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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 11:23:55 GMT
It's a shame we can't somehow harness his assets. His athleticism is exceptional. But it appears Hughes has concluded he's not the RB he wants. And, like TP, he doesn't seem to want a bar of him at CB. It's doubtful he'll ever be first-choice in either the Whelan role or the N'Zonzi role. He's certainly not half the footballer N'Zonzi is and Sidwell is obviously a Hughes favourite and is also looking for starts (maybe in both positions, but certainly the N'Zonzi role?) It's a puzzler - but, at 29, as has been speculated all summer, you can see how he'd potentially want to move on for some regular action at his age. He came to top football late and doesn't want to waste time on the bench or in the stands, especially when supposedly other decent teams are interested in him. Some people need to be moved on and it'd be disappointing for me if he was one, but it might be unavoidable in the circumstances. I think Cameron will give it to Christmas at least, to see how things pan out. I agree with most people on the main point - Mark Hughes didn't sign Bardsley merely as squad filler. He was brought in as the first signing and started the opening match as first choice RB (although that was also in part due to the World Cup players being absent and given a rest). Although he was poor in that opening game, Hughes now has to give him a run of games and see how he settles in. Lets be honest though, if Bardsley doesn't improve on Saturday's perfomance, then it won't be long until the Manager is looking at other options. Whether that be Cameron, or anybody else, it remains to be seen. I'm a fan of Bardsley and I hope he steps up over the coming weeks, but if he doesn't, I'd much rather Geoff step in over any of the other options we have available. With alternatives to Whelan being thin on the ground too, he may just get a run out there. I suppose we'll know more on Sunday. If he doesn't even make the squad, and Odemwingie does, then the writing could be on the wall.
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Post by nik80 on Aug 19, 2014 11:40:20 GMT
IF this story is true and Geoff Cameron isn't keen on fighting to keep his place at right back or doesn't have the stomach to push our centre halves then it's good that we can cash in really. I'd be very sorry to lose Cameron, I was hoping he and Phil Bardsley were gonna have a real tussle to make that right back spot their own but in all honesty I think Bardsley's the better option. And after the season we had last time out, I feel like a real cunt for saying that, because other than Bardsley, all the other new signings (and Robert Huth) would have to earn the right to break into the match day squad we finished with last season. I like Cameron, he does however seem like a bit of a mard arse.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 11:41:58 GMT
given that we now know it's all crap and he hasn't asked to leave, why are we even still going on about it?
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Post by Davef on Aug 19, 2014 11:49:18 GMT
Regardless of who starts at right back, we can't go into more games with that side of the pitch as exposed as it was on Saturday. We haven't got Philip Lahm over there, and even if we had he wouldn't be able to do two jobs.
You could argue that Villa's goal came from a lack of cover over on the right causing Pieters to go walkabout after Whelan's misplaced pass.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 11:49:35 GMT
IF this story is true and Geoff Cameron isn't keen on fighting to keep his place at right back or doesn't have the stomach to push our centre halves then it's good that we can cash in really. I'd be very sorry to lose Cameron, I was hoping he and Phil Bardsley were gonna have a real tussle to make that right back spot their own but in all honesty I think Bardsley's the better option. And after the season we had last time out, I feel like a real cunt for saying that, because other than Bardsley, all the other new signings (and Robert Huth) would have to earn the right to break into the match day squad we finished with last season. I like Cameron, he does however seem like a bit of a mard arse. 1) He hasn't handed in a transfer request. 2) He has been 100% professional throughout his career at the club. Apart from that, some great points kid....
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 19, 2014 11:53:38 GMT
Regardless of who starts at right back, we can't go into more games with that side of the pitch as exposed as it was on Saturday. We haven't got Philip Lahm over there, and even if we had he wouldn't be able to do two jobs. You could argue that Villa's goal came from a lack of cover over on the right causing Pieters to go walkabout after Whelan's misplaced pass. I agree but I think the biggest problem with Bardsley on Saturday was the total lack of any reasonable support in front of him.
