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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 21:14:12 GMT
I don't and never will understand why people sing this shit at football. I remember going to filbert street in about 1996 and it was being sung in the streets outside the ground, luton the same season actually as well. What the fuck has it actually got to do with supporting stoke city football club? Also, are there no indian or pakistani people in stoke on trent, genuine question because i don't live there, don't walk the streets? Stoke-on-Trent is a diverse and multi-cultural city where the leader of the council is Asian. Makes the people chanting this shit sound even more stupid. Especially when there's an Asian chap chanting this shit.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 4, 2014 21:14:57 GMT
It doesn't matter how many times the Paki/Aussie point is explained on here (about every week), the people questioning don't actually want to understand why one is acceptable and one isn't....or in some cases are just too fucking thick to understand it. I've wasted God knows how much time trying to explain this before using crayons and nice easy-to-understand pictures, but no, it doesn't seem to sink in. The conclusion I've come to is that the only contribution I can make to these threads is to save other people the time and effort trying. Basically, if you can't understand the difference yourself then you're a tit. Surely calling someone a tit is offensive. It is titist...
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Post by redwhite on Jan 4, 2014 21:16:45 GMT
Something trivial like calling someone a 'dirty cheating black cunt' you mean? Oh ffs. I said I wasn't getting involved in this shit again. Zzzzz You're sort of getting yourself involved with it when you say you're against racism despite the fact that you've admitted racially abusing someone yourself.
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Post by cmc89 on Jan 4, 2014 21:18:32 GMT
Stafford, do you think "You're just a town full of p***'s" is racist? If you had an asian friend with you who found it offensive, would you ask the people singing it to stop? I agree it may be offensive but not sure it's racist. The thing is I was bought up with all races. We had 2 shops near where I lived. 1 was the top shop because it was on top of a hill and the other was the paki shop for obvious reasons. The thing is it was called this by everyone, even the Pakistanis. To me it is just the same as calling others jocks, taffs etc because it was never called paki shop as an insult. It was how it was known, by everyone! So it's offensive...and about race... but not racist? I do see your point. You could call my (indian) girlfriend a paki and she wouldn't be offended and yet other friends of mine would. In my opinion, it just means some people can deal with racism better than others, or because of their life experience don't find it offensive at all. It doesn't mean that to the wider population, it is offensive and something that can be devastating to individuals.
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Post by heavysoul on Jan 4, 2014 21:19:30 GMT
Racism on any level is WRONG end of.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 4, 2014 21:19:50 GMT
Oh ffs. I said I wasn't getting involved in this shit again. Zzzzz You're sort of getting yourself involved with it when you say you're against racism despite the fact that you've admitted racially abusing someone yourself. I have been over this shit many times. I used the term to describe the bloke in the heat of the moment. It wasn't meant or said with the intention of being racist. I also called kitson a lazy ginger twat. It may not be the same but it is the context in which it was meant.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 4, 2014 21:21:33 GMT
It doesn't matter how many times the Paki/Aussie point is explained on here (about every week), the people questioning don't actually want to understand why one is acceptable and one isn't....or in some cases are just too fucking thick to understand it. I've wasted God knows how much time trying to explain this before using crayons and nice easy-to-understand pictures, but no, it doesn't seem to sink in. The conclusion I've come to is that the only contribution I can make to these threads is to save other people the time and effort trying. Basically, if you can't understand the difference yourself then you're a tit. Ah but have you tried Spirograph and Fuzzy Felt. That might do the trick.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jan 4, 2014 21:22:56 GMT
Can i just say the lad that made the original post is a good lad and would not post any old shit,so if he says he heard it then trust me it happened.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 4, 2014 21:29:23 GMT
