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Post by andylgr on Jan 5, 2014 13:21:14 GMT
Bunch of Mardarses if people think he should be banned for that.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 5, 2014 13:24:11 GMT
To be fair Salop I think it was you who started splitting hairs - it was a provocative gesture and it was meant to be one, regardless of who 'started it'. Virtually every opposition player who takes a corner in front of the Boothen gets dogs abuse EVERY TIME they take it but they all somehow manage to get on with it, without feeling the need to 'give it back'. Maybe we should set up a cordon of stewards in each corner, so that any player who feels he can't get on with the corner without giving a bit back to the crowd, has got a bit of protection eh? We don't live in a perfect world and as Friend Called Five has said further up the thread, there's a very good reason why footballers are encouraged not to engage opposition fans. Bollocks. If you give it out you should be big enough to take it back, if not tough shit and fucking grow up. I don't see why a football player regardless of how much he gets paid should turn a blind eye to someone calling his mum a whore, or whatever shit gets thrown at them. It's not law nor is it written into their contract that they can't get upset at some things shouted at them by the crowd, and it certainly shouldn't be 'part of the job'. Those Spurs fans made themselves look a bunch of idiots yesterday and if a smile and a 2-0 gesture is all it takes for them to storm the pitch I suggest they go to anger management the clowns. H As I said, we don't live in a perfect world and there's a reason why players are encouraged not to engage opposition supporters. That in no way excuses the Spurs (or indeed any other) fans of course. Next you'll be telling me that referees should be giving it back to fans too if they don't like the abuse they get.
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Post by kettle2013 on Jan 5, 2014 13:26:54 GMT
Fair play to him. Added to the atmosphere.
To be fair I think players should be able to give it bk to supporters, some of the shit I hear our lot song and shout is pretty ropey!
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Post by RAF on Jan 5, 2014 13:33:48 GMT
Bollocks. If you give it out you should be big enough to take it back, if not tough shit and fucking grow up. I don't see why a football player regardless of how much he gets paid should turn a blind eye to someone calling his mum a whore, or whatever shit gets thrown at them. It's not law nor is it written into their contract that they can't get upset at some things shouted at them by the crowd, and it certainly shouldn't be 'part of the job'. Those Spurs fans made themselves look a bunch of idiots yesterday and if a smile and a 2-0 gesture is all it takes for them to storm the pitch I suggest they go to anger management the clowns. H As I said, we don't live in a perfect world and there's a reason why players are encouraged not to engage opposition supporters. That in no way excuses the Spurs (or indeed any other) fans of course. Next you'll be telling me that referees should be giving it back to fans too if they don't like the abuse they get. I think anyone who is being abused has the right to retaliate if they so wish. H
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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 5, 2014 13:38:11 GMT
Agree with Spencer here- it was a stupid thing to do, mainly because of the impact that his actions could have had on the stretcher bearers. He was putting other peoples' safety at risk, although he probably didn't think about that at the time.
If Theo was brave/foolhardy enough to do the same thing on his own then I think it's a slightly different kettle of fish. It's silly and unnecessary but as others have said, there's nothing illegal about telling people a football score, especially if they've been giving you abuse for the last hour. The blame in these circumstances would be entirely on the crowd members who threw coins. However, I'd certainly be having strong words with Walcott if I was his manager, as by goading a pissed-up mob you're really risking your own safety as well- which is fine if you're not an asset that's worth several million pounds to your employers.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 5, 2014 13:38:37 GMT
As I said, we don't live in a perfect world and there's a reason why players are encouraged not to engage opposition supporters. That in no way excuses the Spurs (or indeed any other) fans of course. Next you'll be telling me that referees should be giving it back to fans too if they don't like the abuse they get. I think anyone who is being abused has the right to retaliate if they so wish. H Fair do's mate. I think it'd completely change football if every one did though, especially if the referees did.