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Post by nik80 on Aug 19, 2014 11:56:57 GMT
IF this story is true and Geoff Cameron isn't keen on fighting to keep his place at right back or doesn't have the stomach to push our centre halves then it's good that we can cash in really. I'd be very sorry to lose Cameron, I was hoping he and Phil Bardsley were gonna have a real tussle to make that right back spot their own but in all honesty I think Bardsley's the better option. And after the season we had last time out, I feel like a real cunt for saying that, because other than Bardsley, all the other new signings (and Robert Huth) would have to earn the right to break into the match day squad we finished with last season. I like Cameron, he does however seem like a bit of a mard arse. 1) He hasn't handed in a transfer request. 2) He has been 100% professional throughout his career at the club. Apart from that, some great points kid.... 1) I didn't realise he hadn't handed in a transfer request (sorry) 2) I'll take your point about him being 100% professional, I was probably basing my mard arse comment on some Twitter nonsense and the fact I thought he had handed in a transfer request. Cheers (kid)
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 19, 2014 12:03:42 GMT
The worst thing you can say about Bardsley's debut is that he was no improvement on Geoff, which is what he was signed to be. He wasn't any worse. He made good runs and actually posed a threat going forward, rather than wafting in slow crosses with the outside of his boot that a one-armed baby could catch, so that's one plus. Funny how many mistakes you notice that you were blind to last season, almost as if you were on the edge of your seat watching for them. He was definitely worse on the day. Geoff was our best player over the opening few months of last season. Short memories and that. I don't see how he was worse than the Cameron that finished last season. He was about the same defensively and got into better attacking positions.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 19, 2014 12:09:26 GMT
He was definitely worse on the day. Geoff was our best player over the opening few months of last season. Short memories and that. I don't see how he was worse than the Cameron that finished last season. He was about the same defensively and got into better attacking positions. I've seen Cameron play much, much worse than Bardsley did on Saturday. He's also played much better but then, I'm sure Bardsley will too. The fact is, he's getting slaughtered for ONE GAME (his first in a Stoke shirt) by those who insist Cameron is better. If you want to make a FAIR comparison, at least give the bloke a few games and, hopefully with some kind of support in front of him. I like Cameron, by the way, but this crap Bardsley is getting is pathetic.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 19, 2014 12:10:16 GMT
So when Cameron goes forward it's "effective" despite him not being able to pass or cross, but Bardsley actually making good runs and getting into dangerous positions is "like a school child?". And him having a half-decent shout for a penalty is an example of his ineptitude? I've obviously missed his 'great link up play', I've seen him shank a few out of touch unchallenged with the best of them. Must be great on Planet Geoff though. What a load of old shit. Can't pass? I'm pretty sure I posted a stat from last season that said he played more passes than anyone else in the team, and had an accuracy rating of 72% or something. He also played some of our best crosses last season. I won't deny that he put a few poor ones, but he also put some of our best. I love how CHW's forget the positive contribution he made while happily raising the negatives. He played plenty of good crosses that were either not scored, or not even attacked at all. Last season we missed so many chances, and Cameron created just as many of those as anyone. A half-decent shout for a penalty? Where do you sit...? Block 120, somewhere up in the clouds, or is that just where your head is? It was never a penalty in a million years and we would explode if a similar penalty had been given against us. It was a pretty hopeful long ball and Bardsley was never even getting to it. The defender came across and Bardsley threw himself into it. It wasn't even a half-decent penalty shout, it was a last ditch attempt of a player not getting to the ball. Sorry, which good runs do you speak of? I saw him make a couple of runs behind the full back only to mis-control the ball? Is that what you mean? Hell even the one where he won the corner, it was quite obviously a shit piece of control and if he had been able to bring it down, he'd have been able to put a cross in. Must be great on planet Phil? How are the Sunderland fans up there? It has to be done because you refuse to see the negatives and accuse anyone who raises them of making them up or being anti-american. Bardsley actually had a better pass completion rate than Cameron last season. "Cameron created just as many chances as anyone" just isn't true I'm afraid. That is literally just making things up. Still don't see how the pen/non-pen incident is an indicator of his lack of quality or a sign that Cameron is better? Good runs like the one that produced our one shot on target or the one in the second half where he was the only player making a run and brought it down perfectly but there was nobody to cross to? A more pertinent question might be why would a Stoke supporter be itching to write off a Stoke player so much that he dismisses him as "a donkey" before he's played a competitive game and rips into him after his debut? This Cameron fixation of yours (do you even post about anything else?) has officially crossed the line into outright creepy.
