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Post by metalhead on Sept 10, 2014 16:27:28 GMT
I've seen that clip at 31 seconds about 100 times and I still think it's one of the best pieces of dribbling you'll ever see. There's no fancy step overs or tricks, but the amount of control he has over the ball is unbelievable. He isn't running blindly with no control of the ball a bit like Cameron Jerome. He has absolute control of the ball. It sticks to his feet when he wants it to, yet when he needs to get past that player he pushes it out just far enough so he knows he'll get past and retrieve the ball. Incredible skill and for me, a piece of footage that kids should base their own dribbling ability on. It's not just about how many step overs you can do in 5 seconds. It's about being able to control the ball while running and by god he could do that.
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Post by nik80 on Sept 10, 2014 16:35:36 GMT
Of course, there is no actual mention in the article that Gazza was pissed when he ditched the buggy here.....
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Post by metalhead on Sept 10, 2014 17:21:43 GMT
Of course, there is no actual mention in the article that Gazza was pissed when he ditched the buggy here..... He might not have been.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 17:23:02 GMT
Gazza was a genius and I feel sorry for him.
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Post by robstokie on Sept 10, 2014 17:30:41 GMT
I am beginning to think he is better off dead. If he was not a famous footballer he would just be a low life or scumbag who has wasted his life. There is no coming back from the situation he is in, and he will always lose his battle against alcohol. If anyone else finds themselves in this situation, find a hobby you feel passionate about and direct your energy towards that instead of becoming a loser. Wow, that's a bit judgmental, isn't it? True, he has an ongoing problem with the booze, but I don't think its entirely his fault, especially when you have the press jumping on him when he does have a relapse. Surely being plastered over the front of the daily rag would make him want to drink, if only to get away from it for a while. Plus (and im not trying to defend his habit, he is clearly lacking some sort of self-awareness and willpower), he had a tough upbringing, he saw his mate die under a car and he has no end of mental health issues that would be there, whether he had problems with booze or not. I know its frustrating to see someone who was once an icon hit rock-bottom with addiction issues or reckless behaviour for what seems to be the millionth time, but there is a fine line between genius and madness (look at Elvis, Wacko Jacko and Maradona) and is it really a surprise that Gazza, someone who played like they were from a different planet, might not be the average person when it comes to influencing factors. As for saying that you believe that he would be better off dead, im sorry but that is plain fucking wrong. Show some respect to quite possibly the greatest footballer that England has ever produced.
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Post by nik80 on Sept 10, 2014 18:28:25 GMT
Of course, there is no actual mention in the article that Gazza was pissed when he ditched the buggy here..... He might not have been. Exactly, that's what I mean. We're all seemingly lamenting about how this is yet another alcohol fuelled hammer blow to the life of Paul Gascoigne, yet not once does the article mention Gazza's state or condition. You expect stories like this to come out about Paul Gascoigne and be making the papers, but I can't help thinking that regardless of whether he had been pissed or not at the time, that is exactly what the reporter would like you to assume. Let's face it, it isn't like Gazza has ever "needed" to be pissed to do stupid things!
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 10, 2014 20:15:03 GMT
IMHO it wouldn't have made much difference if he'd gone Man Yoo instead of Spurs. The multitiude of problems would have reared themselves at some stage and as we know Ferguson would have just moved him on. Ferguson certainly wanted him though when he was at Newcastle. The only reason he went Spurs instead was because Spurs bought his parents a house.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 20:48:38 GMT
I am beginning to think he is better off dead. If he was not a famous footballer he would just be a low life or scumbag who has wasted his life. There is no coming back from the situation he is in, and he will always lose his battle against alcohol. If anyone else finds themselves in this situation, find a hobby you feel passionate about and direct your energy towards that instead of becoming a loser. Wow, that's a bit judgmental, isn't it? True, he has an ongoing problem with the booze, but I don't think its entirely his fault, especially when you have the press jumping on him when he does have a relapse. Surely being plastered over the front of the daily rag would make him want to drink, if only to get away from it for a while. Plus (and im not trying to defend his habit, he is clearly lacking some sort of self-awareness and willpower), he had a tough upbringing, he saw his mate die under a car and he has no end of mental health issues that would be there, whether he had problems with booze or not. I know its frustrating to see someone who was once an icon hit rock-bottom with addiction issues or reckless behaviour for what seems to be the millionth time, but there is a fine line between genius and madness (look at Elvis, Wacko Jacko and Maradona) and is it really a surprise that Gazza, someone who played like they were from a different planet, might not be the average person when it comes to influencing factors. As for saying that you believe that he would be better off dead, im sorry but that is plain fucking