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Post by Gods on Nov 23, 2013 17:12:18 GMT
Copious quantities of it according to the BBC reporter man at the game. Says Poyet reckons Wes Brown took the ball and should have stayed on, Bego went over the top and should have gone if Brown did. I don't care, we won for the 1st time since August   |
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Post by werrington on Nov 23, 2013 17:19:16 GMT
David Meylor just in case the Sunderland fans read this
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Post by Jimm on Nov 23, 2013 17:21:30 GMT
Looked like Bego got the ball from where i was
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2013 17:22:50 GMT
Bego did nothing wrong at all, however I agree with the Brown incident.
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Post by sergeishtaniuk on Nov 23, 2013 17:22:54 GMT
A lot of Sunderland fans seem to be saying this. Realistically, neither are reds, but if he sends off Brown, he has to send off Begovic.
Dont think it made a massive amount of difference, Sunderland were crap
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Post by nottspotter on Nov 23, 2013 17:25:09 GMT
Watched the game online.. Bego gets the ball before contact with fletcher.. Had he not put his foot out I'm convinced fletcher would have been through and scored
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Post by wrighter on Nov 23, 2013 17:29:23 GMT
neither of the 2 incidents were reds imho
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Post by Big J on Nov 23, 2013 17:30:41 GMT
A lot of Sunderland fans seem to be saying this. Realistically, neither are reds, but if he sends off Brown, he has to send off Begovic. Dont think it made a massive amount of difference, Sunderland were crap Wait, why? Both were completely different, and separate incidents. Brown used what the referee deemed excessive force and was correctly sent off. There wasn't even a foul in the Begovic incident. Correctly so again. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Nov 23, 2013 17:30:49 GMT
Watched the game online.. Bego gets the ball before contact with fletcher.. Had he not put his foot out I'm convinced fletcher would have been through and scored Agreed but his foot was up and same rule for out players applies to goalies. The red card was soft and I would have been livid if it had been the other way round. Don't care we got the three points and that is what mattered. We do still need a goalscorer as we should have had a bag full. |
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Post by sergeishtaniuk on Nov 23, 2013 17:33:32 GMT
A lot of Sunderland fans seem to be saying this. Realistically, neither are reds, but if he sends off Brown, he has to send off Begovic. Dont think it made a massive amount of difference, Sunderland were crap Wait, why? Both were completely different, and separate incidents. Brown used what the referee deemed excessive force and was correctly sent off. There wasn't even a foul in the Begovic incident. Correctly so again. Bego's foot was raised and made clear contact with Fletcher. He got the ball, but so did Brown. Neither were red cards, but you can see why Sunderland fans think Begovic should go |
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 23, 2013 17:34:52 GMT
Dead man walking.
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Post by Gods on Nov 23, 2013 17:42:40 GMT
Wait, why? Both were completely different, and separate incidents. Brown used what the referee deemed excessive force and was correctly sent off. There wasn't even a foul in the Begovic incident. Correctly so again. Bego's foot was raised and made clear contact with Fletcher. He got the ball, but so did Brown. Neither were red cards, but you can see why Sunderland fans think Begovic should go I think they will play both incidents back on MOTD after the highlights and there will be unanimity among the panel which is that neither were red cards exactly as you say. They will also point to Peter Crouch smiling with Wes Brown and shaking his head ruefully at the stupidity of the sending off as part of the case against. |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 23, 2013 17:48:30 GMT
David Meylor just in case the Sunderland fans read this Said exactly the same at the match, Wezza. I hope it wasn't a red card as it'll even us up (as long as it's not overturned as Huthy's wasn't). |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 23, 2013 17:49:16 GMT
Bego got the ball, I really can't see the fuss. Brown flew in but that's all I could see from where I sit. I wasn't surprised he walked with how he made the tackle but I have no idea if it was deserved or not.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2013 17:52:56 GMT
Bego got the ball, I really can't see the fuss. Brown flew in but that's all I could see from where I sit. I wasn't surprised he walked with how he made the tackle but I have no idea if it was deserved or not.  |
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Post by Boothen on Nov 23, 2013 17:54:20 GMT
Wasn't a red, but I'm not complaining. Bollocks, beaten like the proverbial red-headed step-child. |
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Post by lee1982 on Nov 23, 2013 17:54:33 GMT
I hope it wasnt a red for the same reasons others are mentioning, Huth couple of seasons ago for one and also Gardners terrible challenge on Wilko last season. What goes around comes around.