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Post by lordb on Aug 19, 2014 12:16:18 GMT
I would play him on Sunday......instead of Whelan. i.e. same role as he had for USA v Belgium.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 19, 2014 12:17:23 GMT
Whelan has had one bad game after an outstanding season. Are we going to discard everyone on the back of one poor game or give them a bit of a run first?
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 19, 2014 12:18:52 GMT
I would play him on Sunday......instead of Whelan. i.e. same role as he had for USA v Belgium. Unfortunately, he then had an absolute 'mare' in the following game. Just offering fair balance like.
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 19, 2014 12:19:45 GMT
I think shotton deserves his chance.
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Post by stokeypieman on Aug 19, 2014 12:33:05 GMT
On a MLS message board there is a few counts of Schalke being mentioned, did he play in Germany in the friendlies or was he still on holiday after the world cup?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 19, 2014 12:35:05 GMT
The fact that he can attract widespread interest from different Countries tells you something. I am not convinced he is one we can afford to lose, but it seems the Club see the chance of a decent return, unlike some of our other squad players. It depends who the wide spread interest is from.
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Post by lordb on Aug 19, 2014 12:35:39 GMT
I would play him on Sunday......instead of Whelan. i.e. same role as he had for USA v Belgium. Unfortunately, he then had an absolute 'mare' in the following game. Just offering fair balance like. no,they went out v Belgium he had a mare against Portugal playing at the back
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Post by lordb on Aug 19, 2014 12:37:08 GMT
Whelan has had one bad game after an outstanding season. Are we going to discard everyone on the back of one poor game or give them a bit of a run first? dropped not discarded there is a difference Hughes has already dropped Odemwingie (or given him a rest) & tbh I would be tempted to drop at least 7 of Staurdays side,it was that bad.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 19, 2014 12:41:03 GMT
Unfortunately, he then had an absolute 'mare' in the following game. Just offering fair balance like. no,they went out v Belgium he had a mare against Portugal playing at the back Indeed he did lord. He did very well overall but I was just making the point that he managed to put in a very poor performance in one of the games (for the benefit of those who think Bardsley should be 'dumped' for one poor game....his first league game for us). I really do like Cameron but I wouldn't want to 'muller' Bardsley because I like Cameron......that would be unfair, particularly since the biggest failing was in having bugger all in front of him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 12:47:08 GMT
Whelan has had one bad game after an outstanding season. Are we going to discard everyone on the back of one poor game or give them a bit of a run first? after reading some of the threads since the game on saturday rob then it appears the rules are as follows: 1) if they're new or one of the traditional boo boys then yes, we CAN discard players after just one game 2) if they're one of the crowd favourites who played just as badly in that one game then no, we can't discard them and we have to make every excuse under the sun up to justify why for them it was just a bad day at the office and nothing more. i believe the technical term is "Unadulterated bollocks from people who presumed we'd dick everyone 6-0 and are now lashing out because their ridiculous presumption may be wrong and rather than backtrack and admit they were being completely OTT they'll slate the newbies for it instead cos that's easier in order for them to save face" (it could probably do with an abbreviation really but you get the gist)
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Post by Stoke711 on Aug 19, 2014 13:29:41 GMT
Good job players don't read the oatcake before signing, no one would sign for us if they read the sh!t on here. Tearing into players after 1 game is a disgusting. Whatever happened to giving players time to settle? They're getting used to playing in a different way.
Show me 1 player who has never had an off day, the whole team had an off day on Saturday, so should we fck them all off??
Didn't take long for our optimism to go and for the fans to turn on players again.
I think some some a reality check, the season is over 38 league games, not 1!
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Post by pedro23 on Aug 19, 2014 13:33:24 GMT
The fact that he can attract widespread interest from different Countries tells you something. I am not convinced he is one we can afford to lose, but it seems the Club see the chance of a decent return, unlike some of our other squad players. It depends who the wide spread interest is from. According to the article a side in the top 8 in Serie A and Schalke were referenced, plus 3 Premiership sides. Which if true is a bit more than anyone else we may be interested in moving on, including Crouch and Walters.
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Post by realstokebloke on Aug 19, 2014 13:45:31 GMT
It depends who the wide spread interest is from. According to the article a side in the top 8 in Serie A and Schalke were referenced, plus 3 Premiership sides. Which if true is a bit more than anyone else we may be interested in moving on, including Crouch and Walters. Very true Pedro & certainly one we might actually turn a buck on (as opposed to a loss with most if the other offloads).