wrong. Show some respect to quite possibly the greatest footballer that England has ever produced. I don't wish to keep explaining myself, his life seems to be going in one direction. His actions probably cause a lot of distress to his close friends and family. I don't mean he is better off dead as i am sick of him, but because it is sad watching his life completely fall apart for everyone to see. It seems like we are already watching him die and it is as a fan i hate to see these stories. I just think there are a few people who don't understand my point. When he does sadly pass, there will be films and doccumentries about him and they will all concentrate more on the negative part of his life rather than what he should be remembered for. At the moment he just seems to be adding more fuel to the fire. I just will not make excuses for his actions, those choices are his whether he is drunk or not.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 20:53:35 GMT
IMHO it wouldn't have made much difference if he'd gone Man Yoo instead of Spurs. The multitiude of problems would have reared themselves at some stage and as we know Ferguson would have just moved him on. Ferguson certainly wanted him though when he was at Newcastle. The only reason he went Spurs instead was because Spurs bought his parents a house. He is not mentally weak though is he. He became a top class footballer, it was will power that drove him to do this. I agree going to man u would not have made much difference.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 10, 2014 22:18:43 GMT
Thing is one trait many addicts carry is a failure to accept responsibility. In his autobiography he writes about being booted out of the England squad in 1998. He never acknowledged perhaps there was a reason why he had to go. What Hoddle did was absolutely correct but Gascoigne couldn't get near why it had to be done and his own responsibility in it all. He just goes on about being let down.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 22:30:08 GMT
Thing is one trait many addicts carry is a failure to accept responsibility. In his autobiography he writes about being booted out of the England squad in 1998. He never acknowledged perhaps there was a reason why he had to go. What Hoddle did was absolutely correct but Gascoigne couldn't get near why it had to be done and his own responsibility in it all. He just goes on about being let down. Gazza's issues are not simply Football related ones. His issues started well before he became a professional footballer. What these issues are one can only speculate on. Too much trauma , too much expectation and adulation has only served to compound his problems and demise. He is a victim , but I think he also recognises that he is also partly responsible for his own actions. I believe that he is not capable of addressing these issues and as a result will suffer a slow painfull death.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 10, 2014 22:33:16 GMT
Thing is one trait many addicts carry is a failure to accept responsibility. In his autobiography he writes about being booted out of the England squad in 1998. He never acknowledged perhaps there was a reason why he had to go. What Hoddle did was absolutely correct but Gascoigne couldn't get near why it had to be done and his own responsibility in it all. He just goes on about being let down. Gazza's issues are not simply Football related ones. His issues started well before he became a professional footballer. What these issues are one can only speculate on. Too much trauma , too much expectation and adulation has only served to compound his problems and demise. He is a victim , but I think he also recognises that he is also partly responsible for his own actions. I believe that he is not capable of addressing these issues and as a result will suffer a slow painfull death. He might acknowledge them now but he didn't used to.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 22:43:14 GMT
Gazza's issues are not simply Football related ones. His issues started well before he became a professional footballer. What these issues are one can only speculate on. Too much trauma , too much expectation and adulation has only served to compound his problems and demise. He is a victim , but I think he also recognises that he is also partly responsible for his own actions. I believe that he is not capable of addressing these issues and as a result will suffer a slow painfull death. He might acknowledge them now but he didn't used to. That maybe true , but also reaffirms the point I'm making. He has been in denial for many years . This demise has simply been accelerated by wealth and public adulation. My point is that his problems would have surfaced sooner rather than later regardless of him becoming a professional footbaliing celebrity. His grasp on reality went many moons ago.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 23:23:19 GMT
In one of the pictures there is a can of Stella immediately next to the golf cart - make up your own minds as to how it got there.
Had the pleasure of seeing Gazza score twice when England beat Turkey 4-0. As a player, one of the all time greats. As a fried chicken courier, championship at best.
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Post by scfc2014 on Sept 11, 2014 3:31:18 GMT
think hes a dick i do
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Post by tijuanabrass on Sept 11, 2014 4:16:10 GMT
The booze is definitely affecting his speech. I saw him on telly the other week and I couldn't understand a word he said
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Post by tijuanabrass on Sept 11, 2014 4:16:42 GMT
Gazza not ScFC2014
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 11, 2014 6:59:41 GMT
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Post by petershiltonsmini on Sept 11, 2014 12:11:37 GMT
It's amazing how people talk about choices.
