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Post by bettyswallox on Jan 25, 2014 14:41:26 GMT
I don't mind this deal TBH.
KJ will be gone either way in the summer, so we'd need another striker then anyway.
Odemwingie has a decent scoring record, whereas KJ never scores coming off the bench (that's not made up, it's a fact I remember reading somewhere).
We're basically getting a similar calibre of player, who was worth 2 million five months ago for free, while shipping out someone who's worth next to nowt as his contract's up soon.
Makes decent business sense to me.
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Post by Davef on Jan 25, 2014 14:41:56 GMT
So why go to a club like Palace where his targets are being denied already due to budgeting issues? It's more worrying as to the reasons why he saw fit to resign rather than why he took over palace. As it is there's money available at Palace 'if reports of Tony reaching a points target that triggers a further cash release' are to be believed. Getting players in at this time if month can be difficult which becomes even more difficult when finding yourself at the bottom of the table. Yes, Pulis got us Etherington 'last chance saloon' with him, and Beattie who had it all to improve again. Now folk are seeing that we cannot get our main targets and I believe it's linked with why Pulis got out. There's a thread in the Shit Bin you can use if you want to carry on this pointless argument.
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Post by werrington on Jan 25, 2014 14:42:05 GMT
So Tony bottled it then Tazi? Didn't like the direction the club was heading more like. So why are you constantly slaughtering Hughes then ? If Tony Pulis got out ( priceless ) because of this then you above everybody else should be supporting Hughes for taking the role on ? The plot is thickening
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Post by desman2 on Jan 25, 2014 14:42:08 GMT
This could have been a pivotal window for the club. As is known we lost 3000 season tickets last year and a lack of positive business could cause a few more to give it a miss. The early bird tickets tend to be wheeled out around March but as its between windows then some may think its not worth the investment. The one full time player weve signed who could possibly become a future sell on fee cant even play for us until next season. We're not doing ourselves any favours to any waivering ticket holders or any potential ticket holders.
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Post by march4 on Jan 25, 2014 14:42:20 GMT
Reckless spending my arse. Yes, Pulis wasted a bib or three but which manager hasn't?. £20 million a season seems a pretty good return to me and that's without attending a final along with Europe. Get £25-30 million for Shawcross and Bego and that brings the average down even further. As for Pulis, well one can now see he saw what was unfolding and got out if there. You really should be on medication for your obsession with TP. What is hard to understand about the word "Sacked", for you ? it was not mutual, he had no say in it. Saaaaaaaacked, you looney tune. Just for factual accuracy; Tony Pulis was not sacked. Sorry if that annoys anyone.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 25, 2014 14:43:05 GMT
I can live with it far easier if it's only an 18-month deal.
I was having nightmares over that last year of his deal when he would've been completely shot.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 25, 2014 14:44:38 GMT
Taz, Not that it makes a jot of difference but Tone was sacked/moved on. Stoke approached Hughes around this time last year to replace TP that summer. If it was up to Tone, he'd still be manager. To be honest if we had decided not to back whoever replaced him he may as well still be here. That is indeed what Mr Coates wanted everyone to believe, and guess what?, some supporters are falling for it. So he convinced one of Hughes back room staff who has admitted when he first heard about it?
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Jan 25, 2014 14:44:53 GMT
Has he any pace grapes? I can't recall seeing much of him live
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Post by werrington on Jan 25, 2014 14:45:05 GMT
Right so despite saying he loved Stoke , the people , the club etc, despite being desperate to roll out his dossier of Spanish/German football to change the way we played he decided not to fight, and let Peter Coates say he was sacked even though he wanted to leave because he didn't like the direction the club was going? Either he was sacked for being an incompetent or He left because he's a lying bottler Thanks for clearing that up. H I'm saying it's coming across as a sinking ship and cannot be blamed for not staying aboard. If its a sinking ship then Hughes should be applauded for having the balls to take it on then ? You are slipping up so much mate
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 25, 2014 14:46:25 GMT
An 18 month deal seems ok to me, we're shifting out a striker that can't be arsed to play and has then gone on strike to try and force a move, granted Odem is not the best in the world but has a decent goal scoring record in the prem and can play out wide as well. I'm not disappointed with this deal TBH. Gouranga.
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Post by timbo1988 on Jan 25, 2014 14:47:29 GMT
Has he any pace grapes? I can't recall seeing much of him live He did about. 2-3 years ago but no longer! He has been woeful at Cardiff!