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Post by RAF on Jan 5, 2014 13:40:50 GMT
I think anyone who is being abused has the right to retaliate if they so wish. H Fair do's mate. I think it'd completely change football if every one did though, especially if the referees did. Like you've said above, not everyone does. And fair play to them for rising above it, however I don't see why they should ignore it if they feel aggrieved. H
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Post by RAF on Jan 5, 2014 13:42:05 GMT
Agree with Spencer here- it was a stupid thing to do, mainly because of the impact that his actions could have had on the stretcher bearers. He was putting other peoples' safety at risk, although he probably didn't think about that at the time. If Theo was brave/foolhardy enough to do the same thing on his own then I think it's a slightly different kettle of fish. It's silly and unnecessary but as others have said, there's nothing illegal about telling people a football score, especially if they've been giving you abuse for the last hour. The blame in these circumstances would be entirely on the crowd members who threw coins. However, I'd certainly be having strong words with Walcott if I was his manager, as by goading a pissed-up mob you're really risking your own safety as well- which is fine if you're not an asset that's worth several million pounds to your employers. That's what stewards get paid for Trousers! H
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Post by robboleek on Jan 5, 2014 13:42:29 GMT
If he had been walking behind the goal on his own then he almost certainly wouldn't have responded as he did and it was specifically because he had had a bunch of stewards around him, meant that he then felt 'big enough' to give it back. Did Walcott consult with any of the people who were carrying him before he started making his gestures? Yes his actions were in no way offensive but doesn't he have responsibility for his actions in terms of what effect they might have on the people carrying him on the stretcher? Of course the Spurs fans shouldn't be chucking stuff as result of Walcott's provocation (and it most certainly was provocation) but nevertheless, somebody could have lost an eye quite easily. Thankfully nobody did but how would his actions have been viewed if one of the stewards had have been seriously injured? I thought he took a bit of a liberty with the fellas who were carrying him if I'm honest. Absolutely 100% agree with the above, spot in. Theo's millions would not have bought one of those fellas a new eye had a pound coin found it's mark!
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 5, 2014 13:49:05 GMT
Spot on Salop. Why shouldn't Walcott respond to the Spurs fans? Have it back, dickheads. Hard fans who can dish it out and then cry to mummy when a nasty footballer dares to give it back. Are these Tottenham fans, trying to maim a an opposition player (and 6 club official) by throwing potential lethal missiles, the same Tottenham fans wetting their knickers about a miss-timed tackle which caused an injury to one of their Princesses only last week? Perhaps someone with better computer skills than me could seek out and destroy that cock who blogged his hatred of Charlie. I wonder if 'The Beast' was watching yesterday?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 5, 2014 13:51:06 GMT
Fair do's mate. I think it'd completely change football if every one did though, especially if the referees did. Like you've said above, not everyone does. And fair play to them for rising above it, however I don't see why they should ignore it if they feel aggrieved. H I think they should rise above it (and the vast majority of players do) for the reasons that have already been mentioned. And if you say that it's okay for one (or some) player(s) not to do so, then that means it's okay for everybody (including the referees) not to do so, which would make for a very different experience at football matches I'd guess.
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Post by RAF on Jan 5, 2014 13:54:39 GMT
Like you've said above, not everyone does. And fair play to them for rising above it, however I don't see why they should ignore it if they feel aggrieved. H I think they should rise above it (and the vast majority of players do) for the reasons that have already been mentioned. And if you say that it's okay for one (or some) player(s) to do so, then that means it's okay for everybody (including the referees) to do so, which would make for a very different experience at football matches I'd guess. It's everyone's right to retaliate if they wish, it always has been. I don't see why it should be any other way. Just like not all football fans get upset at someone gesticulating at them. Remember Dennis Wise at the Brit? He was quality and quite funny. H
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 5, 2014 13:58:33 GMT
I think they should rise above it (and the vast majority of players do) for the reasons that have already been mentioned. And if you say that it's okay for one (or some) player(s) to do so, then that means it's okay for everybody (including the referees) to do so, which would make for a very different experience at football matches I'd guess. It's everyone's right to retaliate if they wish, it always has been. I don't see why it should be any other way.Just like not all football fans get upset at someone gesticulating at them. Remember Dennis Wise at the Brit? He was quality and quite funny. H I think we'll just have to agree to disagree mate, I don't think either of us are likely to change each other's opinion here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 14:17:10 GMT
There is no way he should be banned for that.
