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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 25, 2014 16:15:35 GMT
Possibly, maybe, definitely has done a half decent job with the funds and who he's working with. Discuss.
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Post by jbstokie on Apr 25, 2014 16:19:52 GMT
Hard to tell how much effect people like Cartwright/Director of Football types have on transfers but we've definitely done well in the transfer market since he came. The only permanent transfer that looks shit is Shea.
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Post by CrazyPotter on Apr 25, 2014 16:21:11 GMT
Possibly, maybe, definitely has done a half decent job with the funds and who he's working with. Discuss. If it was 2-for-tuesday, then yeah, not bad.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 25, 2014 16:28:20 GMT
For three windows running we have failed to secure our main target.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 16:31:31 GMT
For three windows running we have failed to secure our main target. Carrying on the theme... "Well I don't really knooooow" Or.... "If it's up there, i'll give you the money meself"
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Post by cmc89 on Apr 25, 2014 16:36:52 GMT
For three windows running we have failed to secure our main target. And we won't for 3 more. Most of our top targets will go somewhere that offers more money/is in london/offers europa league
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 16:39:25 GMT
For three windows running we have failed to secure our main target. Carrying on the theme... "Well I don't really knooooow" Or.... "If it's up there, i'll give you the money meself" I thought that bastard had been locked up! Wait till Gail finds out
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 16:43:35 GMT
Carrying on the theme... "Well I don't really knooooow" Or.... "If it's up there, i'll give you the money meself" I thought that bastard had been locked up! Wait till Gail finds out FREE DEIRDRE RACHID! Satire...it's not dead sid'
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 16:47:21 GMT
I thought that bastard had been locked up! Wait till Gail finds out FREE DEIRDRE RACHID! Satire...it's not dead sid' Ha ha ha I remember that campaign well. To be honest she should have had at least an extra 10 years for crimes against necks and wallpaper
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Post by lordb on Apr 25, 2014 17:10:02 GMT
Possibly, maybe, definitely has done a half decent job with the funds and who he's working with. Discuss. Hard to tell as Scholes is still involved
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 25, 2014 17:11:38 GMT
Possibly, maybe, definitely has done a half decent job with the funds and who he's working with. Discuss. Hard to tell as Scholes is still involved That's why I think he's done a good job. He's a glorified scout imo and the players we've scouted and the ones we've actually got in barring one (Shea) have been the business. I think he's done orate considering he is working with Scholes.
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 25, 2014 17:21:27 GMT
Let's see what he uncovers with a fair amount of cash to spend this summer (from our Sky money due to the elevated finish and from the inevitable Bego sale) before we start giving him any medals.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 25, 2014 17:22:49 GMT
We're still providing this floundering pile of sweat and pepperoni a wage?
Christ.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 25, 2014 17:23:21 GMT
Possibly, maybe, definitely has done a half decent job with the funds and who he's working with. Discuss. Hard to tell as Scholes is still involved Exactly, don't want Cartwright taking all the credit for the good work that Scholes does.
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Post by swampySCFC on Apr 25, 2014 17:43:19 GMT
I don't know what he does to be honest. No doubt Wolstanton will tell me????
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 25, 2014 17:44:18 GMT
Hard to tell as Scholes is still involved That's why I think he's done a good job. He's a glorified scout imo and the players we've scouted and the ones we've actually got in barring one (Shea) have been the business. I think he's done orate considering he is working with Scholes. They'll both be judged by St Peter and probably more importantly Denise when the May 14 accounts are finalised although we should get some idea when Bet365 announce their March 14 results.
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 25, 2014 18:06:54 GMT
Do we really need him? I guess the local pizza hut loves him, but all in all I'm not sure his contribution is big enough? But, what do I know!?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 18:13:33 GMT
cant believe some on this board? stoke city and the staff who work for scfc imo are doing a decent job. i for one am glad that they dont go giving players stupid salaries.imo players are paid too much allready and whoever sanctioned waynettas 300k a week should be locked up.we need players who want to play at stoke city rather than players who want to play for a wage packet.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Apr 25, 2014 18:18:51 GMT
I don't know what he does to be honest. No doubt Wolstanton will tell me???? And no doubt you and others will fail to understand again??? I won't bother because people need a scapegoat and why not? There are still people who believe its down to Cartwright if we sign a player we have targeted or not. Look at this thread. It's more fun to ramble on about pizzas!