Gary M's tweet basically confirms that: no, he hasn't handed in a request, he doesn't need to; they sound like they are queuing round the block for him anyway.
Beswick's overtime bill on agents working overtime hawking him round seems safe (re Geoff anyway). Rest easy Gary.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 19, 2014 13:53:27 GMT
What a load of old shit. Can't pass? I'm pretty sure I posted a stat from last season that said he played more passes than anyone else in the team, and had an accuracy rating of 72% or something. He also played some of our best crosses last season. I won't deny that he put a few poor ones, but he also put some of our best. I love how CHW's forget the positive contribution he made while happily raising the negatives. He played plenty of good crosses that were either not scored, or not even attacked at all. Last season we missed so many chances, and Cameron created just as many of those as anyone. A half-decent shout for a penalty? Where do you sit...? Block 120, somewhere up in the clouds, or is that just where your head is? It was never a penalty in a million years and we would explode if a similar penalty had been given against us. It was a pretty hopeful long ball and Bardsley was never even getting to it. The defender came across and Bardsley threw himself into it. It wasn't even a half-decent penalty shout, it was a last ditch attempt of a player not getting to the ball. Sorry, which good runs do you speak of? I saw him make a couple of runs behind the full back only to mis-control the ball? Is that what you mean? Hell even the one where he won the corner, it was quite obviously a shit piece of control and if he had been able to bring it down, he'd have been able to put a cross in. Must be great on planet Phil? How are the Sunderland fans up there? It has to be done because you refuse to see the negatives and accuse anyone who raises them of making them up or being anti-american.Bardsley actually had a better pass completion rate than Cameron last season. "Cameron created just as many chances as anyone" just isn't true I'm afraid. That is literally just making things up. Still don't see how the pen/non-pen incident is an indicator of his lack of quality or a sign that Cameron is better? Good runs like the one that produced our one shot on target or the one in the second half where he was the only player making a run and brought it down perfectly but there was nobody to cross to? A more pertinent question might be why would a Stoke supporter be itching to write off a Stoke player so much that he dismisses him as "a donkey" before he's played a competitive game and rips into him after his debut? This Cameron fixation of yours (do you even post about anything else?) has officially crossed the line into outright creepy. Actually, the anti-American comments came in the wake of his exceptional performance against Ghana, when some people on this forum, genuinely couldn't accept that he had played exceptionally well (going as far as suggesting it was his fault Ghana scored despite the fact it was obviously John Brooks mistake). I made the suggestion that there was an anti-American theme going on because I couldn't believe a Stoke player, after playing so well on the biggest stage, could still receive so much stick. I pointed out, rightly, that if Shawcross had played that well in an England shirt, there would be tears of pride at what a wonderful patriotic performance it was. Yet, when it's an American, it's a pile of shit and he's somehow to blame for the goal. I could not work out why so few people wanted Cameron to do well. The entire Oatcake was beaming with pride for Asmir, yet for Geoff, it was just another game. Like I said at the time, I felt more pride watching Geoff singe handedly keep out Ghana than I did for Palacios, Odemwingie or Bego. Not because they actually won, but simply the fact he threw everything into that game. It was like there was a little bit of Stoke coming through him as he blocked shot after shot and won header after header. If Bardsley had a better pass completion rate that's great, but I wonder if he played more... even if you scale it down so both have played an equal number of matches on paper. I would put money on that he didn't. More passes, more chance for them to go wrong. If you only ever play a simple pass back to your keeper, then the percentage will be higher. I sit in block 23, are you suggesting that I was at a different game every week? Cameron would regularly bomb down the right and be an important part of a move. Just putting the final cross in doesn't mean you weren't a vital component in creating a chance. Geoff also had the ability to beat a man and win a corner or throw. They are chances in themselves. I never said the penalty/non-penalty was an indicator of anything. It was you who mentioned the penalty and are you saying that Cameron never took a shot? Can we just rewind to the fact he scored 2 goals from full back last year and had a few other shots. Just being able to shoot means nothing. I'm not writing off Bardsley, but I genuinely believe that if you are to replace a player, you switch to an upgrade. If we signed Richards, I believe he would be an upgrade to both, but I've never considered Bardsley an upgrade to Cameron, and for me, the