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Post by scfcno1fan on Apr 17, 2014 18:33:21 GMT
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Post by MadMarko10 on Apr 17, 2014 18:47:04 GMT
Interesting quote from Scholes..
"The Season Card announcement and campaign has been almost unanimously well received including some extremely positive reporting by The Sentinel. The only negative as been a thread on the Oatcake on the removal of the 4 month direct debit scheme. TS urged the SC to be cautious in reading these threads & not to assume they are widely held views. In this case the vast majority of the thread was a conversation with between 2 people – 1 of whom was concerned about his credit worthiness and not strictly the removal of the 4 monthly payment scheme, the other who posts actively on any and all subjects. The danger and the potential real problem here is that over 1,000 people viewed the thread and could potentially be affected by the negativity of it and thereby damaging the huge effort and cost of the positive PR from the campaign itself."
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Post by scfcno1fan on Apr 17, 2014 18:54:24 GMT
Yeah I thought so to.
Also if this was a direct quote, then TS (or his advisers) must read the Oatcake, as they knew that the one poster posts 'actively on any and all subjects.'
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Post by MadMarko10 on Apr 17, 2014 18:59:57 GMT
Another thing that interested me about that quote is that why did Scholes feel the need to go on in great detail about this place, before making a frankly OTT statement (the part in bold) at the end?
Surely he could've just left it at "The only negative as been a thread on the Oatcake on the removal of the 4 month direct debit scheme"?
Bizarre.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Apr 17, 2014 19:04:52 GMT
Its the main reason I thought it was useful to post.
Scholes does not seem to have a great like for the Oatcake it would seem.
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 17, 2014 19:06:20 GMT
Can anyone shed any light on the following quote please:
"MC said that an agreement was reached for overseas supporter's away travel, which took consideration of travel arrangements and accommodation but this could only be conducted through the Official Supporters Branches."
Would this be coupled up with the Scandinavian Supporters Assoc. just as a simple example??
Id be very interested in this for next season…..
As a sidenote, if any other ducth potters are interested in getting together for a trip over next season as a group, well lets get together and thrash a few ideas out….
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 17, 2014 19:07:00 GMT
Its the main reason I thought it was useful to post. Scholes does not seem to have a great like for the Oatcake it would seem. Haha. Not really surprised with a few that don't like him too much on here. It least we know that some of the messages on here are getting through.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 17, 2014 19:08:32 GMT
Its the main reason I thought it was useful to post. Scholes does not seem to have a great like for the Oatcake it would seem. I wonder if momo has seen this
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Apr 17, 2014 19:09:23 GMT
Interesting quote from Scholes.. "The Season Card announcement and campaign has been almost unanimously well received including some extremely positive reporting by The Sentinel. The only negative as been a thread on the Oatcake on the removal of the 4 month direct debit scheme. TS urged the SC to be cautious in reading these threads & not to assume they are widely held views. In this case the vast majority of the thread was a conversation with between 2 people – 1 of whom was concerned about his credit worthiness and not strictly the removal of the 4 monthly payment scheme, the other who posts actively on any and all subjects. The danger and the potential real problem here is that over 1,000 people viewed the thread and could potentially be affected by the negativity of it and thereby damaging the huge effort and cost of the positive PR from the campaign itself."Sadly this little snippet tells you plenty about how our club has become part of the Premier League paranoid horse shit. They feel the need for closed doors and control over everything they do and is said about them. If TS is so convinced that it is the right thing to do by the supporters and he has effectively communicated the reasons why the hell is he worried how many people have read it?
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Post by jeycov on Apr 17, 2014 19:09:49 GMT
A major point made here on the Oatcake and indeed on the Sunday knot fm show, was the short notice of the change of payment opportunities
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Post by scfcno1fan on Apr 17, 2014 19:10:50 GMT
Its the main reason I thought it was useful to post. Scholes does not seem to have a great like for the Oatcake it would seem. Haha. Not really surprised with a few that don't like him too much on here. It least we know that some of the messages on here are getting through. Which I suppose could be a good or bad thing. I am just dangling the bait for him Sarge.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 19:13:25 GMT
Who was the other poster?
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Post by sportsman on Apr 17, 2014 19:14:54 GMT
Didn't want to comment at this stage on naming rights of the stadium. Interesting or just a standard reply?
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Post by scfcno1fan on Apr 17, 2014 19:15:58 GMT
Interesting quote from Scholes.. "The Season Card announcement and campaign has been almost unanimously well received including some extremely positive reporting by The Sentinel. The only negative as been a thread on the Oatcake on the removal of the 4 month direct debit scheme. TS urged the SC to be cautious in reading these threads & not to assume they are widely held views. In this case the vast majority of the thread was a conversation with between 2 people – 1 of whom was concerned about his credit worthiness and not strictly the removal of the 4 monthly payment scheme, the other who posts actively on any and all subjects. The danger and the potential real problem here is that over 1,000 people viewed the thread and could potentially be affected by the negativity of it and thereby damaging the huge effort and cost of the positive PR from the campaign itself."Sadly this little snippet tells you plenty about how our club has become part of the Premier League paranoid horse shit. They feel the need for closed doors and control over everything they do and is said about them. If TS is so convinced that it is the right thing to do by the supporters and he has effectively communicated the reasons why the hell is he worried how many people have read it?This is the main thing in my eyes. It just seems like an odd, unjustified attack on a relatively strong medium which no doubt is used to collect an understanding, albeit maybe not a comprehensive one, of the fans thoughts on such issues.