Stafford, do you think "You're just a town full of p***'s" is racist? If you had an asian friend with you who found it offensive, would you ask the people singing it to stop? I agree it may be offensive but not sure it's racist. The thing is I was bought up with all races. We had 2 shops near where I lived. 1 was the top shop because it was on top of a hill and the other was the paki shop for obvious reasons. The thing is it was called this by everyone, even the Pakistanis. To me it is just the same as calling others jocks, taffs etc because it was never called paki shop as an insult. It was how it was known, by everyone! Times change, language changes. What was OK to say before, ain't OK to say now. We all have to move on. Best example of this is Ron Atkinson; the man who arguably did more for black footballers than anyone else, fell foul of using inappropriate language. I used to talk about the Paki shop, of going to the Chinkies for a take away. But not today. And I reckon this is a good thing - respect for all creeds and colours also means keeping up with the times.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 4, 2014 21:33:16 GMT
I agree it may be offensive but not sure it's racist. The thing is I was bought up with all races. We had 2 shops near where I lived. 1 was the top shop because it was on top of a hill and the other was the paki shop for obvious reasons. The thing is it was called this by everyone, even the Pakistanis. To me it is just the same as calling others jocks, taffs etc because it was never called paki shop as an insult. It was how it was known, by everyone! Times change, language changes. What was OK to say before, ain't OK to say now. We all have to move on. Best example of this is Ron Atkinson; the man who arguably did more for black footballers than anyone else, fell foul of using inappropriate language. I used to talk about the Paki shop, of going to the Chinkies for a take away. But not today. And I reckon this is a good thing - respect for all creeds and colours also means keeping up with the times. Yeah I kind of agree. I suppose this is why I don't see it as offensive as others do? I still don't see it as racist though, well not in the context I used the word anyway. It was never said as an insult.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 4, 2014 21:34:27 GMT
Im sure we all call people packies,niggers,chinkies,polish cunts,Manc bastards etc behind closed doors or with close mates, if you dont agree then your a lieing cunt. At the end of the day, not many people heard it, no one was offended, it was done in humour. END OF THREAD. This is the shiteiest post I've read on this message board. You speak for yourself. And I'm not a lieing cunt. You though, are a cunt, pure and simple. Actually, very, very simple.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 4, 2014 21:35:22 GMT
Gotta say though it still is and always will be an Indian or a chinky for a takeaway.
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Post by LDE76 on Jan 4, 2014 21:36:28 GMT
Im sure we all call people packies,niggers,chinkies,polish cunts,Manc bastards etc behind closed doors or with close mates, if you dont agree then your a lieing cunt. At the end of the day, not many people heard it, no one was offended, it was done in humour. END OF THREAD. This is the shiteiest posts I've read on this message board. You speak for yourself. And I'm not a lieing cunt. You though, are a cunt, pure and simple. Actually, very, very simple. John Lithgow agrees.
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Post by skip on Jan 4, 2014 21:37:54 GMT
You don't have to intend to be insulting for people to be insulted. Why describe a shop as denoted by the colour of the people who own it? You don't nip up the whities for a loaf and a pint of milk. Referring to it is the p*ki shop is a throwback to the novelty of seeing non-white faces. But bearing in mind this is 2014 it wouldn't be too much to ask for people not to be described by their colour or family place of origin. I heard someone refer to the p*ki shop roughly ten days ago. Rather than going off the deep end I politely asked whether they knew where the family had its origins. Pakistan or elsewhere. Or whether they were Sikh, Hindi, Urdu, athiest, Christian or whatever. It goes without saying they hadn't a clue but still didn't understand the problem or the bigger picture. I likened it to someone guessing whereabouts in Europe you're from because you're white. i.e. utter nonsense and if not racist, then ignorant.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jan 4, 2014 21:38:46 GMT
Im sure we all call people packies,niggers,chinkies,polish cunts,Manc bastards etc behind closed doors or with close mates, if you dont agree then your a lieing cunt. At the end of the day, not many people heard it, no one was offended, it was done in humour. END OF THREAD. This is the shiteiest posts I've read on this message board. You speak for yourself. And I'm not a lieing cunt. You though, are a cunt, pure and simple. Actually, very, very simple. I wouldn't even bother mate. You will never be able to reason with some people....they are fucking worlds apart. Frightening really, when you think about it though.
