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Post by crapslinger on Aug 22, 2014 11:10:48 GMT
Perfect time to employ Sol Campbell, because obviously he doesn't get managers jobs because of the colour of his skin, it has nothing to do with the fact he is fuckin useless at all.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 22, 2014 11:20:35 GMT
If anybody working for me had - in a work context - referred to Chinese people as 'fucking chinkys and said of employees that there 'weren't enough white faces' and a few other things in a similar mould, they'd be on their way and rightly so. They can say what they like to mates and at home, but work is different. It's not about being shocked, it's about being decent. amazing really 2 people can be racist, anti-semitic and homophobic about their current employees and potential new employees and that's fine...apparently it's all down to Tan being an arsehole and Mackay and Moody are just being hard done to. BUTif N'Zonzi asks for a transfer request because he doesn't believe promises given in his contract are being upheld (which he had every right to do) then it's "He's a mardy arsehole, fuck him off!" because obviously him doing that is far far worse than calling a fellow player a "Chink" or "a young homo" the completely obvious hypocrisy, double standards and refusal to look at those who are actually to blame is just embarrasing really....may as well just retitle the thread "Mackay/Moody investigated but that's boring so fuck that let's just slag off Vincent Tan instead" Once people have acquired a "reputation" as a bit of a nut case (and Tan has certainly done that) there is a tendency to make them whipping boys for everything that goes wrong. And that is what has happened here, I think. Tan has upset a lot of people at Cardiff over the change of the club's colours and he also appears to (possibly) have a murky past in his native country. So if he gets into a dispute with two of his staff (one of whom certainly got a lot of credit for getting the club promoted) then the tendency is to back them against the man who had already upset the fans. Trying to be even handed about this, I'd say things look pretty bleak for Malky and his erstwhile sidekick, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to regard Tan as any sort of a hero. Trying to put myself in the shoes of a Cardiff fan, if we had an owner who changed our strip to yellow and black I'd be pretty pissed off an probably wouldn't be cheering him on if he fell out with the manager.
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 22, 2014 11:30:04 GMT
Two texts out of 10,000 texts and 70,000 documents. Storm and tea cup comes to mind, particularly as the contents are unknown at this stage. Someone has had to look very hard to uncover anything.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Aug 22, 2014 11:35:14 GMT
In no way condoning it. One of the things that annoys me about these things is how people jump on the bandwagon, playing the holier than thou card, when in reality no one is whiter than white. You can't tell me that everyone coming out to condemn it, journalists and other people within football, have never said anything remotely racist or homophobic in their lifes? The difference is that M&M were caught red handed. Another modern aspect of the media that gets up my nose is that they try to tell us what we should be shocked and appalled by too.. If anybody working for me had - in a work context - referred to Chinese people as 'fucking chinkys' and said of employees that there 'weren't enough white faces' and a few other things in a similar mould, they'd be on their way and rightly so. They can say what they like to mates and at home, but work is different. It's not about being shocked, it's about being decent. Never said you are going for/having a chinky for tea then?
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Post by Titan Uranus on Aug 22, 2014 11:44:35 GMT
Pretty obvious now why TP did what he did.
Reckon he suspected that there was going to be trouble with this Moody guy involved.
Just goes to show what an astute, honourable, upstanding bloke Tone is.
Some people on this board were giving him dogs abuse for "deserting the post" at the last minute.
Well done Tone ... a bloke with integrity.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Aug 22, 2014 11:45:39 GMT
Two texts out of 10,000 texts and 70,000 documents. Storm and tea cup comes to mind, particularly as the contents are unknown at this stage. Someone has had to look very hard to uncover anything. So it's OK if it's only 2 out of, well it doesn't matter how many does it? The point is it reveals the mindset of the individual. I try an run someone over every time I go out, that's thousands of times, in the car! I have only killed two so far, so that's ok, right?
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Post by greyman on Aug 22, 2014 11:49:26 GMT
If anybody working for me had - in a work context - referred to Chinese people as 'fucking chinkys' and said of employees that there 'weren't enough white faces' and a few other things in a similar mould, they'd be on their way and rightly so. They can say what they like to mates and at home, but work is different. It's not about being shocked, it's about being decent. Never said you are going for/having a chinky for tea then? Never looked up the word 'context'? I'm wasting my time with you, I know that, but feel free to dribble on as much as you like.