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 25, 2014 14:47:48 GMT
Has he any pace grapes? I can't recall seeing much of him live As far as I can remember, he certainly used to, JSU. But some of our Welsh pals seem to think it's fading fast. I've literally paid zero attention to him this season though. So who knows? Not a good sign if Solskjaer can't wait to get rid, but I guess time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 14:47:58 GMT
Hughes has been hung out to dry financially by the club. Surely he did not sign up for this unless he is as gullible as some on here who fell for the Cartwright's worldwide scouting network bollocks.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 25, 2014 14:49:27 GMT
It's more worrying as to the reasons why he saw fit to resign rather than why he took over palace. As it is there's money available at Palace 'if reports of Tony reaching a points target that triggers a further cash release' are to be believed. Getting players in at this time if month can be difficult which becomes even more difficult when finding yourself at the bottom of the table. Yes, Pulis got us Etherington 'last chance saloon' with him, and Beattie who had it all to improve again. Now folk are seeing that we cannot get our main targets and I believe it's linked with why Pulis got out. There's a thread in the Shit Bin you can use if you want to carry on this pointless argument. About fucking time too anyone else would have had their spam removed by now. There's enough threads already about Pulis so why let Tazi hijack another one just so he can continue his Pulis wankfest? Gouranga.
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Post by mrpickles on Jan 25, 2014 14:50:22 GMT
You really should be on medication for your obsession with TP. What is hard to understand about the word "Sacked", for you ? it was not mutual, he had no say in it. Saaaaaaaacked, you looney tune. Just for factual accuracy; Tony Pulis was not sacked. Sorry if that annoys anyone. Come on mate, everyone knows he was sacked, regardless of the 'official line' "Although I am disappointed, I do understand what he means when he says the board feels a need to take the club in a different direction" That isn't the quote of a man who's left by mutual consent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 14:50:58 GMT
Whatever you think about Odemwingie it doesn't address our main problem areas. We still don't have a decent midfielder and we need a pacy striker to play in the lone striker role. Odemwingie is not suited to that role, though I suppose Hughes may disagre
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 14:52:24 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23931574a) OdemThingie signed for Baarrddiiff for TWO Years (so 18 months left to run right now), for £2.25m b) Apparently, at the time, Hughesy had been interesting in signing him (from Baggies) So ... you could look at this as Hughesy getting his man, for £2.25m less than he would have paid, and shifting Our Kenny on into the bargain. Whether Mr OdemThingie would - or indeed - is a good signing I wait to see. But he can't be much worse than a bloke Hughesy would not have played. While the days of rocking the city seem, sadly, long gone; I don't think this is quite as bad as many are making out. Other sources had it at 3 years MailLocal Welsh pressBut the official site backs up the 2-year dealThat does change things a bit. It starts to look a lot more sane if he signs an 18-month deal. Yeah, assuming we are basically taking on his deal, then you;d assume he won't be stupid money (no more than Our Kenny was supposed to be, anyway). 18 months is the twilight of a decent career. Either wide, or as pace (what he has left) late on and as something different to what we have; I think we've done worse business. Let's just hope it is 18 months.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 14:54:16 GMT
I'll throw another potential reason into the mix as to why it appears the spending has been cut significantly.
It would cost stoke millions upon millions upon millions to even become a top 6-8 club and I'm not sure Peter Coates and family see the point in that and here's my thinking why.
First of all there was talk of extending the ground capacity. After 5 consecutive seasons in the top flight, cup final and playing in Europe our attendances didn't improve and the idea of expanding the capacity looks like it will not materialise, Afterall, why should it because after achieving the above 'which is as good as it'll ever get for us' we then find we are losing supporters as opposed to gaining them?.
Some supporters say that the loss if supporters is down to the type of football Tony Pulis employed but in all reality this hasn't risen since Mark Hughes took over.