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Post by stokeyouth on Jan 5, 2014 14:22:58 GMT
Will Wallclott get a ban ? What sort of pansy is he , he gets carried off in his carry-cot then hes goading the Spurs fans with double fingers . Hope he gets a 3 match ban like others would .. Stupid little idiot . and thats an England Player . How fucking precious are you? When hes injured he gets coins thrown at him, chants of 'Let him die, let him die' and he cant have a bit of banter back? If you ban him for 3 games then the whole of that stand must be banned for 3 games too. This is a fierce derby/rivalry, its supposed to be full of passion. If Wilko did it against Vale I bet youd be saying 'Absolute legend'. Its Arsenal and I hate Arsenal but its funny and if you ban him for that then youre going to start banning players for celebrations. Or any emotion. If the keeper pulls off a save and fist pumps he should be sentoff
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Post by PenkPonther on Jan 6, 2014 0:52:47 GMT
Inciting the fans is also against the rules and this is what he and Adebayor did, its in the rules so rightly or wrongly they'll get in trouble for it, its not about offence as you put it. Authorities must examine whether an offence has actually occurred, because if they don't, ANYTHING could constitute incitement. Wearing a Stoke top, smiling, tying your shoelaces, whistling on a Saturday... all of them "incitement", if a lunatic decides to go on the rampage in response.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 6, 2014 2:27:24 GMT
Inciting the fans is also against the rules and this is what he and Adebayor did, its in the rules so rightly or wrongly they'll get in trouble for it, its not about offence as you put it. Authorities must examine whether an offence has actually occurred, because if they don't, ANYTHING could constitute incitement. Wearing a Stoke top, smiling, tying your shoelaces, whistling on a Saturday... all of them "incitement", if a lunatic decides to go on the rampage in response. True, but he knew where he was and what he was doing, as long as hes not thick as shit he also knew they would react in some way or other, its clearly not the same as wearing a stoke top, smiling or tying your shoe lace. They are wrong for throwing things of course, but he should get something said to him at least, Adebayor got 2 match suspended and a £25000 fine for celebrating.
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Post by minty1964 on Jan 6, 2014 6:37:02 GMT
Walcott has been given a Warning, but no Axtion to be taken.
Reason: he was provoked
Outcome: watch this space as I now think a strong precedent has been set for future cases...can of worms springs to mind :-) especially with players from less fashionable clubs
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Post by sportsman on Jan 6, 2014 6:56:25 GMT
Should have been banned simple as. Taking your shirt off or inciting the crowd is a yellow card. Fans take their shirts off players can't.
Just because fans can do certain things verbally doesn't mean players have the right to start sticking fingers up or whatever. They are there to be bigger and professional, play football and entertain. We are there to support and piss take. Un written rules.
Previous! Wondered when that word would show up on this board again.
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Post by minty1964 on Jan 6, 2014 7:50:08 GMT
oops..... action,,,derrrr
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 7:52:29 GMT
Should have been banned simple as. Taking your shirt off or inciting the crowd is a yellow card. Fans take their shirts off players can't. Just because fans can do certain things verbally doesn't mean players have the right to start sticking fingers up or whatever. They are there to be bigger and professional, play football and entertain. We are there to support and piss take. Un written rules. Previous! Wondered when that word would show up on this board again. So fans can say whatever they want to players and players have to uniformly stand there and take it? What a load of bollocks.
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Post by sportsman on Jan 6, 2014 8:20:50 GMT
Yes they do. Its whats happened since god knows when. Since when have you decided that players should all of a sudden start to react? When have they? When we sing john terry you're a wanker did you see him do the wanker sign back? What would the boothen end do if he did that after he scored in front of them.
Ive never read such bollocks on here
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Post by frumpy on Jan 6, 2014 10:31:36 GMT
I don't get the attitude that fans can say whatever they want when taunting players but a player can't respond in any way.