weekend showed that Bardsley isn't really that much better if at all. You're talking out your arse regarding my 'Cameron' fixation, it's an absolutely pathetic suggestion. You could argue that the amount of stick he took last season was a fixation in itself from some of the goons on here. Whelan has had one bad game after an outstanding season. Are we going to discard everyone on the back of one poor game or give them a bit of a run first? after reading some of the threads since the game on saturday rob then it appears the rules are as follows: 1) if they're new or one of the traditional boo boys then yes, we CAN discard players after just one game 2) if they're one of the crowd favourites who played just as badly in that one game then no, we can't discard them and we have to make every excuse under the sun up to justify why for them it was just a bad day at the office and nothing more. i believe the technical term is "Unadulterated bollocks from people who presumed we'd dick everyone 6-0 and are now lashing out because their ridiculous presumption may be wrong and rather than backtrack and admit they were being completely OTT they'll slate the newbies for it instead cos that's easier in order for them to save face" (it could probably do with an abbreviation really but you get the gist) Actually Mick, I never presumed we'd win at all. I also haven't said we should discard players after one game. I'm saying that there are good players who didn't make the team on Saturday who we should consider bringing in if things aren't working out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 14:05:30 GMT
It has to be done because you refuse to see the negatives and accuse anyone who raises them of making them up or being anti-american.Bardsley actually had a better pass completion rate than Cameron last season. "Cameron created just as many chances as anyone" just isn't true I'm afraid. That is literally just making things up. Still don't see how the pen/non-pen incident is an indicator of his lack of quality or a sign that Cameron is better? Good runs like the one that produced our one shot on target or the one in the second half where he was the only player making a run and brought it down perfectly but there was nobody to cross to? A more pertinent question might be why would a Stoke supporter be itching to write off a Stoke player so much that he dismisses him as "a donkey" before he's played a competitive game and rips into him after his debut? This Cameron fixation of yours (do you even post about anything else?) has officially crossed the line into outright creepy. after reading some of the threads since the game on saturday rob then it appears the rules are as follows: 1) if they're new or one of the traditional boo boys then yes, we CAN discard players after just one game 2) if they're one of the crowd favourites who played just as badly in that one game then no, we can't discard them and we have to make every excuse under the sun up to justify why for them it was just a bad day at the office and nothing more. i believe the technical term is "Unadulterated bollocks from people who presumed we'd dick everyone 6-0 and are now lashing out because their ridiculous presumption may be wrong and rather than backtrack and admit they were being completely OTT they'll slate the newbies for it instead cos that's easier in order for them to save face" (it could probably do with an abbreviation really but you get the gist) Actually Mick, I never presumed we'd win at all. I also haven't said we should discard players after one game. I'm saying that there are good players who didn't make the team on Saturday who we should consider bringing in if things aren't working out. if that's all you're saying then fine no-one would disagree but you seem to have been vehement from the start that geoff is a better RB than Bardsley based on just 1 game that Bardsley has had at the club. you also seemed to have advocated dropping Bardsley on the strength of just one game. as i said earlier, you yourself said that if someone is consistently off form they should be dropped, what i fail to understand though is this belief that one bad game indicates "Consistently off form" and therefore we need to change straight away. it's not just you mate, there's been some ridiculous over reactions and hysterical stuff on here since saturday. i just fail to see why so many are seemingly happy to write off players after ONE GAME!!! i haven't seen you calling for Ryan to be dropped when we have Huth available (Ryan wasn't any good at the weekend), Begs to be dropped in favour of butland or arnie to be dropped either. surely you can see why some are confused about the lack of consistency on your part given that Bardsley had no worse a game than any of those others?
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Post by mccfred on Aug 19, 2014 15:02:32 GMT
I'd like to give him a little more time; but if he wants out, he wants out.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 19, 2014 15:11:00 GMT
Once fit I've got a feeling Hughes will give Cameron a run of games as DM
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Post by wembley4372 on Aug 19, 2014 15:16:16 GMT
What makes you so convinced that Hughes will do this when everything points anywhere but there.
