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Post by partickpotter on Dec 22, 2013 11:17:42 GMT
It was dire and depressing watching England when we were shit I hope to fuck we are not going back there There is plenty of talent out there so we should be OK - and no stand out competitor like Australia were for most of the nineties and noughties. As far as Swann is concerned, this decision is a sad one. A great servant for England who will be remembered for cutting and running half way through a difficult Ashes series. Whatever happened to "when the going gets tough, the tough get going".
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Post by redstriper on Dec 22, 2013 11:32:26 GMT
Shocking timing.
Very disappointing as he has been a cornerstone off the pitch as well as on it... What on earth is he thinking ? - I can only conclude he thought he was about to get dropped.
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 22, 2013 11:33:10 GMT
It was dire and depressing watching England when we were shit I hope to fuck we are not going back there There is plenty of talent out there so we should be OK - and no stand out competitor like Australia were for most of the nineties and noughties. As far as Swann is concerned, this decision is a sad one. A great servant for England who will be remembered for cutting and running half way through a difficult Ashes series. Whatever happened to "when the going gets tough, the tough get going". He has had 2 elbow operations in what 2 or 3 years apart from finger injuries these are the worst type of injuries for a spinner, Monty is good enough as a spinner its the fielding and the longer tail that will cause problems.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 22, 2013 12:59:57 GMT
Swann's decision seems a bit of a rash one to me, unless he's got media work lined up I can see him getting bored.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 15:34:55 GMT
It was dire and depressing watching England when we were shit I hope to fuck we are not going back there There is plenty of talent out there so we should be OK - and no stand out competitor like Australia were for most of the nineties and noughties. As far as Swann is concerned, this decision is a sad one. A great servant for England who will be remembered for cutting and running half way through a difficult Ashes series. Whatever happened to "when the going gets tough, the tough get going". I agree with you , I have lost all respect for Swann for not having the guts and character to see out the series ......a very poor show indeed
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 15:41:34 GMT
There is plenty of talent out there so we should be OK - and no stand out competitor like Australia were for most of the nineties and noughties. As far as Swann is concerned, this decision is a sad one. A great servant for England who will be remembered for cutting and running half way through a difficult Ashes series. Whatever happened to "when the going gets tough, the tough get going". He has had 2 elbow operations in what 2 or 3 years apart from finger injuries these are the worst type of injuries for a spinner, Monty is good enough as a spinner its the fielding and the longer tail that will cause problems. I'm sure his injuries are a contributing factor in this decision , but not to see out the series is unforgivable, two more Tests is not a lot to ask of him .....he has sent out the wrong signals entirely in doing this , the Australians will be laughing their heads off ( if they were not doing so already ) Agreed about Monty , he is a fine bowler .....the other two attributes of his game are something you just have to live with if he is in the side , he is just naturally hopeless at them , it's not for the want of trying to improve himself I believe
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 22, 2013 16:02:40 GMT
He has had 2 elbow operations in what 2 or 3 years apart from finger injuries these are the worst type of injuries for a spinner, Monty is good enough as a spinner its the fielding and the longer tail that will cause problems. I'm sure his injuries are a contributing factor in this decision , but not to see out the series is unforgivable, two more Tests is not a lot to ask of him .....he has sent out the wrong signals entirely in doing this , the Australians will be laughing their heads off ( if they were not doing so already ) Agreed about Monty , he is a fine bowler .....the other two attributes of his game are something you just have to live with if he is in the side , he is just naturally hopeless at them , it's not for the want of trying to improve himself I believe The alternative approach, would have been for Swann to be "dropped" in favour of Monty, maybe due to a recurrence of his elbow injury, then for him to retire after the series. Instead we have the sight of a second major English player bowing out early because they can't hack it. This series is turning into the biggest fiasco on and off the park I can ever recall; even worse than 2006/7 That said, we have two tests to go; so let's approach the Boxing Day test at the MCG with some positive intent and show the Australans what we are capable of.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 22, 2013 16:13:06 GMT
Good article here on ESPN Cricinfo that reflects the thoughts of many people on this thread; Swann mistaken not to see it through . The last line says it all; It would have done no harm to wait a fortnight.
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Post by adri2008 on Dec 22, 2013 16:18:41 GMT
We are more than capable of getting a result or 2 out of the last 2 tests. We have had Australia wobbling at times but dropped crucial catches just as we were putting pressure on and then allowed their tail to add another 100+ runs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 16:19:10 GMT
As a sidenote what a test between SA and India. Went right down to the wire but can't understand why SA didn't go for the win in those last 3 overs. If they lost one more wicket fair enough but 7 down?? Cracking game mind.....