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Post by greyman on Aug 22, 2014 11:50:23 GMT
Two texts out of 10,000 texts and 70,000 documents. Storm and tea cup comes to mind, particularly as the contents are unknown at this stage. Someone has had to look very hard to uncover anything. So it's OK if it's only 2 out of, well it doesn't matter how many does it? The point is it reveals the mindset of the individual. I try an run someone over every time I go out, that's thousands of times, in the car! I have only killed two so far, so that's ok, right? I like Harry Redknapp's take on it. Basically 'at least he's not a paedophile'. So we can do anything we like so long as we're not paedophiles? Great news.
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Post by vahl on Aug 22, 2014 11:51:58 GMT
The LMA have messed up as well. Fans are banned from grounds for persistent racist abuse but when managers do it, they claim it's just 'banter'. Who have Mackay & Moody hurled abuse at though? Fans usually get 'banned from grounds' for being openly racist in a public setting, which is nothing similar to this situation. They were private texts between two friends, what is so hard to understand? We may not all agree with certain things they've wrote in said texts (I certainly don't condone it) but it's not like they were abusing people to make anyone's life uncomfortable or to bully them. If we can't have our private discussions with people we trust actually kept private, we truly are in a bad place. In this case, in my opinion, it's nothing more than a stitch up job but whatever, it's a price you pay in an industry that is so diverse.
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Post by greyman on Aug 22, 2014 11:54:28 GMT
The LMA have messed up as well. Fans are banned from grounds for persistent racist abuse but when managers do it, they claim it's just 'banter'. Who have Mackay & Moody hurled abuse at though? Fans usually get 'banned from grounds' for being openly racist in a public setting, which is nothing similar to this situation. They were private texts between two friends, what is so hard to understand? We may not all agree with certain things they've wrote in said texts (I certainly don't condone it) but it's not like they were abusing people to make anyone's life uncomfortable or to bully them. If we can't have our private discussions with people we trust actually kept private, we truly are in a bad place. In this case, in my opinion, it's nothing more than a stitch up job but whatever, it's a price you pay in an industry that is so diverse. No. They were texts made in a work context. Like I said before, he can say and think what he likes outside of a work context for all I care, but that isn't the case here.
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 22, 2014 11:56:07 GMT
Two texts out of 10,000 texts and 70,000 documents. Storm and tea cup comes to mind, particularly as the contents are unknown at this stage. Someone has had to look very hard to uncover anything. So it's OK if it's only 2 out of, well it doesn't matter how many does it? The point is it reveals the mindset of the individual. I try an run someone over every time I go out, that's thousands of times, in the car! I have only killed two so far, so that's ok, right? Two messages that say what? You don't know and neither do I, when I do if I ever do, then I will possibly agree. Most of us make or listen to jokes at various times which are not always politically correct. Have a look at the Palacious threads that have been on here. The point I was making is that someone has done a huge amount of work going through a total of 80000 items to dig the dirt on someone. You would expect far more to have been found if the person was truly of a particular mind set. As said we none of us know the contents, therefore I am content to await the investigation results. By the way I nearly forgot, killing people is a crime, not yet sure that a crime has even committed so it is a poor analogy.
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Post by foster on Aug 22, 2014 11:59:51 GMT
So it's OK if it's only 2 out of, well it doesn't matter how many does it? The point is it reveals the mindset of the individual. I try an run someone over every time I go out, that's thousands of times, in the car! I have only killed two so far, so that's ok, right? Two messages that say what? You don't know and neither do I, when I do if I ever do, then I will possibly agree. Most of us make or listen to jokes at various times which are not always politically correct. Have a look at the Palacious threads that have been on here. The point I was making is that someone has done a huge amount of work going through a total of 80000 items to dig the dirt on someone. You would expect far more to have been found if the person was truly of a particular mind set. As said we none of us know the contents, therefore I am content to await the investigation results. To be honest, one of them quit/got fired and the other has apologised. Good enough for me.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 22, 2014 12:00:12 GMT
The lma release a statement on behalf of Mackay denying homophobia and sexism no mention initially of the racism accusations.
Now they backtrack and apologise and Cardiff call for the head of the LMA.
This story has legs, no mention of libel from Mackay just a half arsed apology and a desire to co-op with the fa.
Yes tan has a grudge but obviously the behaviour of Mackay and moody has led to this
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Aug 22, 2014 12:02:30 GMT
The sooner the sheep shaggers are kicked out of the English leagues the better. Talk about a mountain out of a mole hill. Deluded tossers!