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Post by miggo on Apr 17, 2014 19:16:05 GMT
Can't say I agree with Scholes point hear, I was the person worried about my credit worthiness but my point was more about the club's lack of communication to fans regarding the change which has not been discussed at all. Must admit I'm disappointed that this has not been raised as I was assured it would be by the the council. Sent from my C6603 using proboards
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Post by scfcno1fan on Apr 17, 2014 19:17:05 GMT
Can't say I agree with Scholes point hear, I was the person worried about my credit worthiness but my point was more about the club's lack of communication to fans regarding the change which has not been discussed at all. Must admit I'm disappointed that this has not been raised as I was assured it would be by the the council. Sent from my C6603 using proboards From reading the minutes it seems like that point was dismissed instantly.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 17, 2014 19:17:37 GMT
Didn't want to comment at this stage on naming rights of the stadium. Interesting or just a standard reply? Premier league in many ways mate but communication is as poor as it has ever been. That was the main gripe with the getting rid of the 4 month plan.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 19:19:47 GMT
Who's Tracy Van De Laarschot?
Any relation to the fella who was on the S-O-T Council?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 17, 2014 19:23:41 GMT
Mmmmm - an obvious reply to Tony Scholes is that one reason the thread generated as much (negative) traffic as it did was because of the loss of the 4 instalment plan came as a bombshell to most of the people on the thread. There had been no prior warning about (or reasons for) the dropping of the very popular 4 instalment plan from the club, who simply concentrated their publicity on the new 12 month credit option.
The lesson is surely clear Mr Scholes...............if you don't want to see negative comment on the Oatcake, be open and up front about changes you make to the season ticket purchasing process - especially in a year when you are seeking to recover over 2,000 net season ticket sales lost last year . It is a tired old phrase - but I'm going to use it anyway
It's not rocket science - you are paid a large amount of money to get the communications with the fans right - and on this occasion you failed.
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Post by MadMarko10 on Apr 17, 2014 19:27:42 GMT
Mmmmm - an obvious reply to Tony Scholes is that one reason the thread generated as much (negative) traffic as it did was because of the loss of the 4 instalment plan came as a bombshell to most of the people on the thread. There had been no prior warning about (or reasons for) the dropping of the very popular 4 instalment plan from the club, who simply concentrated their publicity on the new 12 month credit option. The lesson is surely clear Mr Scholes...............if you don't want to see negative comment on the Oatcake be open and up front about changes you make to the season ticket purchasing process. It is a tired old phrase - but I'm going to use it anyway It's not rocket science - you are paid a large amount of money to get the communications with the fans right - and on this occasion you failed. That's absolutely spot on Lakeland. The sooner Scholes is removed from the club, the better.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Apr 17, 2014 19:31:32 GMT
Mmmmm - an obvious reply to Tony Scholes is that one reason the thread generated as much (negative) traffic as it did was because of the loss of the 4 instalment plan came as a bombshell to most of the people on the thread. There had been no prior warning about (or reasons for) the dropping of the very popular 4 instalment plan from the club, who simply concentrated their publicity on the new 12 month credit option. The lesson is surely clear Mr Scholes...............if you don't want to see negative comment on the Oatcake, be open and up front about changes you make to the season ticket purchasing process - especially in a year when you are seeking to recover over 2,000 net season ticket sales lost last year . It is a tired old phrase - but I'm going to use it anyway It's not rocket science - you are paid a large amount of money to get the communications with the fans right - and on this occasion you failed. Its strange because he then goes on to indirectly blame the SC for this lack of communication, saying they were too focused on the 12 month plan option. This focus was not meant to be to the detriment of the four month plan. I just find the whole 'diatribe' by Scholes very strange.
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Post by AlanHansen on Apr 17, 2014 19:32:18 GMT
Who's Tracy Van De Laarschot? Any relation to the fella who was on the S-O-T Council? Yes, she is. Wasn't she on wife swap once?