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 22, 2013 19:12:30 GMT
He has had 2 elbow operations in what 2 or 3 years apart from finger injuries these are the worst type of injuries for a spinner, Monty is good enough as a spinner its the fielding and the longer tail that will cause problems. I'm sure his injuries are a contributing factor in this decision , but not to see out the series is unforgivable, two more Tests is not a lot to ask of him .....he has sent out the wrong signals entirely in doing this , the Australians will be laughing their heads off ( if they were not doing so already ) Agreed about Monty , he is a fine bowler .....the other two attributes of his game are something you just have to live with if he is in the side , he is just naturally hopeless at them , it's not for the want of trying to improve himself I believe The Aussies have neutralised Swann by going after him and the fact the top order is packed with right hander or left handers (can't remember which) that Swann is less effective against, this coupled with the powder puff batting meaning he has a day between innings and from what he's said his body can't just do that. I honestly think he'd have been dropped for the MCG test anyway and it's more honest of him to just retire if his heart is no longer in it, I'd rather that than the self congratulory back slapping farewell test KP's ego will make sure happens. Whatever the reason Swann was a damn fine bowler and took more test wickets in the last 5 years. As for Monty I'd pick him on ability as a bowler and leave the batting to the batsman the loser in this short term will probably be Finn as I'd be surprised if they go with Anderson, Finn and Monty at 9,10 and 11. Longer term I reckon will go for Moeen Ali, Azim Rafiq or Scott Borthwick as batting \ spinning all rounders.
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Post by sydneypotter on Dec 22, 2013 19:48:39 GMT
The England tail is getting longer by the day.
It's a sad way to end a career for a fine bowler and I have to agree with Bisp that to retire in the middle of a test series is a poor decision. To retire in the middle of an Ashes series is unforgivable. I fear he will be long remembered for this action rather than his record as a fine spin bowler. I'm not sure the Aussies are laughing at Swann but will more be celebrating the demise of him as a player and will be glad to see the back of him.
This series is turning out to be one of attrition for the England team, which makes a welcome change from having Aus fast bowlers fall by the wayside. Any news of Trott or has he dropped out of the cricket scene for a while?
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 22, 2013 20:01:24 GMT
If I was an Aussie I'd be singing "where's your sprinkler, where's your sprinkler, where's your sprinkler Graeme Swann" and other "sprinkler" related stuff like "you can stuff your fucking sprinkler up your arse".
If you give it, as we (and particularly Swann) did large in 10/11, you have to be able to take it back. Don't run and hide.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 20:12:29 GMT
We are more than capable of getting a result or 2 out of the last 2 tests. We have had Australia wobbling at times but dropped crucial catches just as we were putting pressure on and then allowed their tail to add another 100+ runs. I disagree. I Think mentally the players are already on the plane home. The only way we'll get anything at the MCG is if the Aussies have been on a 10 day bender to celebrate winning back The Ashes.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 23:04:08 GMT
As a sidenote what a test between SA and India. Went right down to the wire but can't understand why SA didn't go for the win in those last 3 overs. If they lost one more wicket fair enough but 7 down?? Cracking game mind..... Indeed it was mate ....I said to my son at the time Du Plessis was letting countless balls go through without playing at them , that they would regret it if they fell ten runs short ....which it was in effect what happened , it was a marvelous test match though
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Post by apb1979 on Dec 22, 2013 23:09:28 GMT
Interesting Qoutes from Swann in the papers. Saying players are up their own arses
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 22, 2013 23:31:16 GMT
"Some people playing the game at the minute have no idea how far up their own backsides they are," he said. "I hope they look back and are embarrassed about how they carry on."
