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Post by kevkj on Dec 19, 2013 8:31:03 GMT
Standing in Glebe Street 10 minutes into the game still waiting for a bus i was fuming. 80 minutes later i wished i was still in Glebe Street waiting,what a passionless effort from Stoke on and off the pitch. The support is awful we sing more songs in the Glebe after a match ,all the old classics.We so badly need a singing area to start things off. On the pitch clueless,predicatable and pedestrian against one of the worst United teams i have ever seen. Throw in our excuse voiceiferously of a support nowadays and the evening was as flat as a witches tit. I really am starting to question whether i enjoy watching us play these top teams,yes i know we beat Chelsea but did we have a shot last night. The game is getting me down i would love the top six to be put in some sort of Euro super league and just leave the rest of us to it. Either that or championship football.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 9:06:06 GMT
With Begovic in goal and a really good striker we could've won easily last night. I think you're being a bit dramatic.
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Post by agingerstokie on Dec 19, 2013 9:07:18 GMT
You sound absolutely pathetic to be fucking honest
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Post by sufolkstokie on Dec 19, 2013 9:09:42 GMT
Your lucky, we drove 3 hours for that
Re your top 6 comments. I can't remember the last time we played well against a team around us or even below us
In fact we are usually even duller
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 9:16:08 GMT
I must admit I swapped channels after an hour....
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Post by penkvillepotter on Dec 19, 2013 9:17:08 GMT
Standing in Glebe Street 10 minutes into the game still waiting for a bus i was fuming. 80 minutes later i wished i was still in Glebe Street waiting,what a passionless effort from Stoke on and off the pitch. The support is awful we sing more songs in the Glebe after a match ,all the old classics.We so badly need a singing area to start things off. On the pitch clueless,predicatable and pedestrian against one of the worst United teams i have ever seen. Throw in our excuse voiceiferously of a support nowadays and the evening was as flat as a witches tit. I really am starting to question whether i enjoy watching us play these top teams,yes i know we beat Chelsea but did we have a shot last night. The game is getting me down i would love the top six to be put in some sort of Euro super league and just leave the rest of us to it. Either that or championship football. I'd be interested to know the ages of your two respondants. I too am getting a bit bored of our continual passive performances against the big boys. Sadly I'm old enough to remember when we played these teams on level terms. All I ask for is a run for my money. The Chelsea win was an oasis in a desert of shite I'm afraid.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 19, 2013 9:17:33 GMT
Post pretty much sums up how I felt , we did have some good spells of possession but never played with enough passion to really trouble them and our crowd reflected that , the quietest I can remember against United in over 40 years of watching us felt a corner had been turned with second half effort v Chelsea not so sure now , need a lot better against an energetic Villa side on Sat
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 9:21:53 GMT
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Post by dozintheseventees on Dec 19, 2013 9:23:08 GMT
With Begovic in goal and a really good striker we could've won easily last night. I think you're being a bit dramatic. We didn't have either. He's commenting on what WE DID HAVE on the pitch and (IMO) he's right.
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Post by alecdrew on Dec 19, 2013 9:26:39 GMT
Standing in Glebe Street 10 minutes into the game still waiting for a bus i was fuming. 80 minutes later i wished i was still in Glebe Street waiting,what a passionless effort from Stoke on and off the pitch. The support is awful we sing more songs in the Glebe after a match ,all the old classics.We so badly need a singing area to start things off. On the pitch clueless,predicatable and pedestrian against one of the worst United teams i have ever seen. Throw in our excuse voiceiferously of a support nowadays and the evening was as flat as a witches tit. I really am starting to question whether i enjoy watching us play these top teams,yes i know we beat Chelsea but did we have a shot last night. The game is getting me down i would love the top six to be put in some sort of Euro super league and just leave the rest of us to it. Either that or championship football. You must be kidding? Although we are desperate for some finishing in the final third this is the best I've seen Stoke play. So what we lost against Man U in the cup on a windy wet Wednesday night. We almost took three points of them at Old Trafford I think the team is starting to progress show that togetherness we need and get the ball moving well. Things are great, and O.K the atmosphere isn't what it was 5years ago but bitching and moaning won't fix it. I don't think you will find one person who likes watching us loose but we took it to Arsenal we took it to Liverpool we took it to Man U away we beat Chelsea. That is more than we did under Pulis. The idea that we don't play against the top teams is crap. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and mine is that we are better now than we have been since my first game (2003 loss against Rotherham at home in the Championship) I know which team I would prefer to watch. Rant over
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Dec 19, 2013 9:27:33 GMT
I would be just as happy watching us in the championship to be honest. At least there is something to play for every season. I don't care a fuck about the 'big' clubs that come to Stoke as it is Stoke I go to see. The only down side, and it is a massive one, is the money the club would lose if we went down. Aside from the cash they can fuck the prem and all it's plastic clubs and fans off for me.