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Post by MadMarko10 on Apr 17, 2014 19:36:15 GMT
Mmmmm - an obvious reply to Tony Scholes is that one reason the thread generated as much (negative) traffic as it did was because of the loss of the 4 instalment plan came as a bombshell to most of the people on the thread. There had been no prior warning about (or reasons for) the dropping of the very popular 4 instalment plan from the club, who simply concentrated their publicity on the new 12 month credit option. The lesson is surely clear Mr Scholes...............if you don't want to see negative comment on the Oatcake, be open and up front about changes you make to the season ticket purchasing process - especially in a year when you are seeking to recover over 2,000 net season ticket sales lost last year . It is a tired old phrase - but I'm going to use it anyway It's not rocket science - you are paid a large amount of money to get the communications with the fans right - and on this occasion you failed. Its strange because he then goes on to indirectly blame the SC for this lack of communication, saying they were too focused on the 12 month plan option. This focus was not meant to be to the detriment of the four month plan. I just find the whole 'diatribe' by Scholes very strange. Another reason why he's got to go and sooner rather than later. It was a colossal balls up from the club to not speak to the SC, or the fans, in advance about their plans to scrap the four month plan and that has to put the blame directly at Scholes's door. Rather than apologise for the confusion and lack of communication, he's pointed fingers at everyone else but himself, including a messageboard which the club uses to gauge opinion on what's going on at the club! He really is a weasel.
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Post by miggo on Apr 17, 2014 19:37:03 GMT
Can't say I agree with Scholes point hear, I was the person worried about my credit worthiness but my point was more about the club's lack of communication to fans regarding the change which has not been discussed at all. Must admit I'm disappointed that this has not been raised as I was assured it would be by the the council. Sent from my C6603 using proboards And just to clear it up it wasn't a two way Convo at all myself, Stafford, robstoke2014, sportsman were all discussing this point so I'm not sure why he made the point of saying someone who posts 'actively and on all subjects' seems like he is bending the truth to fit his own wrong doings and try to sway the point to the council. Sent from my C6603 using proboards
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Post by scfcno1fan on Apr 17, 2014 19:40:35 GMT
Can't say I agree with Scholes point hear, I was the person worried about my credit worthiness but my point was more about the club's lack of communication to fans regarding the change which has not been discussed at all. Must admit I'm disappointed that this has not been raised as I was assured it would be by the the council. Sent from my C6603 using proboards And just to clear it up it wasn't a two way Convo at all myself, Stafford, robstoke2014, sportsman were all discussing this point so I'm not sure why he made the point of saying someone who posts 'actively and on all subjects' seems like he is bending the truth to fit his own wrong doings and try to sway the point to the council. Sent from my C6603 using proboards Maybe he is referring to SS as the person who posts actively. I also thought Lakeland and Paul Spencer were strong contributors to that thread, unless my memory is incorrect.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 19:42:03 GMT
Who's Tracy Van De Laarschot? Any relation to the fella who was on the S-O-T Council? Yes, she is. Wasn't she on wife swap once? No idea but what is she doing at the club/on the council?
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Post by MadMarko10 on Apr 17, 2014 19:42:46 GMT
Can't say I agree with Scholes point hear, I was the person worried about my credit worthiness but my point was more about the club's lack of communication to fans regarding the change which has not been discussed at all. Must admit I'm disappointed that this has not been raised as I was assured it would be by the the council. Sent from my C6603 using proboards And just to clear it up it wasn't a two way Convo at all myself, Stafford, robstoke2014, sportsman were all discussing this point so I'm not sure why he made the point of saying someone who posts 'actively and on all subjects' seems like he is bending the truth to fit his own wrong doings and try to sway the point to the council. Sent from my C6603 using proboards Indeed miggo, even I was active in that thread, as were many others. Scholes is trying to save face rather than admit he, and the club, got it wrong in regards to not communicating their plans at all.
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Post by miggo on Apr 17, 2014 19:44:46 GMT
And just to clear it up it wasn't a two way Convo at all myself, Stafford, robstoke2014, sportsman were all discussing this point so I'm not sure why he made the point of saying someone who posts 'actively and on all subjects' seems like he is bending the truth to fit his own wrong doings and try to sway the point to the council. Sent from my C6603 using proboards Maybe he is referring to SS as the person who posts actively. I also thought Lakeland and Paul Spencer were strong contributors to that thread, unless my memory is incorrect. I instantly thought ss but why given there was a few did he point one individual who is an active poster out seems out of place completely he could of just said it was a discussion amongst a minority of posters? Sent from my C6603 using proboards
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Post by DrGonzo on Apr 17, 2014 19:46:36 GMT
Did they mention the bizarre 'MP style' answers to the questions posted on the 'Q&A' on the matter of the 4 month plan? Every time anyone asked if and why it had been removed they were treated to a stock reply something along the lines of 'we have worked to develop a 9 month payment system blah blah'. They got rid of the system, fine but don't treat us like children and just tell us why. Very odd behaviour.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 17, 2014 19:48:14 GMT
Maybe he is referring to SS as the person who posts actively. I also thought Lakeland and Paul Spencer were strong contributors to that thread, unless my memory is incorrect. I instantly thought ss but why given there was a few did he point one individual who is an active poster out seems out of place completely he could of just said it was a discussion amongst a minority of posters? Sent from my C6603 using proboards I was actually pretty fair on that post after the initial shock of the removal was put out there. My major concern was the lack of communication as usual.
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