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Post by NottsMatt on Jan 4, 2014 21:39:37 GMT
Im sure we all call people packies,niggers,chinkies,polish cunts,Manc bastards etc behind closed doors or with close mates, if you dont agree then your a lieing cunt. At the end of the day, not many people heard it, no one was offended, it was done in humour. END OF THREAD. This is the shiteiest posts I've read on this message board. You speak for yourself. And I'm not a lieing cunt. You though, are a cunt, pure and simple. Actually, very, very simple. Go get in your baby grow and suck on your mothers tits you idiot, if you have never used the word 'packie' in any way then your probaly about 10 years old. So many key board idiots on this page. We have just won a match but all you read is a thread about some one shouting the SHOCKING word packie and a gang of lads with scalfs on worrying people.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 4, 2014 21:40:04 GMT
You don't have to intend to be insulting for people to be insulted. Why describe a shop as denoted by the colour of the people who own it? You don't nip up the whities for a loaf and a pint of milk. Referring to it is the p*ki shop is a throwback to the novelty of seeing non-white faces. But bearing in mind this is 2014 it wouldn't be too much to ask for people not to be described by their colour or family place of origin. I heard someone refer to the p*ki shop roughly ten days ago. Rather than going off the deep end I politely asked whether they knew where the family had its origins. Pakistan or elsewhere. Or whether they were Sikh, Hindi, Urdu, athiest, Christian or whatever. It goes without saying they hadn't a clue but still didn't understand the problem or the bigger picture. I likened it to someone guessing whereabouts in Europe you're from because you're white. i.e. utter nonsense and if not racist, then ignorant. Like I said mate that is how we used to describe the shop. That was back in the 70's/80's.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 21:40:10 GMT
This is in Kingston, near where i live, i think this is Racist. TEST
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 21:40:23 GMT
It doesn't matter how many times the Paki/Aussie point is explained on here (about every week), the people questioning don't actually want to understand why one is acceptable and one isn't....or in some cases are just too fucking thick to understand it. I've wasted God knows how much time trying to explain this before using crayons and nice easy-to-understand pictures, but no, it doesn't seem to sink in. The conclusion I've come to is that the only contribution I can make to these threads is to save other people the time and effort trying. Basically, if you can't understand the difference yourself then you're a tit. Ah but have you tried Spirograph and Fuzzy Felt. That might do the trick. He tried fuzzy felt but it wouldn't stick to his monitor.
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 4, 2014 21:40:53 GMT
Black people call each other nigger and thats ok but if a white man called a black man a nigger he would be shot... with the above in mind, if the man stating the chant was(is) a paki, then the chant wasnt racist? Stop fuking bitching at each other and get rid of this thread, its utter ballox! Oh and the 'stokies' caling the block 19 lads, shame on you calling your own crowd you boring fuk wits, go back to eating your prawn sarnies! Haha made me smile this... isn't calling a group of people 'prawn sarnie brigade' a bit discriminating? ??? Joke... sense of humour alert!! get one if you found this offensive
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Post by kjpt140v on Jan 4, 2014 21:42:24 GMT
My problem is that what some call racist, I don't. If I were to go to Africa, and everyone there referred to me as "Whitey", why should I mind? I know that it is the intention behind the words that really matters, but I do, sort of, think that things have gone a bit too far at times. Not to condone REAL racism. I think you have just condoned racism.