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Post by hooftastic on Apr 25, 2014 18:48:25 GMT
We don't know the details really. The signings we have made have been pretty successful but I get the feeling that they mostly weren't our first choice targets and even panic buys. Certainly getting PO (who has turned out to be a catalyst and really helped turn things around) seemed more luck than intentional. Whose fault that is remains to be seen but to celebrate a pizza delivery when we failed in the last window so miserably is pretty stupid.
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Post by wuzza on Apr 25, 2014 18:54:53 GMT
I would be interested to know - who or what are we giving Cartright credit for? What has been achieved that wouldnt have happened without him? Only then can you make any sort of judgement. Just on the face of it he doesnt appear to have done a great deal but that could be wrong.
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Post by Hugh Jorgan on Apr 25, 2014 19:02:19 GMT
Let me summarise:
People who know fuck all commenting on stuff they know fuck all about, but it's ok because it gives them a chance to moan
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 19:15:58 GMT
We keep being told that directors of football and their ilk are the way forward but I'm not convinced. Spurs keep using them and keep spunking money up the wall and their best recent years have come with Redknapp who demanded full control.
For me, the manager should control who does and doesn't come in and if the board doesn't trust him in that department they should get rid.
Then again, getting your 'top targets' is overrated sometimes. If we'd done that in 2008 we might have started the season having spunked £15m or so on Ledley, Gardner and Carson instead of ending up with Sorensen, Faye and Ethers. Hanging in there to get our targets in 2011 didn't exactly improve us either.
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Post by marcofstoke on Apr 25, 2014 19:24:15 GMT
I met Mr Cartwright recently although it wasn't appropriate to talk Stoke City so I couldn't find out any inside Information
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 19:25:12 GMT
I met Mr Cartwright recently although it wasn't appropriate to talk Stoke City so I couldn't find out any inside Information This wasn't in Greggs was it?
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Post by marcofstoke on Apr 25, 2014 19:27:37 GMT
I met Mr Cartwright recently although it wasn't appropriate to talk Stoke City so I couldn't find out any inside Information This wasn't in Greggs was it?
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 25, 2014 19:29:35 GMT
We keep being told that directors of football and their ilk are the way forward but I'm not convinced. Spurs keep using them and keep spunking money up the wall and their best recent years have come with Redknapp who demanded full control. For me, the manager should control who does and doesn't come in and if the board doesn't trust him in that department they should get rid. Then again, getting your 'top targets' is overrated sometimes. If we'd done that in 2008 we might have started the season having spunked £15m or so on Ledley, Gardner and Carson instead of ending up with Sorensen, Faye and Ethers. Hanging in there to get our targets in 2011 didn't exactly improve us either. The manager has to have the final say. No point signing anyone unless he's going to pick them for the team. I much prefer this set-up though to what we had before, where we actually seem to scout players beyond Sunderland's reserves. Funnily enough, I've just finished reading a book on scouts- 'The Nowhere Men,' a fairly entertaining read it is as well with quite a few Stoke mentions- particularly regarding some good foreign players who were recommended to Stoke, but who never ended up signing.
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Post by trigger on Apr 25, 2014 19:37:30 GMT
Let's see what he uncovers with a fair amount of cash to spend this summer (from our Sky money due to the elevated finish and from the inevitable Bego sale) before we start giving him any medals. Jezz the elevated finish will go towards the debt, can't see a big transfer budget for Hughes. If Asmir goes it'll be interesting to see what he's allowed to spend.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 19:48:10 GMT
Spend very little and hope for the best.
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Post by stokiejoe on Apr 25, 2014 19:48:10 GMT
I met Mr Cartwright recently although it wasn't appropriate to talk Stoke City so I couldn't find out any inside Information This wasn't in Greggs was it? Pizza Hut!
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