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Post by Davef on Aug 22, 2014 12:08:17 GMT
Pretty obvious now why TP did what he did. Reckon he suspected that there was going to be trouble with this Moody guy involved. Just goes to show what an astute, honourable, upstanding bloke Tone is. Some people on this board were giving him dogs abuse for "deserting the post" at the last minute. Well done Tone ... a bloke with integrity. Or TP had absolutely no clue that this was going to come out* and just resigned as Palace manager because either a) that's what he was going to do all along or b) there was a clash of personalities and he simply felt he couldn't work with Moody. *He denied all knowledge of Moody getting Cardiff's team sheet prior to their game last season. If he did know the shit was going to it the fan with Moody, why didn't he just bide his time. He only had to wait another week!
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Post by salopstick on Aug 22, 2014 12:10:43 GMT
Who have Mackay & Moody hurled abuse at though? Fans usually get 'banned from grounds' for being openly racist in a public setting, which is nothing similar to this situation. They were private texts between two friends, what is so hard to understand? We may not all agree with certain things they've wrote in said texts (I certainly don't condone it) but it's not like they were abusing people to make anyone's life uncomfortable or to bully them. If we can't have our private discussions with people we trust actually kept private, we truly are in a bad place. In this case, in my opinion, it's nothing more than a stitch up job but whatever, it's a price you pay in an industry that is so diverse. No. They were texts made in a work context. Like I said before, he can say and think what he likes outside of a work context for all I care, but that isn't the case here. Exactly Some people could believe this to be the view of Cardiff City FC.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Aug 22, 2014 12:13:49 GMT
So it's OK if it's only 2 out of, well it doesn't matter how many does it? The point is it reveals the mindset of the individual. I try an run someone over every time I go out, that's thousands of times, in the car! I have only killed two so far, so that's ok, right? Two messages that say what? You don't know and neither do I, when I do if I ever do, then I will possibly agree. Most of us make or listen to jokes at various times which are not always politically correct. Have a look at the Palacious threads that have been on here. The point I was making is that someone has done a huge amount of work going through a total of 80000 items to dig the dirt on someone. You would expect far more to have been found if the person was truly of a particular mind set. As said we none of us know the contents, therefore I am content to await the investigation results. By the way I nearly forgot, killing people is a crime, not yet sure that a crime has even committed so it is a poor analogy. Hate to bring you into this century but racism is also a crime. We do know what was in the offending texts, they are well documented, and Mackay has apologised. And if you were investigating someone would you just sample a few texts and if you didn't find anything think fuck it? My point was that it doesn't matter how many things you find if one is a crime do you say, ah forget it, it's only 2 times out of how many thousand. So my analogy stands.
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Post by foster on Aug 22, 2014 12:15:10 GMT
To be fair, in terms of banter regarding woman, I could have been fired 10 times over already.
Was chatting on communicator with a colleague about a HR girl the other week and likened her pussy to a labyrinth. Went on to mention needing a torch, ball of string, etc to find my way out.
The funny part was that unbeknown to me my colleague had invited her to the conversation and she was seeing my messages as I was writing them.
A more recent example was when I was having two chat sessions at the same time. One with a colleague (banter) and the other with the HR director (MILF - business). I got the threads mixed up and asked the Director of HR if she fancied a break whilst also calling her a sausage muncher.
Last new years I also sent my boss a txt saying 'Happy New Year Cock Sucker'. I only realised two weeks later when I got back to work that I'd sent it to him by mistake. He'd been stewing on it all that time.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Aug 22, 2014 12:16:23 GMT
Pretty obvious now why TP did what he did. Reckon he suspected that there was going to be trouble with this Moody guy involved. Just goes to show what an astute, honourable, upstanding bloke Tone is. Some people on this board were giving him dogs abuse for "deserting the post" at the last minute. Well done Tone ... a bloke with integrity. Or TP had absolutely no clue that this was going to come out* and just resigned as Palace manager because either a) that's what he was going to do all along or b) there was a clash of personalities and he simply felt he couldn't work with Moody. *He denied all knowledge of Moody getting Cardiff's team sheet prior to their game last season. If he did know the shit was going to it the fan with Moody, why didn't he just bide his time. He only had to wait another week! Naaah ... I reckon this has been bubbling under the surface for a few weeks... it would explain exactly why TP left in such strange circumstances. Think Tone has come out of this smelling of roses.
