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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 18:50:00 GMT
For the love of God. Charlie's were awful.
Arnie put 2 or 3 balls into the box, which created danger - and a goal. Surely he should be on corners / advanced free kicks?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 18:52:46 GMT
fully agree, adam played well today but his set pieces were terrible. much rather see arnie on free kicks and whelan on corners.
also cameron looks to have a good delivery, maybe he would be worth a shout on set pieces
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Post by wuzza on Jan 12, 2014 19:03:17 GMT
I think Charlie was on for some sort of world record today with set pieces that failed to get past the first opposition player they reached.
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Post by kingstokie on Jan 12, 2014 19:44:31 GMT
"Set pieces worth £10 million"
Was that an optional extra, then?
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Post by Northy on Jan 12, 2014 19:47:46 GMT
Will he be on the pitch next week though if ossie is back
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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 12, 2014 19:48:51 GMT
Arnie's corners are the worst I've ever seen. He can't beat the first man.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 20:03:15 GMT
Arnie's corners are the worst I've ever seen. He can't beat the first man. typo ? |
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jan 12, 2014 20:22:58 GMT
The only thing i'd put Arnie on is fookin car park duty.
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Post by philm87 on Jan 12, 2014 20:25:07 GMT
Arnie was taking corners a few weeks back... they were even worse.
Dunno why Charlie has lost his dead ball ability. Used to be one of the best around.
Some folk shouting abuse at him doesn't help much though.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jan 12, 2014 20:27:03 GMT
Arnie was taking corners a few weeks back... they were even worse. Dunno why Charlie has lost his dead ball ability. Used to be one of the best around. Some folk shouting abuse at him doesn't help much though. Does that include the manager as well again today? |
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Post by philm87 on Jan 12, 2014 20:35:07 GMT
Arnie was taking corners a few weeks back... they were even worse. Dunno why Charlie has lost his dead ball ability. Used to be one of the best around. Some folk shouting abuse at him doesn't help much though. Does that include the manager as well again today? Nah I was talking about Adam... came over to take a freekick near where I was sitting, some bloke stood up and shouted 'Try and beat the first man this time you fat twat'. Adam did beat the first man... it went straight out for a goal kick. Not a coincidence IMO. Symptomatic of our support nowadays... we now blend in well with the modern Premier League fans unfortunately. |
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jan 12, 2014 20:41:57 GMT
Does that include the manager as well again today? Nah I was talking about Adam... came over to take a freekick near where I was sitting, some bloke stood up and shouted 'Try and beat the first man this time you fat twat'. Adam did beat the first man... it went straight out for a goal kick. Not a coincidence IMO. Symptomatic of our support nowadays... we now blend in well with the modern Premier League fans unfortunately. Ok mate sorry  wrong end of the stick. |
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Post by Bombus on Jan 12, 2014 20:44:39 GMT
The only thing i'd put Arnie on is fookin car park duty. Harshhhhhhhhhhhhhh, mate |
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jan 12, 2014 20:46:37 GMT
The only thing i'd put Arnie on is fookin car park duty. Harshhhhhhhhhhhhhh, mate He's a passenger mate and we can't afford that at the minute imo. |
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jan 12, 2014 21:30:54 GMT
Whelan takes good corners
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 21:33:52 GMT
I cannot believe our corner taking and free kicks. Time without number they don,t get past the first man.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jan 12, 2014 21:38:34 GMT
Its got to be a tactic we seem to want to attack the near post and try and flick the header on however if a team put a decent man on the near post then we're fucked. Hence when we take a corner which directly follows he puts it higher.
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Post by scfc5 on Jan 12, 2014 21:41:34 GMT
He's a passenger mate and we can't afford that at the minute imo. Have to agree at present. Not involved at all first-half apart from the cross to Crouch. Good second-half but too sporadic. Needs to get back to his pre-Old Trafford form regularly. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 12, 2014 21:44:09 GMT
The delivery from them all is shit. Arnie took a few weeks back and they barely beat the first man. Adam does the same. Whelan's are hit and miss. Maybe N'Zonzi should have a go?
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 12, 2014 23:42:53 GMT
Work aaaaaaaaaaaaard, triffic.