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Post by Maccca100 on Dec 19, 2013 9:28:09 GMT
With Begovic in goal and a really good striker we could've won easily last night. I think you're being a bit dramatic. If Suarez signed for us If I had a ten inch cock If my mother had balls etc etc We didn't have either and we were played off the pitch by the worst United side I have seen in over 20 years
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 9:37:42 GMT
With Begovic in goal and a really good striker we could've won easily last night. I think you're being a bit dramatic. We didn't have either. He's commenting on what WE DID HAVE on the pitch and (IMO) he's right. He's commenting on what the other teams have that we don't, and whilst he's right, to suggest that it would be better that the other teams weren't a hurdle when he could be thinking about how we are going to narrow those gaps is weak and pessimistic.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Dec 19, 2013 9:38:58 GMT
We didn't have either. He's commenting on what WE DID HAVE on the pitch and (IMO) he's right. He's commenting on what the other teams have that we don't, and whilst he's right, to suggest that it would be better that the other teams weren't a hurdle when he could be thinking about how we are going to narrow those gaps is weak and pessimistic. There was me thinking that he was just commenting on what he saw last night.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 19, 2013 9:42:27 GMT
I would be just as happy watching us in the championship to be honest. At least there is something to play for every season. I don't care a fuck about the 'big' clubs that come to Stoke as it is Stoke I go to see. The only down side, and it is a massive one, is the money the club would lose if we went down. Aside from the cash they can fuck the prem and all it's plastic clubs and fans off for me. I do understand the first point and have said this myself many times. But what you play for in the championship is what we do have now. Its just a never ending cycle.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Dec 19, 2013 9:44:40 GMT
I would be just as happy watching us in the championship to be honest. At least there is something to play for every season. I don't care a fuck about the 'big' clubs that come to Stoke as it is Stoke I go to see. The only down side, and it is a massive one, is the money the club would lose if we went down. Aside from the cash they can fuck the prem and all it's plastic clubs and fans off for me. I do understand the first point and have said this myself many times. But what you play for in the championship is what we do have now. Its just a never ending cycle. Fair point. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/4tzqvp1fxEemag_TAXLJ.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 9:46:34 GMT
He's commenting on what the other teams have that we don't, and whilst he's right, to suggest that it would be better that the other teams weren't a hurdle when he could be thinking about how we are going to narrow those gaps is weak and pessimistic. There was me thinking that he was just commenting on what he saw last night. Regardless of whether or not I'm understanding that aspect of the OP properly, you can't honestly think it's a logical conclusion that it would be better if the top clubs weren't part of the league when we clearly have a vast amount of room for realistic improvement.
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Post by stoke7leeds2 on Dec 19, 2013 9:52:54 GMT
I would be just as happy watching us in the championship to be honest. At least there is something to play for every season. I don't care a fuck about the 'big' clubs that come to Stoke as it is Stoke I go to see. The only down side, and it is a massive one, is the money the club would lose if we went down. Aside from the cash they can fuck the prem and all it's plastic clubs and fans off for me. A great post Stafford and its how I have felt for a couple of years...the prem stinks and really wants the point of it for teams like stoke...a Man U reserve team comfortably beats us...I would much prefer a relegation battle than a mid table bore..to many stoke fans have fell into this greed stop on the prem whatever it takes nonsense
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Post by dozintheseventees on Dec 19, 2013 9:54:09 GMT
There was me thinking that he was just commenting on what he saw last night. Regardless of whether or not I'm understanding that aspect of the OP properly, you can't honestly think it's a logical conclusion that it would be better if the top clubs weren't part of the league when we clearly have a vast amount of room for realistic improvement. No you've got a point, to be fair mate, I'm just being a bit simplistic....it was a shocking performance last night against a very poor (by their standards) Manchester United team so I understand (and share) the frustrations that the OP relates. Of course we can get much better but, sadly, so can they and we are a million miles away from the likes of them, Chelsea, Arsenal, Manchester City etc and, let's be honest here, we probably always will be save but for the very rare success against them. They, in effect, compete in a different league to us already.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Dec 19, 2013 10:13:11 GMT
We need to be careful what we are wishing for here - I for one do not want to go back to the championship any time soon thanks very much......
