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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Nov 30, 2013 18:53:29 GMT
...first time that I have ever done a thread with such a title. First time in 30+ years I have left an away game with more than 10 mins remaining. Call me a shit out for leaving early if you like, but simple fact is that we could still be playing now & would not have scored.
So started taking the flag down at 0-3 & by the time the 2nd knot was done it was 0-4. Game over. Even the Everton fan who I took to the game was sympathetic on the journey back to Worcester.
How do I feel? Numb & disillusioned.
Man Of The Match? No bugger deserved it. Maybe the souls who made the journey up there to watch the torture
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Post by Matthews dad on Nov 30, 2013 19:00:53 GMT
The revolution continues apace.
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Post by andylgr on Nov 30, 2013 19:01:50 GMT
Were you the guy with the Wales flag?
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Nov 30, 2013 19:04:53 GMT
Were you the guy with the Wales flag? Yup, top corner by the corrugated 21st Century stand  |
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Post by andylgr on Nov 30, 2013 19:07:16 GMT
Yeah I was right behind you in that corner.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Nov 30, 2013 19:09:42 GMT
Yeah I was right behind you in that corner. Makes a change not to block someone's view then!  Even the flag couldn't hide the fact of how bad we were |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Nov 30, 2013 19:11:15 GMT
At services south of Brum
Thought Begovic did well
The rest however were shocking, back to front and inside out. He could of taken all 10 off
One can take Everton being the better team, but to see your own team play (ha ha) with no passion, no pressing, no pride, no pace and no plan
Every bloody game we walk the ball in midfield - it is painful to watch
Shocking day from a football perspective
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Post by stokeramblers on Nov 30, 2013 19:11:29 GMT
The revolution continues apace.  |
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Post by RF10 on Nov 30, 2013 19:12:19 GMT
This reminds me of the 5 - 0 drumming we had at Bolton. We bounced back from that. But I'm not convinced so much this time.
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Post by andylgr on Nov 30, 2013 19:16:38 GMT
Yeah I was right behind you in that corner. Makes a change not to block someone's view then! Even the flag couldn't hide the fact of how bad we were I should of asked you to take your hat off. |
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Nov 30, 2013 19:17:51 GMT
Makes a change not to block someone's view then! Even the flag couldn't hide the fact of how bad we were I should of asked you to take your hat off. 6ft 6 with 12ft Welsh flag...do need the hat to stand out in the crowd!  |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 30, 2013 21:55:33 GMT
The revolution continues apace. Evening Ramblers |
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 30, 2013 22:02:49 GMT
This reminds me of the 5 - 0 drumming we had at Bolton. We bounced back from that. But I'm not convinced so much this time. Was that before or after getting thrashed at Sunderland? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 22:05:49 GMT
Both the Sunderland and Bolton defeats were after long trips in Europe, remember those heady days?
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Post by ianstokie on Nov 30, 2013 22:37:28 GMT
I admire you all for going. I wish I had the time, money and energy.
Bear with it, it'll get better. In a season or two we will have a purple patch and we will think we are the best in the world, then we'll be back to mid table mediocrity the very next season.
All you can do is wear the red and white and have a laugh when you can.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Nov 30, 2013 22:49:35 GMT
I don't believe the opening post. Obviously not been many away games in that 30 years bud.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2013 0:32:41 GMT
The problem is, I can,t laugh when we get beaten. It ruins my weekend. Doesn't,t matter whether it,s one or four, can,t help it!
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 1, 2013 1:05:30 GMT
The problem is, I can,t laugh when we get beaten. It ruins my weekend. Doesn't,t matter whether it,s one or four, can,t help it! Bugger the weekend it ruins my week mate. We've played alot worse away from home over the last few years. We did look like we we're trying to win rather than protect a low scoring defeat. For me that's progress. |
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Post by ebbenflo on Dec 1, 2013 1:14:59 GMT
The problem is, I can,t laugh when we get beaten. It ruins my weekend. Doesn't,t matter whether it,s one or four, can,t help it! Bugger the weekend it ruins my week mate. We've played alot worse away from home over the last few years. We did look like we we're trying to win rather than protect a low scoring defeat. For me that's progress. When in the last 20 years of following Stoke away from home did you ever think we would come back from a 2-0 score line. It very rarely happens. I'm sorry but I can't call that progress. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 1, 2013 1:38:06 GMT
I'm always optimistic.