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Post by stokeyouth on Jan 12, 2014 23:53:55 GMT
The delivery from them all is shit. Arnie took a few weeks back and they barely beat the first man. Adam does the same. Whelan's are hit and miss. Maybe N'Zonzi should have a go? I'd like to think nzonzi has a bit of ability in the air. I still think its mind boggling that experienced footballers can get an football over the first man, you've kicked a ball s million fucking times just hit it over him |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 12, 2014 23:56:34 GMT
Its got to be a tactic we seem to want to attack the near post and try and flick the header on however if a team put a decent man on the near post then we're fucked. Hence when we take a corner which directly follows he puts it higher. I think this is very likely, or at least have to believe it's very likely, the alternative isn't worth considering ... Players at this level simply have to be able to beat the first man, unless they're being instructed to put it into the near post, don't they? |
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Post by jarhead on Jan 13, 2014 0:02:41 GMT
Adam had a real bad day but normally he's better than that.
Adam to stay on them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 8:18:17 GMT
We're a work in progress ffs.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 13, 2014 8:36:33 GMT
As Adam is probably the best striker of the ball in the squad, you could make a decent case for someone else taking the corners even if Adam's corners were better than they are. Adam would be better utilised to pick up any loose balls which came out to the fringe of the penalty area.
Something I like about our corners under TP was that Pennant and Ethers tended to share the job so that we could put inswingers in from either side of the pitch. If Adam loses the job then I'd like to see Assaidi sharing the job with a right footed player - or players. Maybe Whelan, Arnie or even Ireland - depending upon who is on the pitch.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 13, 2014 9:09:11 GMT
Exactly.
Being able to strike a ball cleanly should be a minimum requirement at this level, we should have the nouse to mix corners and set pieces etc up a bit.
Not seen a Huth wall splitter for ages. Wilson, Whelan, Adam, Arnie, N'Zonzi, Cameron, Walters, Ireland or even Crouch should all be able to contribute. There should be more options tried each game. Stir it up.
It's been an issue for at least 12 months with no sign of real improvement. Pennant's at WHU, Arnie's at OT, and the short free kick which bypassed the wall and put Ireland through, Swansea?{though we didn't score from it}seem to have been false dawns.
Doesn't look like there is much thought going into this vital aspect of the game.
It's obvious we won't score off every one, but we're not helping our conversion percentages with such poor execution and predictability.
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Post by apb1 on Jan 13, 2014 9:23:42 GMT
As Adam is probably the best striker of the ball in the squad, you could make a decent case for someone else taking the corners even if Adam's corners were better than they are. Adam would be better utilised to pick up any loose balls which came out to the fringe of the penalty area. Something I like about our corners under TP was that Pennant and Ethers tended to share the job so that we could put inswingers in from either side of the pitch. If Adam loses the job then I'd like to see Assaidi sharing the job with a right footed player - or players. Maybe Whelan, Arnie or even Ireland - depending upon who is on the pitch. Isn't Assaidi right-footed? I agree with your observation re the inswingers though. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 13, 2014 9:29:29 GMT
As Adam is probably the best striker of the ball in the squad, you could make a decent case for someone else taking the corners even if Adam's corners were better than they are. Adam would be better utilised to pick up any loose balls which came out to the fringe of the penalty area. Something I like about our corners under TP was that Pennant and Ethers tended to share the job so that we could put inswingers in from either side of the pitch. If Adam loses the job then I'd like to see Assaidi sharing the job with a right footed player - or players. Maybe Whelan, Arnie or even Ireland - depending upon who is on the pitch. Isn't Assaidi right-footed? I agree with your observation re the inswingers though. Ooops - yes he is! We are struggling to get a left footed corner taker other than Adam. Still think he should be taken off corners for a while though - they are one of the worst features of our play at the moment. |
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Post by parkhallpotter1 on Jan 13, 2014 10:23:40 GMT
I'd love to see Arnie on the bench.Preferably somebody else's bench !
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Post by metalhead on Jan 13, 2014 10:26:26 GMT
This might annoy a few people but maybe Whelan should take them. His corners aren't bad.
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wrong end of the stick.