Or do you know of someone leaving?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 19, 2014 15:54:03 GMT
Whelan has had one bad game after an outstanding season. Are we going to discard everyone on the back of one poor game or give them a bit of a run first? dropped not discarded there is a difference Hughes has already dropped Odemwingie (or given him a rest) & tbh I would be tempted to drop at least 7 of Staurdays side,it was that bad. I don't think you drop someone one the basis of one bad game after a string of good ones.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 19, 2014 15:59:43 GMT
It has to be done because you refuse to see the negatives and accuse anyone who raises them of making them up or being anti-american.Bardsley actually had a better pass completion rate than Cameron last season. "Cameron created just as many chances as anyone" just isn't true I'm afraid. That is literally just making things up. Still don't see how the pen/non-pen incident is an indicator of his lack of quality or a sign that Cameron is better? Good runs like the one that produced our one shot on target or the one in the second half where he was the only player making a run and brought it down perfectly but there was nobody to cross to? A more pertinent question might be why would a Stoke supporter be itching to write off a Stoke player so much that he dismisses him as "a donkey" before he's played a competitive game and rips into him after his debut? This Cameron fixation of yours (do you even post about anything else?) has officially crossed the line into outright creepy. Actually, the anti-American comments came in the wake of his exceptional performance against Ghana, when some people on this forum, genuinely couldn't accept that he had played exceptionally well (going as far as suggesting it was his fault Ghana scored despite the fact it was obviously John Brooks mistake). I made the suggestion that there was an anti-American theme going on because I couldn't believe a Stoke player, after playing so well on the biggest stage, could still receive so much stick. I pointed out, rightly, that if Shawcross had played that well in an England shirt, there would be tears of pride at what a wonderful patriotic performance it was. Yet, when it's an American, it's a pile of shit and he's somehow to blame for the goal. I could not work out why so few people wanted Cameron to do well. The entire Oatcake was beaming with pride for Asmir, yet for Geoff, it was just another game. Like I said at the time, I felt more pride watching Geoff singe handedly keep out Ghana than I did for Palacios, Odemwingie or Bego. Not because they actually won, but simply the fact he threw everything into that game. It was like there was a little bit of Stoke coming through him as he blocked shot after shot and won header after header. If Bardsley had a better pass completion rate that's great, but I wonder if he played more... even if you scale it down so both have played an equal number of matches on paper. I would put money on that he didn't. More passes, more chance for them to go wrong. If you only ever play a simple pass back to your keeper, then the percentage will be higher. I sit in block 23, are you suggesting that I was at a different game every week? Cameron would regularly bomb down the right and be an important part of a move. Just putting the final cross in doesn't mean you weren't a vital component in creating a chance. Geoff also had the ability to beat a man and win a corner or throw. They are chances in themselves. I never said the penalty/non-penalty was an indicator of anything. It was you who mentioned the penalty and are you saying that Cameron never took a shot? Can we just rewind to the fact he scored 2 goals from full back last year and had a few other shots. Just being able to shoot means nothing. I'm not writing off Bardsley, but I genuinely believe that if you are to replace a player, you switch to an upgrade. If we signed Richards, I believe he would be an upgrade to both, but I've never considered Bardsley an upgrade to Cameron, and for me, the weekend showed that Bardsley isn't really that much better if at all. You're talking out your arse regarding my 'Cameron' fixation, it's an absolutely pathetic suggestion. You could argue that the amount of stick he took last season was a fixation in itself from some of the goons on here. after reading some of the threads since the game on saturday rob then it appears the rules are as follows: 1) if they're new or one of the traditional boo boys then yes, we CAN discard players after just one game 2) if they're one of the crowd favourites who played just as badly in that one game then no, we can't discard them and we have to make every excuse under the sun up to justify why for them it was just a bad day at the office and nothing more. i believe the technical term is "Unadulterated bollocks from people who presumed we'd dick everyone 6-0 and are now lashing out because their ridiculous presumption may be wrong and rather than backtrack and admit they were being completely OTT they'll slate the newbies for it instead cos that's easier in order for them to save face" (it could probably do with an abbreviation really but you get the gist) Actually Mick, I never presumed we'd win at all. I also haven't said we should discard players after one game. I'm saying that there are good players who didn't make the team on Saturday who we should consider bringing in if things aren't working out. Sorry, winning a throw isn't the same as creating a chance, certainly not post-Delap. You most certainly did mention the penalty as an indicator of him having "no idea". Read the thread back. Don't know if you are "at a different game" or not but you certainly aren't prepared to be objective on Cameron as you won't have it he ever does anything wrong and had written off Bardsley before he'd kicked a ball and have done so again after one game. Let's not pretend you're objective about this because you're not.
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