After sending a "No Fuller no hope" text at 2-0 down at St James' in December 2008 I watched us get a draw.
We got a 2-2 away at Villa later that season from 2-0 down.
At no time in either of these games did I think we were trying to win. We seemed to be playing for 0-0 or a low scoring defeat.
This season we have looked like we have been tryng to win. We haven't looked good enough to win but we have at least looked like we have had the intention of winning.
I never expect Stoke to win; especilally in the top division. We are a small club at this level. Every year we survive is a success as far as I am concerned.
Success for me is trying; believing we are good enough and that we deserve to be on the same pitch asour top flight opponents.
I don't want to watch my team play "bonus matches" against Everton, Norwich or even Barcelona.
I thought we rtied to win today. We tried a ball playing CB who got forward. It didn't work, but we did try.
Over the past few years we have been awful away from home; no popints and no ambition.
This year the points total might not be much different but we don't seem to be defending narrow defeats anymore.
That for me IS progress.
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Post by prem4stoke on Dec 1, 2013 1:47:18 GMT
I'm always optimistic. After sending a "No Fuller no hope" text at 2-0 down at St James' in December 2008 I watched us get a draw. We got a 2-2 away at Villa later that season from 2-0 down. At no time in either of these games did I think we were trying to win. We seemed to be playing for 0-0 or a low scoring defeat. This season we have looked like we have been tryng to win. We haven't looked good enough to win but we have at least looked like we have had the intention of winning. I never expect Stoke to win; especilally in the top division. We are a small club at this level. Every year we survive is a success as far as I am concerned. Success for me is trying; believing we are good enough and that we deserve to be on the same pitch asour top flight opponents. I don't want to watch my team play "bonus matches" against Everton, Norwich or even Barcelona. I thought we rtied to win today. We tried a ball playing CB who got forward. It didn't work, but we did try. Over the past few years we have been awful away from home; no popints and no ambition. This year the points total might not be much different but we don't seem to be defending narrow defeats anymore. That for me IS progress. You're easily pleased. It's a good job we didn't get hammered 4-0 today. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 1, 2013 1:47:45 GMT
I don't believe the opening post. Obviously not been many away games in that 30 years bud. I'm no anti-Hughes poster, which should be evident from my posting history, but however you dress it up, garbage is garbage. Losing 4 and 5 nil at Sunderland and Bolton was garbage. Playing garbage while attempting a possession game is equally as garbage as playing garbage playing long ball. Losing 4-0 today was garbage and probably worse than those. They at least had the excuse of following on from tricky European games. Today we saw a side that simply couldn't be arsed, and that is probably what makes it worst of all. Crouch being too big a sissy to stick his foot in to score a tap-in. Shea doing the same. Charlie Adam's non-challenge on their full-back who scored. Several Stoke players in the box for that goal, with none being arsed enough to charge down the shot. The midfield being utterly languid again. Lazy, sloppy passing without a care in the world, repeatedly gifting the ball to Everton in our own half. There was one positive and one positive only - we have a world class goalkeeper. |
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Post by ebbenflo on Dec 1, 2013 1:56:57 GMT
I'm always optimistic. After sending a "No Fuller no hope" text at 2-0 down at St James' in December 2008 I watched us get a draw. We got a 2-2 away at Villa later that season from 2-0 down. At no time in either of these games did I think we were trying to win. We seemed to be playing for 0-0 or a low scoring defeat. This season we have looked like we have been tryng to win. We haven't looked good enough to win but we have at least looked like we have had the intention of winning. I never expect Stoke to win; especilally in the top division. We are a small club at this level. Every year we survive is a success as far as I am concerned. Success for me is trying; believing we are good enough and that we deserve to be on the same pitch asour top flight opponents. I don't want to watch my team play "bonus matches" against Everton, Norwich or even Barcelona. I thought we rtied to win today. We tried a ball playing CB who got forward. It didn't work, but we did try. Over the past few years we have been awful away from home; no popints and no ambition. This year the points total might not be much different but we don't seem to be defending narrow defeats anymore. That for me IS progress. Can I ask you an honest question, you sound like myself to be a very passionate Stoke City football supporter. Is staying in this Division more important than the football we play? I firmly believe that goal diverence can be extremely important and sometimes chasing lost causes is a bad thing. Just on this weekend our goal difference against West Ham (one of our rivals) swung by seven putting them above us when last week they were behind us. At the moment I do not think our squad is good enough to play this new brand of football and also do not think we can put it right in the January transfer window. |
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Post by mar1386 on Dec 1, 2013 2:30:15 GMT
I was there and imho bearing in mind the quality of the respective opposition the performance was nowhere near as bad as v Norwich.