Do I blame mark Hughes?. No I don't blame him. Do I blame mark Hughes for a lack of discipline on the pitch?, yes I do but I guess that can spread to the players when they read/hear about a realistic target choosing to go elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 14:56:42 GMT
It's more worrying as to the reasons why he saw fit to resign rather than why he took over palace. As it is there's money available at Palace 'if reports of Tony reaching a points target that triggers a further cash release' are to be believed. Getting players in at this time if month can be difficult which becomes even more difficult when finding yourself at the bottom of the table. Yes, Pulis got us Etherington 'last chance saloon' with him, and Beattie who had it all to improve again. Now folk are seeing that we cannot get our main targets and I believe it's linked with why Pulis got out. So why has he been turned down when trying to sign Crouch and Etherington? Both low fees and moderate wages at this stage of their career's. It makes no sense and there is a reason for that. There is no sense in selling players when you are struggling to being in players yourself. Had stoke have got their targets then I doubt they'd be here any longer, whether it's going to palace or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 14:58:39 GMT
It's more worrying as to the reasons why he saw fit to resign rather than why he took over palace. As it is there's money available at Palace 'if reports of Tony reaching a points target that triggers a further cash release' are to be believed. Getting players in at this time if month can be difficult which becomes even more difficult when finding yourself at the bottom of the table. Yes, Pulis got us Etherington 'last chance saloon' with him, and Beattie who had it all to improve again. Now folk are seeing that we cannot get our main targets and I believe it's linked with why Pulis got out. There's a thread in the Shit Bin you can use if you want to carry on this pointless argument. Pointless, right, I guess that the whole of the main board could be put in the shitbin if unconfirmed opinions are anything to go by. Lame again Dave.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 15:01:17 GMT
Lost track of where I'm up to in attempting to give thoughts to my opinions.
It's there anyway as to what I believe.
Leave it or leave it I really do not care.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 25, 2014 15:01:33 GMT
There's a thread in the Shit Bin you can use if you want to carry on this pointless argument. Pointless, right, I guess that the whole of the main board could be put in the shitbin if unconfirmed opinions are anything to go by. Lame again Dave. Not worth the argument mate. The anyone but pulis brigade must be feeling pretty fuckin stupid right now. What a bastard joke .
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Post by werrington on Jan 25, 2014 15:06:22 GMT
Pointless, right, I guess that the whole of the main board could be put in the shitbin if unconfirmed opinions are anything to go by. Lame again Dave. Not worth the argument mate. The anyone but pulis brigade must be feeling pretty fuckin stupid right now. What a bastard joke . Why would they feel stupid ? Surely you lot who idolise him can now start to sympathise with Hughes ? You've lost me Stafford
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 15:08:10 GMT
Not at all. Pretty lame Dave. Took more bottle come back than resigning. One thing Pulis cannot be accused of is bottling it. Yet that's what you're accusing him of doing. He didn't like the direction the club was going in, so he quit.... It's bullshit Tazi, so just give it a rest. And stop turning every thread into a Pulis debate! I can prove it isn't bullshit just as much as you can that it is. Spin not going on at a football club, who'd have thought it!.
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Post by aixpotter on Jan 25, 2014 15:09:06 GMT
You really should be on medication for your obsession with TP. What is hard to understand about the word "Sacked", for you ? it was not mutual, he had no say in it. Saaaaaaaacked, you looney tune. Just for factual accuracy; Tony Pulis was not sacked. Sorry if that annoys anyone. Sorry again March, that is totally incorrect, he was sacked.
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Post by niel on Jan 25, 2014 15:09:22 GMT
It will be a good move only for the fact that Hughes will be getting a player he wants to use rather than Jones who he blatantly doesn't rate. Odemwingie can also play wide so if he replaces Waltets as well then winner winner. We must bring in a front line forward though. No excuses on that front. If you think Odemwingie is a step up on Walters then you need to check what you're drinking mate as i suspect your drinks have been spiked...Odemwingie is gash
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 15:09:40 GMT
Not worth the argument mate. The anyone but pulis brigade must be feeling pretty fuckin stupid right now. What a bastard joke . Why would they feel stupid ? Surely you lot who idolise him can now start to sympathise with Hughes ? You've lost me Stafford As if by coincidence here comes another one defending the Pulis out brigade.
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Post by interestedobserver on Jan 25, 2014 15:11:25 GMT
Uh-oh. Looks like Coates has somehow tricked The Google into thinking he sacked Pulis. pulis sacked stoke
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 15:12:22 GMT
Just for factual accuracy; Tony Pulis was not sacked. Sorry if that annoys anyone. Sorry again March, that is totally incorrect, he was sacked.Welcome aboard march, only got another 9,998 to convince then we can have a protest against Coates. Smileyfaceythingygoeshere.
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Post by george2again on Jan 25, 2014 15:12:52 GMT
Would it not be better to negotiate releasing KJ from his contract rather than adding PO to the deal? The only plausible reason for signing an ageing striker is a way of shifting KJ? Problem is we are likely to be left with a striker with no resale value, who hasn't played for a year. PO relies on pace , at 33, and when you haven't played for as long as him only one thing you can guarantee is a pile of injuries. SHOCKING DECISION TO SIGN HIM.
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