NO ONE chooses to be come an addict and very few addicts can reform (genuine addicts as opposed to alchohol/drug dependance).
He has hurt others around hime and has done some pretty stupid stuff but his condition is not a voluntary one.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 11, 2014 12:13:16 GMT
It's amazing how people talk about choices. NO ONE chooses to be come an addict and very few addicts can reform (genuine addicts as opposed to alchohol/drug dependance). He has hurt others around hime and has done some pretty stupid stuff but his condition is not a voluntary one. His situation does go a lot deeper than the addictions though.
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Post by tijuanabrass on Sept 11, 2014 23:21:53 GMT
I believe that the scientific term is "puddled."
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Post by greyman on Sept 12, 2014 4:05:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 6:43:05 GMT
Gazza was a genius and I feel sorry for him. That word gets banded around far too often nowadays, Gazza was a very good footballer but nothing more. Some of these folk however...
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 12, 2014 6:44:43 GMT
Wow, that's a bit judgmental, isn't it? True, he has an ongoing problem with the booze, but I don't think its entirely his fault, especially when you have the press jumping on him when he does have a relapse. Surely being plastered over the front of the daily rag would make him want to drink, if only to get away from it for a while. Plus (and im not trying to defend his habit, he is clearly lacking some sort of self-awareness and willpower), he had a tough upbringing, he saw his mate die under a car and he has no end of mental health issues that would be there, whether he had problems with booze or not. I know its frustrating to see someone who was once an icon hit rock-bottom with addiction issues or reckless behaviour for what seems to be the millionth time, but there is a fine line between genius and madness (look at Elvis, Wacko Jacko and Maradona) and is it really a surprise that Gazza, someone who played like they were from a different planet, might not be the average person when it comes to influencing factors. As for saying that you believe that he would be better off dead, im sorry but that is plain fucking wrong. Show some respect to quite possibly the greatest footballer that England has ever produced. I don't wish to keep explaining myself, his life seems to be going in one direction. His actions probably cause a lot of distress to his close friends and family. I don't mean he is better off dead as i am sick of him, but because it is sad watching his life completely fall apart for everyone to see. It seems like we are already watching him die and it is as a fan i hate to see these stories. I just think there are a few people who don't understand my point. When he does sadly pass, there will be films and doccumentries about him and they will all concentrate more on the negative part of his life rather than what he should be remembered for. At the moment he just seems to be adding more fuel to the fire. I just will not make excuses for his actions, those choices are his whether he is drunk or not. Gazza's had severe mental health issues all of his life. He didn't choose to be that way. Your comments throughout this thread come across as ignorant.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 7:29:12 GMT
Regardless of whether its his fault or whatever, I'm just extremely sad that my footballing hero is ending up down this well trodden path. One of the finest talents this country has produced.
Im absolutely gutted.
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Post by Davef on Sept 12, 2014 7:41:45 GMT
Stick to your gibberish on that other thread "yoth".
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Post by metalhead on Sept 12, 2014 7:57:32 GMT
Regardless of whether its his fault or whatever, I'm just extremely sad that my footballing hero is ending up down this well trodden path. One of the finest talents this country has produced. Im absolutely gutted. A feeling shared by many.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Sept 12, 2014 8:02:13 GMT
Regardless of whether its his fault or whatever, I'm just extremely sad that my footballing hero is ending up down this well trodden path. One of the finest talents this country has produced. Im absolutely gutted. A feeling shared by many. Correct.
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Post by huuuuuth on Sept 12, 2014 8:09:19 GMT
Think Gazza was only ever at his happiest on a football pitch.
Absolutely fantastic player
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 12, 2014 8:13:15 GMT
It's amazing how people talk about choices. NO ONE chooses to be come an addict and very few addicts can reform (genuine addicts as opposed to alchohol/drug dependance). He has hurt others around hime and has done some pretty stupid stuff but his condition is not a voluntary one. No one chooses to be an addict, true. But not all addictions are harmful. I go running 5 times a week for example. .that is an addiction. At the end of the day people have certain predispositions and personalities and when combined with environmental and genetic factors combine to produce certain behaviours...in given circumstances. Not everyone reacts/behaves to the same things in the same way. Some people are mentally stronger than others. And we should not forget that Gascoigne has hurt those around him with his behaviour. That said Gazza is the best English footballer I have ever seen. What a terrible shame to see him this way.
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