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Man Utd
Jan 6, 2014 12:35:27 GMT
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Jan 6, 2014 12:35:27 GMT
without Ronaldo, Rooney and RVP last season they wouldn't have scored the goals to get them winning the matches that enabled tonwin those titles Without Messi, Barcelona wouldn't have scored all the goals that won them their titles either. Your point is? Barca have got world class players from 1 to 11 and without Messi they would still win the league, just have poorer goal difference. They reguarly score 5 or 6 goals a game conceeding very few. So your Messi point is in valid they have proved they can score and win games without him. Man United are proving now that they struggle to win games without RVP goals because the team and squad aren't good enough. Like ive said previously RVP won it for them last season, without him they would have finished outside the top 4
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 6, 2014 12:51:29 GMT
I find it amazing that they do rely on RVP as much as they do. They have enough striking talent to cover for him but seemingly they can't cope.
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Post by craig67 on Jan 6, 2014 13:16:53 GMT
Don't stop me once I get going Bayern!! Even when it was serene we couldn't get a shot on target.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 6, 2014 13:19:10 GMT
Don't stop me once I get going Bayern!! Even when it was serene we couldn't get a shot on target. We couldn't and there's no excuse but Man Yoo had it easier in the second half when they should have had a hurricane blowing in their face. I thought both teams were shit and they didn't look like scoring until Palacios nodded off, which was annoying. It was a dreadful game.
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Post by craig67 on Jan 6, 2014 13:49:09 GMT
Better luck next time then?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 6, 2014 13:51:33 GMT
I'd like to think so but for about 3 seasons now I've gone into the Man Yoo home game thinking "this team looks shit, we can do 'em" and we never do.
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Post by britsabroad on Jan 6, 2014 15:07:14 GMT
Without Messi, Barcelona wouldn't have scored all the goals that won them their titles either. Your point is? Barca have got world class players from 1 to 11 and without Messi they would still win the league, just have poorer goal difference. They reguarly score 5 or 6 goals a game conceeding very few. So your Messi point is in valid they have proved they can score and win games without him. Man United are proving now that they struggle to win games without RVP goals because the team and squad aren't good enough. Like ive said previously RVP won it for them last season, without him they would have finished outside the top 4 What about the season before? Where they finished on exactly the same number of points (89) with almost the exact same squad minus RVP? You can peddle the myth all you like, but don't pretend its not bullshit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 6, 2014 15:12:10 GMT
Barca have got world class players from 1 to 11 and without Messi they would still win the league, just have poorer goal difference. They reguarly score 5 or 6 goals a game conceeding very few. So your Messi point is in valid they have proved they can score and win games without him. Man United are proving now that they struggle to win games without RVP goals because the team and squad aren't good enough. Like ive said previously RVP won it for them last season, without him they would have finished outside the top 4 What about the season before? Where they finished on exactly the same number of points (89) with almost the exact same squad minus RVP? You can peddle the myth all you like, but don't pretend its not bullshit. Vidic, Rio, Carrick, Evra and Giggs were all that little bit younger which helped and I'm guessing Fletcher was fine too. And was that the season they got Scholes back out of desperation? I can't remember but it was desperate and a sign imo that Fergie knew they were struggling They've got an aging squad and are bereft of serious quality in the middle of the park and out wide. They've tried replacing the oldies with the like of Jones, Smalling and Cleverly but they just aren't good enough.
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Post by britsabroad on Jan 6, 2014 15:15:25 GMT
What about the season before? Where they finished on exactly the same number of points (89) with almost the exact same squad minus RVP? You can peddle the myth all you like, but don't pretend its not bullshit. Vidic, Rio, Carrick, Evra and Giggs were all that little bit younger which helped and I'm guessing Fletcher was fine too. And was that the season they got Scholes back out of desperation? I can't remember but it was desperate and a sign imo that Fergie knew they were struggling They've got an aging squad and are bereft of serious quality in the middle of the park and out wide. They've tried replacing the oldies with the like of Jones, Smalling and Cleverly but they just aren't good enough. I agree they're in a bit of trouble now, but this whole idea that they've been shit for years and saved only by RVP, Rooney, Ronaldo etc is bollocks.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 6, 2014 15:24:33 GMT
Vidic, Rio, Carrick, Evra and Giggs were all that little bit younger which helped and I'm guessing Fletcher was fine too. And was that the season they got Scholes back out of desperation? I can't remember but it was desperate and a sign imo that Fergie knew they were struggling They've got an aging squad and are bereft of serious quality in the middle of the park and out wide. They've tried replacing the oldies with the like of Jones, Smalling and Cleverly but they just aren't good enough. I agree they're in a bit of trouble now, but this whole idea that they've been shit for years and saved only by RVP, Rooney, Ronaldo etc is bollocks. I think they've had a good side but not a great side since Ronaldo and Tevez left. But that really was an unbelievable side when You look at it, Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez and Berbatov all in the same squad. Along with Vidic and Rio at full tilt-a world class centre half partnership, Scholes, Giggs and Carrick etc. And I do think RVP dragged them kicking and screaming last year but I also think it was probably one of Fergie's greatest achievements getting that squad to win the title. They had been showing signs of going downhill, it's easy to use shit as a term for that imo and I know I have, it's just laziness I guess. It's just been a steady culmination of things over the past 5 years that have lead to where they are know. That's not to say they've been shit but compared to what I've been used to in my lifetime, the more recent Man Yoo squads have looked the weakest in ages.
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