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Post by lee1982 on Nov 23, 2013 17:54:47 GMT
I hope it wasnt a red for the same reasons others are mentioning, Huth couple of seasons ago for one and also Gardners terrible challenge on Wilko last season. What goes around comes around.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 23, 2013 17:56:05 GMT
It's a good tackle but he has flown in, it's extremely harsh.
I think we should have had a peno though. When the ball was fizzed across the face of goal and to me Crouch was clearly being held at the back stick. The linesman by the Seddon though didn't make a decision all game.
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Nov 23, 2013 17:58:23 GMT
neither were reds. Brown flew in but got the ball pretty cleanly. Bego jumped to kick the ball away, did so and then caught fletcher slightly after. Definitely not as much as fletcher made out. bego had already kicked the ball half way up the pitch anyway.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 23, 2013 17:59:19 GMT
It's a good tackle but he has flown in, it's extremely harsh. I think we should have had a peno though. When the ball was fizzed across the face of goal and to me Crouch was clearly being held at the back stick. The linesman by the Seddon though didn't make a decision all game. That did look a pen, Bayern. It was subtle but their lad definitely dragged Crouchie back. I'm delighted it's an incorrect decision, just hope he's suspended for 3 games now. Karma is a bitch. |
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Post by fazza90 on Nov 23, 2013 18:00:18 GMT
Sad times if the tackle by Brown is considered an obvious red card by some.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2013 18:00:37 GMT
The referee wasn't even going to give a free-kick and then, whether it was the irate fans behind the dugout or his "assistant" out pops the red card. Took me by surprise. Terrible decision really, i know it went our way but it's never a red card nor for that matter a free-kick for me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 23, 2013 18:02:44 GMT
It's a good tackle but he has flown in, it's extremely harsh. I think we should have had a peno though. When the ball was fizzed across the face of goal and to me Crouch was clearly being held at the back stick. The linesman by the Seddon though didn't make a decision all game. That did look a pen, Bayern. It was subtle but their lad definitely dragged Crouchie back. I'm delighted it's an incorrect decision, just hope he's suspended for 3 games now. Karma is a bitch. Yeah I thought so and the linesman would have had a cracking view because it's virtually the view I have bar a bit of elevation but like I said he was garbage. The best was Bardsley had clearly booted the ball out for a corner and him the ref stood there looking at each other. It was the easiest decision they'll ever have to make. I think if the ref plays the excessive force card he will. |
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Post by desman2 on Nov 23, 2013 18:03:47 GMT
Bad decision.
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Post by Gods on Nov 23, 2013 18:07:44 GMT
Wasn't a red, but I'm not complaining. Bollocks, beaten like the proverbial red-headed step-child. A bad decision but it's not hard to see why Adam gave this challenge a bit of a miss based on the way Wes Brown came charging in |
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 23, 2013 18:11:40 GMT
I've no sympathy from Sunderland. They went on and on about that ridiculous non-incident with Meyler two years ago where the Sunderland player absolutely disgraced his profession and for the last few seasons they've sent an appalling mob of cheats to the Brit. Sessegnon, Meyler, Larsson, Fletcher, O'Shea - they deserved to get an utter shitter of a decision for all of that cheating. If only Arsenal got the same comeuppance every now and then.
EDIT: I should add that what the picture above doesn't show is the very audible sound that came from the challenge. Nothing like a red card, but I'm sure that factored into the decision.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 23, 2013 18:16:19 GMT
It was a harsh red - but my initial reaction was it was sending off as it was reckless.
Begos? Not even similar. It only looked high as Fletcher flung himself at the ball (which Bego cleanly took).
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on Nov 23, 2013 18:17:05 GMT
I agree that neither was a red. I'd rather have seen us win fair and square...except I enjoyed Poyet's wobbler so much I don't give a toss.
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Post by Gods on Nov 23, 2013 18:18:08 GMT
EDIT: I should add that what the picture above doesn't show is the very audible sound that came from the challenge. Nothing like a red card, but I'm sure that factored into the decision. That point is interesting. Charlie Adam in his post match interview does say he did not think it was a sending off but he did confirm there was a noise which he says was contact with his shin pad. Did it sound like it could be that? We could do with Hawkeye and the Snickometer here |
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