They're the quotes on the BBC (so far). It's not England specific is it? Unless there's more which are a bit more to the point. "In cricket" could mean anyone from Gower to the Meir Heath Under 11's.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 23:52:55 GMT
"Some people playing the game at the minute have no idea how far up their own backsides they are," he said. "I hope they look back and are embarrassed about how they carry on." They're the quotes on the BBC (so far). It's not England specific is it? Unless there's more which are a bit more to the point. "In cricket" could mean anyone from Gower to the Meir Heath Under 11's. Or indeed himself ?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 22, 2013 23:55:52 GMT
As a sidenote what a test between SA and India. Went right down to the wire but can't understand why SA didn't go for the win in those last 3 overs. If they lost one more wicket fair enough but 7 down?? Cracking game mind..... Indeed it was mate ....I said to my son at the time Du Plessis was letting countless balls go through without playing at them , that they would regret it if they fell ten runs short ....which it was in effect what happened , it was a marvelous test match though Fantastic composure from South Africa to put themselves in a winnable position though. We'd have been bowled out for 150!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 22, 2013 23:57:05 GMT
"Some people playing the game at the minute have no idea how far up their own backsides they are," he said. "I hope they look back and are embarrassed about how they carry on." They're the quotes on the BBC (so far). It's not England specific is it? Unless there's more which are a bit more to the point. "In cricket" could mean anyone from Gower to the Meir Heath Under 11's. Or indeed himself ? Definitely. Because other than KP I'm struggling to think who it could be. And the other candidates from my pov (if it wasn't Swann saying it) would be Swann and Broad. But I thought Swann got on with Broad? The papers seem to be going with it's definitely aimed at England players though, although that quote is definitely ambiguous.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 23:57:28 GMT
Indeed it was mate ....I said to my son at the time Du Plessis was letting countless balls go through without playing at them , that they would regret it if they fell ten runs short ....which it was in effect what happened , it was a marvelous test match though Fantastic composure from South Africa to put themselves in a winnable position though. We'd have been bowled out for 150! It was mate ..trust you to bring us into it though
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 0:01:19 GMT
Definitely. Because other than KP I'm struggling to think who it could be. And the other candidates from my pov (if it wasn't Swann saying it) would be Swann and Broad. But I thought Swann got on with Broad? The papers seem to be going with it's definitely aimed at England players though, although that quote is definitely ambiguous. No doubt we will find out soon enough ....Pietersen could be a good bet ....prime suspect
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2013 0:05:49 GMT
Definitely. Because other than KP I'm struggling to think who it could be. And the other candidates from my pov (if it wasn't Swann saying it) would be Swann and Broad. But I thought Swann got on with Broad? The papers seem to be going with it's definitely aimed at England players though, although that quote is definitely ambiguous. No doubt we will find out soon enough ....Pietersen could be a good bet ....prime suspect He's got to be but it's nothing new and nothing to get upset enough over to retire like this surely? It's all a bit strange.
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Post by apb1979 on Dec 23, 2013 0:10:24 GMT
Few of us speculating on twitter that Prior maybe another candidate who is up his own arse.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 0:12:40 GMT
No doubt we will find out soon enough ....Pietersen could be a good bet ....prime suspect He's got to be but it's nothing new and nothing to get upset enough over to retire like this surely? It's all a bit strange. Well something has obviously upset him ....otherwise surely he would have finished the series first ? Still no excuse though and very un professional ....he lets everyone down doing this , team mates and supporters ......he should man up
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2013 0:17:18 GMT
He's got to be but it's nothing new and nothing to get upset enough over to retire like this surely? It's all a bit strange. Well something has obviously upset him ....otherwise surely he would have finished the series first ? Still no excuse though and very un professional ....he lets everyone down doing this , team mates and supporters ......he should man up Agreed. The rumour I saw before this was that he was dropped anyway and then basically thought "fuck it". Presumably he now gets to spend Christmas with his family, eat and be merry instead of being a water carrier. Maybe that's being harsh on him but I aren't convinced with his reasoning tbh, it's got him throwing his toys out of the pram written all over it for me. But I am a cynical shit.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 23, 2013 0:22:37 GMT
Fantastic composure from South Africa to put themselves in a winnable position though. We'd have been bowled out for 150! It was mate ..trust you to bring us into it though If we didn't laugh we'd cry!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2013 0:26:40 GMT
Graeme Swann ?@swannyg66 33m @michaelvaughan don't jump to conclusions Vaughney. I wasn't talking about the England dressing room or anyone in it. You too bbc.
A tweet from Swann. I knew he was on about the Meir Heath U-11's.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 0:26:42 GMT
Well something has obviously upset him ....otherwise surely he would have finished the series first ? Still no excuse though and very un professional ....he lets everyone down doing this , team mates and supporters ......he should man up Agreed. The rumour I saw before this was that he was dropped anyway and then basically thought "fuck it". Presumably he now gets to spend Christmas with his family, eat and be merry instead of being a water carrier. Maybe that's being harsh on him but I aren't convinced with his reasoning tbh, it's got him throwing his toys out of the pram written all over it for me. But I am a cynical shit. Yes you are ! ....I think it is possible that he would have been dropped ......so what ? Better players than him have suffered that......you just have to get on with it , everybody gets dropped at some point .......arrogant in the extreme for me
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 0:27:57 GMT
It was mate ..trust you to bring us into it though If we didn't laugh we'd cry! I have been over the last month .....buckets full !
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