Last night was crap and almost (for me) a Valencia-away kind of disappointment in terms of the team selection and not having a real good go to progress (it remains the best away day ever though!)
Everything about last night felt wrong and I was actually hoping it was going to be abandoned.....onwards / upwards to Saturday we troop.......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 10:13:17 GMT
I still think there is success to be had for clubs like ours. Granted, the hills have grown into mountains over the last 3 or 4 decades, but mountains are conquerable. Wigan won the FA Cup. Birmingham and Swansea won The League Cup. Fulham and Middlesborough made it to Europa League Finals. Everton finished Top 4. We made it to an FA Cup final! On a lower level there are clear opportunities for success and inspiration for a club like ours. On a grander-scale the same applies, despite the fact that it hasn't happened for a long time. Improbable is not impossible! At least I hope it isn't impossible. If it is then we have nothing left to make it worthwhile.
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 19, 2013 10:37:34 GMT
I would be just as happy watching us in the championship to be honest. At least there is something to play for every season. I don't care a fuck about the 'big' clubs that come to Stoke as it is Stoke I go to see. The only down side, and it is a massive one, is the money the club would lose if we went down. Aside from the cash they can fuck the prem and all it's plastic clubs and fans off for me. Cant argue with any of that to be fair Stafford The Premiership has made us fat and lazy
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Post by kevkj on Dec 19, 2013 10:40:23 GMT
You sound absolutely pathetic to be fucking honest Is that right,well its my opinion matey.Ill be their on Saturday just i have been since 1971 when i first started watching Stoke playiing on a level playing field. If you think this is good currently your living in a dreamworld and frankly you missed out on a proper top tier team in the 70s. In fact the McCari years were more exciting than what im watching now. As for the fans we have rarely won against the shit over the decades but we have never been as flat and dosile as last night. Stick your fucking Prem for me.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Dec 19, 2013 10:43:30 GMT
I still think there is success to be had for clubs like ours. Granted, the hills have grown into mountains over the last 3 or 4 decades, but mountains are conquerable. Wigan won the FA Cup. Birmingham and Swansea won The League Cup. Fulham and Middlesborough made it to Europa League Finals. Everton finished Top 4. We made it to an FA Cup final! On a lower level there are clear opportunities for success and inspiration for a club like ours. On a grander-scale the same applies, despite the fact that it hasn't happened for a long time. Improbable is not impossible! At least I hope it isn't impossible. If it is then we have nothing left to make it worthwhile. I think that's fair comment mate but, if I'm reading it correctly, I think the op is talking about competing with these clubs week-in, week-out so I'm thinking more about the Premier League itself. The top 6 changes very little and the only clubs who are even remotely likely to 'break in' to that are much bigger clubs than us. There is little likelihood of the likes of us EVER being able to compete in the Premier League with the 'top dogs' and so I understand why the OP says what he does. That's not to say that we can't 'hold our own' or improve within the Premier League, of course we can and I hope that we are in the PL for many years to come. However, I have to accept that we already (effectively) operate in a different league to the top clubs and are fighting against the second and third tier clubs in the Premier League. We are actually aspiring to finish half way down the league we are in and that WOULD indeed be SUCCESS. That, as a concept is pretty depressing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 10:46:41 GMT
Standing in Glebe Street 10 minutes into the game still waiting for a bus i was fuming. 80 minutes later i wished i was still in Glebe Street waiting,what a passionless effort from Stoke on and off the pitch. The support is awful we sing more songs in the Glebe after a match ,all the old classics.We so badly need a singing area to start things off. On the pitch clueless,predicatable and pedestrian against one of the worst United teams i have ever seen. Throw in our excuse voiceiferously of a support nowadays and the evening was as flat as a witches tit. I really am starting to question whether i enjoy watching us play these top teams,yes i know we beat Chelsea but did we have a shot last night. The game is getting me down i would love the top six to be put in some sort of Euro super league and just leave the rest of us to it. Either that or championship football. I'd be interested to know the ages of your two respondants. I too am getting a bit bored of our continual passive performances against the big boys. Sadly I'm old enough to remember when we played these teams on level terms. All I ask for is a run for my money. The Chelsea win was an oasis in a desert of shite I'm afraid. Against the big teams at home we're generally pretty good aren't we? In fact the only one of the big boys we haven't beaten since promotion was the team who beat us last night. That said, last night was a complete ordeal. Missed the first 15 minutes because of the traffic, stood there getting pissed on for a bit then fucked off to the harvester after the second. It was the best decision I made all night.