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Post by Davef on Aug 22, 2014 12:20:52 GMT
Or TP had absolutely no clue that this was going to come out* and just resigned as Palace manager because either a) that's what he was going to do all along or b) there was a clash of personalities and he simply felt he couldn't work with Moody. *He denied all knowledge of Moody getting Cardiff's team sheet prior to their game last season. If he did know the shit was going to it the fan with Moody, why didn't he just bide his time. He only had to wait another week! Naaah ... I reckon this has been bubbling under the surface for a few weeks... it would explain exactly why TP left in such strange circumstances. Think Tone has come out of this smelling of roses. Malky Mackay was hours away from becoming Crystal Palace boss though before this is all kicked off. How would Tony know that this was going to happen last week? There aren't many, if any, Crystal Palace fans who subscribe to your theory. Mine is that it was a clash of personalities, nothing more. What's happened in the last 24 hours in just a coincidence.
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Post by foster on Aug 22, 2014 12:21:24 GMT
The sooner the sheep shaggers are kicked out of the English leagues the better. Talk about a mountain out of a mole hill. Deluded tossers! Having just read the article on the BBC site about them and the LMA I'm inclined to agree. OTT IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 12:26:43 GMT
amazing really 2 people can be racist, anti-semitic and homophobic about their current employees and potential new employees and that's fine...apparently it's all down to Tan being an arsehole and Mackay and Moody are just being hard done to. BUTif N'Zonzi asks for a transfer request because he doesn't believe promises given in his contract are being upheld (which he had every right to do) then it's "He's a mardy arsehole, fuck him off!" because obviously him doing that is far far worse than calling a fellow player a "Chink" or "a young homo" the completely obvious hypocrisy, double standards and refusal to look at those who are actually to blame is just embarrasing really....may as well just retitle the thread "Mackay/Moody investigated but that's boring so fuck that let's just slag off Vincent Tan instead" Once people have acquired a "reputation" as a bit of a nut case (and Tan has certainly done that) there is a tendency to make them whipping boys for everything that goes wrong. And that is what has happened here, I think. Tan has upset a lot of people at Cardiff over the change of the club's colours and he also appears to (possibly) have a murky past in his native country. So if he gets into a dispute with two of his staff (one of whom certainly got a lot of credit for getting the club promoted) then the tendency is to back them against the man who had already upset the fans. Trying to be even handed about this, I'd say things look pretty bleak for Malky and his erstwhile sidekick, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to regard Tan as any sort of a hero. Trying to put myself in the shoes of a Cardiff fan, if we had an owner who changed our strip to yellow and black I'd be pretty pissed off an probably wouldn't be cheering him on if he fell out with the manager. agree with all that LP but given that the thread is about Mackay and Moody and what happened in the last day or two, what the hell has Tan changing Cardiff's colours got to do with it? absolutely zilch other than people wanting to ignore the thread so they can take an irrelevant cheap shot at someone they already don't like. no-one has said Tan is any kind of hero either have they? his status as an anti-hero is nothing whatsoever to do with what Mackay and Moody have been done. i just find it sad really that people are completely overlooking the racist, anti-semitic and homphobic actions of 2 PROFESSIONALS within the sport at a high level purely so they can take a pop at someone else and seemingly blame him for what Mackay and Moody have done......and we genuinely wonder why there's still a Kick it out campaign when people are apparently happy to completely overlook racism simply so they can take the piss out of someone else cos that's funnier? jesus wept!
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Post by sonichuth on Aug 22, 2014 12:27:49 GMT
Bloody PC brigade, can't even be a massive racist at work any more.