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 4, 2014 21:42:45 GMT
I have the same opinion mate but you get called a racist on here for having such thoughts. I am guessing that the chant could have been "your just a town full of p####" If this was the chant is it really that bad? Not saying it's right by the way before someone jumps down my throat. Yes,that was the chant Stafford. Seen as Indians out number Pakistanis by 10-1 in Leicester as well as being racist it is also completely incorrect statement.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 4, 2014 21:45:01 GMT
You don't have to intend to be insulting for people to be insulted. Why describe a shop as denoted by the colour of the people who own it? You don't nip up the whities for a loaf and a pint of milk. Referring to it is the p*ki shop is a throwback to the novelty of seeing non-white faces. But bearing in mind this is 2014 it wouldn't be too much to ask for people not to be described by their colour or family place of origin. I heard someone refer to the p*ki shop roughly ten days ago. Rather than going off the deep end I politely asked whether they knew where the family had its origins. Pakistan or elsewhere. Or whether they were Sikh, Hindi, Urdu, athiest, Christian or whatever. It goes without saying they hadn't a clue but still didn't understand the problem or the bigger picture. I likened it to someone guessing whereabouts in Europe you're from because you're white. i.e. utter nonsense and if not racist, then ignorant. Like I said mate that is how we used to describe the shop. That was back in the 70's/80's. But we are now in 2014 - times, and language, change. It pains me that folk, like the aforementioned Big Ron, get tarred with the racist brush on account of a word that comes out of his big gob. It's a lesson to us all.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 4, 2014 21:45:24 GMT
Obviously the main problem is that people see different things as racist. These threads/conversations are always going to exists because of peoples differing opinions. No pun intended but the subject will never be black and white.
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Post by redwhite on Jan 4, 2014 21:46:57 GMT
This is the shiteiest posts I've read on this message board. You speak for yourself. And I'm not a lieing cunt. You though, are a cunt, pure and simple. Actually, very, very simple. Go get in your baby grow and suck on your mothers tits you idiot, if you have never used the word 'packie' in any way then your probaly about 10 years old. So many key board idiots on this page. We have just won a match but all you read is a thread about some one shouting the SHOCKING word packie and a gang of lads with scalfs on worrying people. You're in no position to be calling people '10 years old'.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 4, 2014 21:47:33 GMT
Im sure we all call people packies,niggers,chinkies,polish cunts,Manc bastards etc behind closed doors or with close mates, if you dont agree then your a lieing cunt. At the end of the day, not many people heard it, no one was offended, it was done in humour. END OF THREAD. It wasn't said behind closed doors though was it?
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Post by NottsMatt on Jan 4, 2014 21:47:53 GMT
Obviously the main problem is that people see different things as racist. These threads/conversations are always going to exists because of peoples differing opinions. No pun intended but the subject will never be black and white. Agreed. Ive just fetched a chinky for tea, called into the paki shop on the way past for a bottle of pop. Gonna watch Robin Hood now, he was one racist fuker! Good night
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 21:48:42 GMT
You don't have to intend to be insulting for people to be insulted. Why describe a shop as denoted by the colour of the people who own it? You don't nip up the whities for a loaf and a pint of milk. Referring to it is the p*ki shop is a throwback to the novelty of seeing non-white faces. But bearing in mind this is 2014 it wouldn't be too much to ask for people not to be described by their colour or family place of origin. I heard someone refer to the p*ki shop roughly ten days ago. Rather than going off the deep end I politely asked whether they knew where the family had its origins. Pakistan or elsewhere. Or whether they were Sikh, Hindi, Urdu, athiest, Christian or whatever. It goes without saying they hadn't a clue but still didn't understand the problem or the bigger picture. I likened it to someone guessing whereabouts in Europe you're from because you're white. i.e. utter nonsense and if not racist, then ignorant. Are we talking racism or religious issues here, what if the chant had been town full of muslims ?, either way is technically incorrect as Leicester is a City, any way just off to the Cantonese shop for a Chinky.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 4, 2014 21:48:57 GMT
This is the shiteiest posts I've read on this message board. You speak for yourself. And I'm not a lieing cunt. You though, are a cunt, pure and simple. Actually, very, very simple. Go get in your baby grow and suck on your mothers tits you idiot, if you have never used the word 'packie' in any way then your probaly about 10 years old. So many key board idiots on this page. We have just won a match but all you read is a thread about some one shouting the SHOCKING word packie and a gang of lads with scalfs on worrying people. You have to be the most stupid person on this message board - you can't even spell Paki!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 21:50:50 GMT
This thread is not all black & white.
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