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Post by agingerstokie on Dec 19, 2013 10:54:10 GMT
I think as a whole the board has made a huge management mistake in regards to the club this season. They sack Pulis which is fair enough given results and fan reaction, they then decide a man who the country regards as a joke at the present time is the right guy for the job (I do support him) and then from the outside it looks as if they let Cartwright and the like faff around for 3 months bringing in some real bottom of the barrel signings and let things tick along till we hit the next disaster.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 10:55:46 GMT
I think as a whole the board has made a huge management mistake in regards to the club this season. They sack Pulis which is fair enough given results and fan reaction, they then decide a man who the country regards as a joke at the present time is the right guy for the job (I do support him) and then from the outside it looks as if they let Cartwright and the like faff around for 3 months bringing in some real bottom of the barrel signings and let things tick along till we hit the next disaster. Bit knee jerk mate? There's been some good mixed in with the shit and whoever came in was going to have a job on their hands?
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Post by stokeramblers on Dec 19, 2013 10:57:40 GMT
I think as a whole the board has made a huge management mistake in regards to the club this season. They sack Pulis which is fair enough given results and fan reaction, they then decide a man who the country regards as a joke at the present time is the right guy for the job (I do support him) and then from the outside it looks as if they let Cartwright and the like faff around for 3 months bringing in some real bottom of the barrel signings and let things tick along till we hit the next disaster. Bit knee jerk mate? There's been some good mixed in with the shit and whoever came in was going to have a job on their hands? The other thing is who else could we have brought in? Poyet certainly isn't pulling up any trees at Sunderland. Benitez was always laughable Likewise Martinez After that I'm struggling to think who else we thought was in the running..
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Post by agingerstokie on Dec 19, 2013 10:59:48 GMT
Then again, wouldn't that be a management mistake in itself, like I said I understand why they got rid of Pulis but to get rid of him when there is a dearth of suitable candidates available is the kind of error that posters on here have highlighted in regards to the Spurs and West Brom sackings.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 11:12:43 GMT
I still think there is success to be had for clubs like ours. Granted, the hills have grown into mountains over the last 3 or 4 decades, but mountains are conquerable. Wigan won the FA Cup. Birmingham and Swansea won The League Cup. Fulham and Middlesborough made it to Europa League Finals. Everton finished Top 4. We made it to an FA Cup final! On a lower level there are clear opportunities for success and inspiration for a club like ours. On a grander-scale the same applies, despite the fact that it hasn't happened for a long time. Improbable is not impossible! At least I hope it isn't impossible. If it is then we have nothing left to make it worthwhile. I think that's fair comment mate but, if I'm reading it correctly, I think the op is talking about competing with these clubs week-in, week-out so I'm thinking more about the Premier League itself. The top 6 changes very little and the only clubs who are even remotely likely to 'break in' to that are much bigger clubs than us. There is little likelihood of the likes of us EVER being able to compete in the Premier League with the 'top dogs' and so I understand why the OP says what he does. That's not to say that we can't 'hold our own' or improve within the Premier League, of course we can and I hope that we are in the PL for many years to come. However, I have to accept that we already (effectively) operate in a different league to the top clubs and are fighting against the second and third tier clubs in the Premier League. We are actually aspiring to finish half way down the league we are in and that that WOULD indeed be SUCCESS. That, as a concept is pretty depressing. Ye I guess you are right. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/4tzqvp1fxEemag_TAXLJ.gif)
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