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Post by foster on Aug 22, 2014 12:33:00 GMT
Once people have acquired a "reputation" as a bit of a nut case (and Tan has certainly done that) there is a tendency to make them whipping boys for everything that goes wrong. And that is what has happened here, I think. Tan has upset a lot of people at Cardiff over the change of the club's colours and he also appears to (possibly) have a murky past in his native country. So if he gets into a dispute with two of his staff (one of whom certainly got a lot of credit for getting the club promoted) then the tendency is to back them against the man who had already upset the fans. Trying to be even handed about this, I'd say things look pretty bleak for Malky and his erstwhile sidekick, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to regard Tan as any sort of a hero. Trying to put myself in the shoes of a Cardiff fan, if we had an owner who changed our strip to yellow and black I'd be pretty pissed off an probably wouldn't be cheering him on if he fell out with the manager. agree with all that LP but given that the thread is about Mackay and Moody and what happened in the last day or two, what the hell has Tan changing Cardiff's colours got to do with it? absolutely zilch other than people wanting to ignore the thread so they can take an irrelevant cheap shot at someone they already don't like. no-one has said Tan is any kind of hero either have they? his status as an anti-hero is nothing whatsoever to do with what Mackay and Moody have been done. i just find it sad really that people are completely overlooking the racist, anti-semitic and homphobic actions of 2 PROFESSIONALS within the sport at a high level purely so they can take a pop at someone else and seemingly blame him for what Mackay and Moody have done......and we genuinely wonder why there's still a Kick it out campaign when people are apparently happy to completely overlook racism simply so they can take the piss out of someone else cos that's funnier? jesus wept! What did the anti-semitic text say Mick? I could do with some new material for when I attend my work functions Think I've done the gay jokes to death.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 22, 2014 12:35:11 GMT
Once people have acquired a "reputation" as a bit of a nut case (and Tan has certainly done that) there is a tendency to make them whipping boys for everything that goes wrong. And that is what has happened here, I think. Tan has upset a lot of people at Cardiff over the change of the club's colours and he also appears to (possibly) have a murky past in his native country. So if he gets into a dispute with two of his staff (one of whom certainly got a lot of credit for getting the club promoted) then the tendency is to back them against the man who had already upset the fans. Trying to be even handed about this, I'd say things look pretty bleak for Malky and his erstwhile sidekick, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to regard Tan as any sort of a hero. Trying to put myself in the shoes of a Cardiff fan, if we had an owner who changed our strip to yellow and black I'd be pretty pissed off an probably wouldn't be cheering him on if he fell out with the manager. agree with all that LP but given that the thread is about Mackay and Moody and what happened in the last day or two, what the hell has Tan changing Cardiff's colours got to do with it? absolutely zilch other than people wanting to ignore the thread so they can take an irrelevant cheap shot at someone they already don't like. no-one has said Tan is any kind of hero either have they? his status as an anti-hero is nothing whatsoever to do with what Mackay and Moody have been done. i just find it sad really that people are completely overlooking the racist, anti-semitic and homphobic actions of 2 PROFESSIONALS within the sport at a high level purely so they can take a pop at someone else and seemingly blame him for what Mackay and Moody have done......and we genuinely wonder why there's still a Kick it out campaign when people are apparently happy to completely overlook racism simply so they can take the piss out of someone else cos that's funnier? jesus wept! Really it is no different to the way some on here manage to turn a discussion about the current manager into a diatribe (or a hymn of praise) about a certain ex manager with monotonous regularity. If I had a pound for everytime I've clicked on a link thinking at least this will be about the here and now, only to find myself immersed in a thread about TP, I'd be a wealthy man. The fact is that people get fixated on certain things and certain people. To some a discussion about Hughes HAS to mean a discussion about TP and a discussion about Malky McKay HAS to include Vincent Tan. That's the Oatie for you!
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Post by Titan Uranus on Aug 22, 2014 12:35:34 GMT
Naaah ... I reckon this has been bubbling under the surface for a few weeks... it would explain exactly why TP left in such strange circumstances. Think Tone has come out of this smelling of roses. Malky Mackay was hours away from becoming Crystal Palace boss though before this is all kicked off. How would Tony know that this was going to happen last week? There aren't many, if any, Crystal Palace fans who subscribe to your theory. Mine is that it was a clash of personalities, nothing more. What's happened in the last 24 hours in just a coincidence. Professional football is like any other business, company or organization where people are involved .. Gossip, hearsay, Chinese whispers (can I say that) .... I'd like to bet a fiver that TP had got wind of something going down that would or could drag him into a possible situation. “The probability of a certain set of circumstances coming together in a meaningful (or tragic) way is so low that it simply cannot be considered mere coincidence. ”
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Aug 22, 2014 12:38:00 GMT
Once people have acquired a "reputation" as a bit of a nut case (and Tan has certainly done that) there is a tendency to make them whipping boys for everything that goes wrong. And that is what has happened here, I think. Tan has upset a lot of people at Cardiff over the change of the club's colours and he also appears to (possibly) have a murky past in his native country. So if he gets into a dispute with two of his staff (one of whom certainly got a lot of credit for getting the club promoted) then the tendency is to back them against the man who had already upset the fans. Trying to be even handed about this, I'd say things look pretty bleak for Malky and his erstwhile sidekick, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to regard Tan as any sort of a hero. Trying to put myself in the shoes of a Cardiff fan, if we had an owner who changed our strip to yellow and black I'd be pretty pissed off an probably wouldn't be cheering him on if he fell out with the manager. agree with all that LP but given that the thread is about Mackay and Moody and what happened in the last day or two, what the hell has Tan changing Cardiff's colours got to do with it? absolutely zilch other than people wanting to ignore the thread so they can take an irrelevant cheap shot at someone they already don't like. no-one has said Tan is any kind of hero either have they? his status as an anti-hero is nothing whatsoever to do with what Mackay and Moody have been done. i just find it sad really that people are completely overlooking the racist, anti-semitic and homphobic actions of 2 PROFESSIONALS within the sport at a high level purely so they can take a pop at someone else and seemingly blame him for what Mackay and Moody have done......and we genuinely wonder why there's still a Kick it out campaign when people are apparently happy to completely overlook racism simply so they can take the piss out of someone else cos that's funnier? jesus wept! Maybe people don't really care a fuck about something so trivial? They didn't abuse anyone or attack anyone. It was a private conversation. It may not have been 'PC' but it was private between 2 people no matter who's phone they were using.