So despite the score I think we are gradually making progress - have people already forgotten the performances against the two Manchester clubs?
First half they just shaded it and maybe deserved their narrow lead, but we put in a decent shift in that opening 45 and could easily have gone in 1-0 up had Walters not fluffed his straightforward (for a striker) chance.
The second half capitulation was more explained by shocking fitness levels (mental as well as physical), and Everton being a club firmly on the up under Martinez, as any lack of effort.
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 1, 2013 3:13:41 GMT
I'm always optimistic. After sending a "No Fuller no hope" text at 2-0 down at St James' in December 2008 I watched us get a draw. We got a 2-2 away at Villa later that season from 2-0 down. At no time in either of these games did I think we were trying to win. We seemed to be playing for 0-0 or a low scoring defeat. This season we have looked like we have been tryng to win. We haven't looked good enough to win but we have at least looked like we have had the intention of winning. I never expect Stoke to win; especilally in the top division. We are a small club at this level. Every year we survive is a success as far as I am concerned. Success for me is trying; believing we are good enough and that we deserve to be on the same pitch asour top flight opponents. I don't want to watch my team play "bonus matches" against Everton, Norwich or even Barcelona. I thought we rtied to win today. We tried a ball playing CB who got forward. It didn't work, but we did try. Over the past few years we have been awful away from home; no popints and no ambition. This year the points total might not be much different but we don't seem to be defending narrow defeats anymore. r That for me IS progress. You're easily pleased. It's a good job we didn't get hammered 4-0 today. But we did get hammered 4-0. We played a team that's been in the top division for 60 years straight. Surely that makes it a bonus game; I expected to lose today. 4-0 was gutting but I wasn't embarrassed by our performance. There have been many games away, and home, where I have been embarrassed by our lack of ambition. Nothing(absolutely nothing; not even the best keeper in the league) pleased me today. We were poor. We were totally outplayed by a much better group of players under the coaching of a manager who is proving he is better than anything we've had since Waddo. Premiership teams do occassionally get beat by 4 goals. Spurs lost 6-0 recently, Arsenal lost 8 something the other year, Man utd lost 6-1? to Man Citeh not to long ago. Losing by a few when you set out to win may be naive, but for me it is progress compared to losing by one when that is your mission. This eason is going to be tough. If we stay up it will be a success. If we get 42 points( the same as last year) playing a totally new style it will be a miracle. As far as I'm concerned at a point per game, we aren't far behind a miracle schedule. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2013 3:52:42 GMT
I don't believe the opening post. Obviously not been many away games in that 30 years bud. I'm no anti-Hughes poster, which should be evident from my posting history, but however you dress it up, garbage is garbage. Losing 4 and 5 nil at Sunderland and Bolton was garbage. Playing garbage while attempting a possession game is equally as garbage as playing garbage playing long ball. Losing 4-0 today was garbage and probably worse than those. They at least had the excuse of following on from tricky European games. Today we saw a side that simply couldn't be arsed, and that is probably what makes it worst of all. Crouch being too big a sissy to stick his foot in to score a tap-in. Shea doing the same. Charlie Adam's non-challenge on their full-back who scored. Several Stoke players in the box for that goal, with none being arsed enough to charge down the shot. The midfield being utterly languid again. Lazy, sloppy passing without a care in the world, repeatedly gifting the ball to Everton