Seems ridiculous. If you can give it you should be able to receive it unless you're a pussy. When fans talk about your mom, your family or your kids, middle fingers in response is quite tame.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 10:45:31 GMT
I don't get the attitude that fans can say whatever they want when taunting players but a player can't respond in any way. Seems ridiculous. If you can give it you should be able to receive it unless you're a pussy. When fans talk about your mom, your family or your kids, middle fingers in response is quite tame. I don't think too many of us have got that attitude. If all the goading and retaliation was confined to verbals and a few hand signals we'd all be happy and I'm sure it would actually be quite funny. The problem is that it doesn't end there does it. You get stretcher bearers being pelted by coins because some people can't control themselves. That's why footballers have known for many years now that they shouldn't provoke fans in the way that Walcott did, and that's why they run the risk of bans or fines.
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Post by frumpy on Jan 6, 2014 10:49:24 GMT
I don't get the attitude that fans can say whatever they want when taunting players but a player can't respond in any way. Seems ridiculous. If you can give it you should be able to receive it unless you're a pussy. When fans talk about your mom, your family or your kids, middle fingers in response is quite tame. I don't think too many of us have got that attitude. If all the goading and retaliation was confined to verbals and a few hand signals we'd all be happy and I'm sure it would actually be quite funny. The problem is that it doesn't end there does it. You get stretcher bearers being pelted by coins because some people can't control themselves. That's why footballers have known for many years now that they shouldn't provoke fans in the way that Walcott did, and that's why they run the risk of bans or fines. The bigger issue is idiots throwing coins at stretcher bearers. They should be held responsible. Plenty of pro leagues get on just fine without allowing that shite.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 10:55:34 GMT
I don't think too many of us have got that attitude. If all the goading and retaliation was confined to verbals and a few hand signals we'd all be happy and I'm sure it would actually be quite funny. The problem is that it doesn't end there does it. You get stretcher bearers being pelted by coins because some people can't control themselves. That's why footballers have known for many years now that they shouldn't provoke fans in the way that Walcott did, and that's why they run the risk of bans or fines. The bigger issue is idiots throwing coins at stretcher bearers. They should be held responsible. Plenty of pro leagues get on just fine without allowing that shite. I agree, it is the bigger issue, and we don't allow it here either. The point is that prevention is better than cure, so the football authorities would prefer players not to rile these idiots needlessly if at all possible so that hopefully, coins don't get thrown and innocent people don't get caught in the crossfire. I don't get why that's so difficult to understand.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 6, 2014 10:59:19 GMT
The bigger issue is idiots throwing coins at stretcher bearers. They should be held responsible. Plenty of pro leagues get on just fine without allowing that shite. I agree, it is the bigger issue, and we don't allow it here either. The point is that prevention is better than cure, so the football authorities would prefer players not to rile these idiots needlessly if at all possible so that hopefully, coins don't get thrown and innocent people don't get caught in the crossfire. I don't get why that's so difficult to understand. I think it's one of these you're looking for FCF ...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 11:05:17 GMT
I agree, it is the bigger issue, and we don't allow it here either. The point is that prevention is better than cure, so the football authorities would prefer players not to rile these idiots needlessly if at all possible so that hopefully, coins don't get thrown and innocent people don't get caught in the crossfire. I don't get why that's so difficult to understand. I think it's one of these you're looking for FCF ... I'm too good natured to say it, but I think there's some of this going on too...
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Post by frumpy on Jan 6, 2014 11:06:30 GMT
The bigger issue is idiots throwing coins at stretcher bearers. They should be held responsible. Plenty of pro leagues get on just fine without allowing that shite. I agree, it is the bigger issue, and we don't allow it here either. The point is that prevention is better than cure, so the football authorities would prefer players not to rile these idiots needlessly if at all possible so that hopefully, coins don't get thrown and innocent people don't get caught in the crossfire. I don't get why that's so difficult to understand. Give bans to fans caught throwing coins, that'll help with prevention. And where the hell did I say I didn't understand the FA would prefer players not rile the fans up? Don't put words in my mouth. That's so obvious it doesn't need to be brought up. Of course the FA wishes players didn't antagonize fans.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 11:12:21 GMT
Any fan caught throwing coins will get a ban, and hopefully some sort of prosecution. There's a hell of a lot of cameras at Premier League grounds as well. I'd be surprised if they all got away with it.
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