemag_TAXLJ.gif) He had a decent woman and he knocked her about from pillar to post !!!!! Attachment DeletedIf I had something like at home Id be wrappin it in cotton wool How could you hurt that??? (Cue the jokes) ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 10, 2014 14:41:45 GMT
I'm trying to word this right and I'm struggling. I just hope he dies before any remaining dignity completely disappears. I'd hate for him to be remembered solely for being a drunken buffoon. He's a troubled bloke and I suspect he would have ended up like this far sooner had he not been a footballer. Bad influences, poor life choices and a mental weakness for alcohol have all but spelt the end for him.
It's easy to say that he's had more chances than most and he probably has but I just can't see him turning it around. He would have done so by now. Instead, he's gotten worse and worse.
It won't come as a shock to anybody when the headline is "RIP Gazza" but it'll be a sad day nevertheless. However, not as sad as his existence is at the moment. I'd rather him die tomorrow than see him making any more negative headlines. It's hard to watch.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 10, 2014 15:02:24 GMT
I'm trying to word this right and I'm struggling. I just hope he dies before any remaining dignity completely disappears. I'd hate for him to be remembered solely for being a drunken buffoon. He's a troubled bloke and I suspect he would have ended up like this far sooner had he not been a footballer. Bad influences, poor life choices and a mental weakness for alcohol have all but spelt the end for him. It's easy to say that he's had more chances than most and he probably has but I just can't see him turning it around. He would have done so by now. Instead, he's gotten worse and worse. It won't come as a shock to anybody when the headline is "RIP Gazza" but it'll be a sad day nevertheless. However, not as sad as his existence is at the moment. I'd rather him die tomorrow than see him making any more negative headlines. It's hard to watch. I hate to say it, but I still think if he'd moved to Man Utd under an incredibly strict Alex Ferguson, instead of Spurs under Venables who was quite happy to let his players out on the piss, who knows what would have happened? London made Gazza what he is. He mixed with the wrong crowd and was allowed to by his agents and management. That would not have happened at Manchester in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 15:05:57 GMT
I'm trying to word this right and I'm struggling. I just hope he dies before any remaining dignity completely disappears. I'd hate for him to be remembered solely for being a drunken buffoon. He's a troubled bloke and I suspect he would have ended up like this far sooner had he not been a footballer. Bad influences, poor life choices and a mental weakness for alcohol have all but spelt the end for him. It's easy to say that he's had more chances than most and he probably has but I just can't see him turning it around. He would have done so by now. Instead, he's gotten worse and worse. It won't come as a shock to anybody when the headline is "RIP Gazza" but it'll be a sad day nevertheless. However, not as sad as his existence is at the moment. I'd rather him die tomorrow than see him making any more negative headlines. It's hard to watch. I hate to say it, but I still think if he'd moved to Man Utd under an incredibly strict Alex Ferguson, instead of Spurs under Venables who was quite happy to let his players out on the piss, who knows what would have happened? London made Gazza what he is. He mixed with the wrong crowd and was allowed to by his agents and management. That would not have happened at Manchester in my opinion. Gazzas' problems started long before he went to Spurs. Whatever walk of life he was in or who ever managed him he was always going to struggle.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 15:08:20 GMT
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 10, 2014 15:24:50 GMT
Gazza was a footballing legend, he was proud, passionate not only to play for his club but for England. He played with a smile and to win, not just turn up. I fail to see how he doesn't get the adulation the likes if Maradona, Cruyff, etc get. Maybe because he is too close to us, we see him as one of us, an ordinary bloke. Maybe the anger comes from our frustration that if we had that talent we would not of wasted it. Of course we'll never have that or know how we would react if we were to find ourselves in that situation because none of us, as far as I know, are supremely gifted footballers! If you read his autobiography his problems started way before he became famous. Not supremely gifted footballers. Speak for yourself! Your sincerely John Walters ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 10, 2014 15:29:20 GMT
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Post by stokiet90 on Sept 10, 2014 15:51:47 GMT
The thing that pisses me off with Gazza is he's tried to sort his act out about 378 times and every single time he's reverted back to swigging booze and falling over dustbins, now either he hasn't got the willpower he needs to stop drinking, in which case he either needs to book himself into rehab for a proper amount of time not just a month or two, or he needs to get rid of the leeches he surrounds himself with like that cunt five-bellies and find solace in a new group, or he might not want to stop, and with how far gone into alcoholism he is this is probably quite likely, I'm in my early twenties so I was only practically a foetus when he was in his prime, but I've never known him as a footballer, I grew up knowing him as this ex-footballing alcoholic, every time I saw another news bulletin about him I'd ask my dad "Was he any good?" And he'd say he was a sublimely talented footballer, but, looking at this rambling mess on the screen I found it hard to believe. There's a point where I lose sympathy with some addicts, when they've been taking a substance for that long and have repeatedly relapsed, even if they've actually sought help numerous times and have promised their loved ones they'll straighten themselves out, only to completely crush their hopes again and again when they say they're back on whatever they were addicted to, and that is my feelings towards Gazza, unless he makes a proper fist of trying to claw himself back to reality and stops dishing out chicken to people that shoot police officers, then maybe I'll sympathise with his plight again, but until that point I've got borderline contempt for him with the situations he repeatedly gets himself into. When he does leave this mortal coil, which, sadly, won't be much further into the future if he carries on the way he is doing, he won't be remembered as Gazza the footballer, he'll be remembered as Gazza the waster, and I'm sure if you asked him he'd much rather be remembered for his ability on a football pitch, and not for being spotted queueing at Bargain Booze. don't think he will be remembered as gazza the Easter at all. I'm in my early twenties as well and I still have a fair few memories of his footballing ability or goals he's scored or seeing the passion he had when he played for England. You can't judge people with addictions until you have been in the same situation. Do you really think. He is happy and enjoying his life? Do you think he's proud of himself? I'm sure he's not proud of hurting people around him but I genuinely think its impossible for him to stop not many people survive addictions and it seems that gazza is going to be one of them that doesn't unfortunately.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 10, 2014 16:04:22 GMT
What speaks volumes is how many of us are sort of prepared for his death. It's just so sad. As it is when anyone has to carry the burdens of addiction and mental illness.
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