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Post by openg on Aug 22, 2014 12:43:12 GMT
The "I'm not racist, some of my friends are chinks" argument should be his next port of call.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 12:50:44 GMT
agree with all that LP but given that the thread is about Mackay and Moody and what happened in the last day or two, what the hell has Tan changing Cardiff's colours got to do with it? absolutely zilch other than people wanting to ignore the thread so they can take an irrelevant cheap shot at someone they already don't like. no-one has said Tan is any kind of hero either have they? his status as an anti-hero is nothing whatsoever to do with what Mackay and Moody have been done. i just find it sad really that people are completely overlooking the racist, anti-semitic and homphobic actions of 2 PROFESSIONALS within the sport at a high level purely so they can take a pop at someone else and seemingly blame him for what Mackay and Moody have done......and we genuinely wonder why there's still a Kick it out campaign when people are apparently happy to completely overlook racism simply so they can take the piss out of someone else cos that's funnier? jesus wept! Maybe people don't really care a fuck about something so trivial? They didn't abuse anyone or attack anyone. It was a private conversation. It may not have been 'PC' but it was private between 2 people no matter who's phone they were using. try doing that and calling people "homos", "The jews" or "Chinks" on a work mobile about professionals you work with and see if you get away with it. any company (not just a football club) would take action over it if they found out
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 22, 2014 12:52:44 GMT
Two messages that say what? You don't know and neither do I, when I do if I ever do, then I will possibly agree. Most of us make or listen to jokes at various times which are not always politically correct. Have a look at the Palacious threads that have been on here. The point I was making is that someone has done a huge amount of work going through a total of 80000 items to dig the dirt on someone. You would expect far more to have been found if the person was truly of a particular mind set. As said we none of us know the contents, therefore I am content to await the investigation results. By the way I nearly forgot, killing people is a crime, not yet sure that a crime has even committed so it is a poor analogy. Hate to bring you into this century but racism is also a crime. We do know what was in the offending texts, they are well documented, and Mackay has apologised. And if you were investigating someone would you just sample a few texts and if you didn't find anything think fuck it? My point was tdoesn't matter how many things you find if one is a crime do you say, ah forget it, it's only 2 times out of how many thousand. So my analogy stands. 1,racism isn't a crime in itself, if the texts are racist, sadly some people have racist views, as long as they do not use those views to discriminate against others, they are entitled to think what they wish, however wrong the rest us may feel about it. 2 the texts haven't been well documented, at most statements have been made which leads people to believe they are racist, I have not seen the actual texts have you? 3 Been in this century as long as you, one of the down sides being trial by media rather than an examination of the facts 4 knocking someone over and killing them is not even remotely similar to two individuals conducting an exchange of views even if they do turn out to be racist, so your analogy is poor. It is very easy to rush to judgement based on sketchy knowledge of the truth. Of course I accept that two out of however many is still two too many and wrong. My point is that someone must have gone to a lot of trouble looking through 80000 items in order to find something to use, which is a very vindictive act. Also it would be reasonable to expect more than two incidents of a racial nature in 80000 if that was the normal mind set of those involved. The main difference between our points of view is that you are prepared to condemn on newspaper conjecture and I prefer to await an informed investigation.
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