in our own half. There was one positive and one positive only - we have a world class goalkeeper. There is no backs to the wall fighting without 4-4-2 (and 9 behind the ball). That went out with the dinosaur (who got the obligitory 1-0 loss away, yesterday). We're like everyone else, now; we try to play our way to victories. With this squad, we'll fail at least as often as we succeed. We were no better (or worse) under Their Tone. We were just different and that difference is what got us to 40 points every year. We're not different anymore, but that's not to say we won't struggle our way to 40 points again (just doing it a different way). Getting the odd tonking now goes with the territory (more so than it did under Their Tone - but not never, even then); like it does down at White Hart Lane and other places where football is played the right way. But yes, the shining light - who I will be flabergasted to see playing for us come February - is definately the best keeper we have had since Foxy and - if he could kick a moving ball off the floor - would probably be the best since Shilts (and quite possibly on that level in a couple more seasons). I was proud of the lad, yesterday. Even though they make him play in green, he did more playing-for-the-shirt in two ten second cameos than the rest did in 90 minutes. Outstanding work and I hope he got the apporpriate cuddle from the management team for his efforts (and if we didn't all stand to clap him off at the end, we want shooting!). |
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Post by malteser68 on Dec 1, 2013 4:21:01 GMT
...first time that I have ever done a thread with such a title. First time in 30+ years I have left an away game with more than 10 mins remaining. Call me a shit out for leaving early if you like, but simple fact is that we could still be playing now & would not have scored. So started taking the flag down at 0-3 & by the time the 2nd knot was done it was 0-4. Game over. Even the Everton fan who I took to the game was sympathetic on the journey back to Worcester. How do I feel? Numb & disillusioned. Man Of The Match? No bugger deserved it. Maybe the souls who made the journey up there to watch the torture . Bego deserved Motm - if it weren't for him it could have easily been 8 or more |
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Dec 1, 2013 5:29:23 GMT
...first time that I have ever done a thread with such a title. First time in 30+ years I have left an away game with more than 10 mins remaining. Call me a shit out for leaving early if you like, but simple fact is that we could still be playing now & would not have scored. So started taking the flag down at 0-3 & by the time the 2nd knot was done it was 0-4. Game over. Even the Everton fan who I took to the game was sympathetic on the journey back to Worcester. How do I feel? Numb & disillusioned. Man Of The Match? No bugger deserved it. Maybe the souls who made the journey up there to watch the torture . Bego deserved Motm - if it weren't for him it could have easily been 8 or more After thinking about it yes I agree.  Bego MOTM. Chris Kamara....been to too many games me thinks, and suffered at plenty! Im not going to say thats it/no more/Hughes out or anything similar. Maybe I went to Goodison rather foolishly expecting more? Its just a pity that the only decent shots I saw Stoke players make was in the pre match warm up. |
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Post by Paddypotter on Dec 1, 2013 9:30:52 GMT
There's nothing new for us to be conceding 4 or more goals since our return to the top flight.
08/09 Man U 5-0
Arse 4-1
09/10 L/pool 4-0
P/mouth 4-0
Chelsea 7-0
Man U 4-0
11/12 S/land 4-0
bolton 5-0
12/13 Chelsea 4-0
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Bego MOTM. Chris Kamara....been to too many games me thinks, and suffered at plenty! Im not going to say thats it/no more/Hughes out or anything similar. Maybe I went to Goodison rather foolishly expecting more? Its just a pity that the only decent shots I saw Stoke players make was in the pre match warm up. 
