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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2013 10:56:31 GMT
I'm only listening to it but it sounds like Stokes is doing ok? He bowled ok .....tidy
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 5, 2013 11:25:29 GMT
Well I went bed and they were 100 odd for 1 with Rogers and Watson looking set to bat all day so 270 odd for 5 is a pleasant surprise! I'm only listening to it but it sounds like Stokes is doing ok? He bowled ok .....tidy He's faster than I thought, which is nice!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2013 12:36:29 GMT
Well I went bed and they were 100 odd for 1 with Rogers and Watson looking set to bat all day so 270 odd for 5 is a pleasant surprise! He's faster than I thought, which is nice! We will have to see how he progresses .....to early to say one way or the other yet, I hope he turns out to be what we are looking for ....we need a decent all rounder
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Post by harrysburrow on Dec 5, 2013 13:12:22 GMT
I was impressed with Stokes in the One Dayers? If he comes in and just bats and bowls steadily, then we may as well have played Finn - or Bresnan. He needs to use his skiddy pace, stir things up a bit and do a Mitchell Johnson with the bat or there wasn't much point in breaking him in at this stage? Mores to the point, we need our senior batsmen to start getting some runs because: a. they're due some. b. Anderson and Panesar don't make a great tail?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2013 13:39:07 GMT
I was impressed with Stokes in the One Dayers? If he comes in and just bats and bowls steadily, then we may as well have played Finn - or Bresnan. He needs to use his skiddy pace, stir things up a bit and do a Mitchell Johnson with the bat or there wasn't much point in breaking him in at this stage? Mores to the point, we need our senior batsmen to start getting some runs because: a. they're due some. b. Anderson and Panesar don't make a great tail? b. they do ok when we play at Cardiff mate .....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 5, 2013 13:48:21 GMT
We can bat pretty well down to 9, it's not that much of an issue is it?
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 5, 2013 13:53:01 GMT
Catches win matches. Also symptomatic of a losing team - and we are playing like a bunch of losers at the moment. Let's hope Australia don't score too many more tomorrow because an Aussie first innings score of 400+ would make an England win very unlikely and, based on our recent batting, a second defeat a real possibility (based on us conceding a first innings deficit of around a hundred and chasing 300+ in our second innings on a 5th day wicket). And Perth up next; OMFG! Get them out though for 320 or so and Pietersen clicks then it is game on! Test match cricket is a damm fine game! Catches will always go down .......yes catches win matches , but it's normally the brilliant catches that do .......two catches gone down today that could have made it a good day for us......but we haven't played like a bunch if losers today .....we have done ok on a good batting pitch Yes catches do go down. But winning teams don't let opponents off the hook - which is what we've done today. What should have been a very good day is now just an OK day. Missed opportunities - the losers curse!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2013 14:11:04 GMT
Catches win matches. Also symptomatic of a losing team - and we are playing like a bunch of losers at the moment. Let's hope Australia don't score too many more tomorrow because an Aussie first innings score of 400+ would make an England win very unlikely and, based on our recent batting, a second defeat a real possibility (based on us conceding a first innings deficit of around a hundred and chasing 300+ in our second innings on a 5th day wicket). And Perth up next; OMFG! Get them out though for 320 or so and Pietersen clicks then it is game on! Test match cricket is a damm fine game! Catches will always go down .......yes catches win matches , but it's normally the brilliant catches that do .......two catches gone down today that could have made it a good day for us......but we haven't played like a bunch if losers today .....we have done ok on a good batting pitch In the end, I agree with both of you. If we wanted to give ourselves the least chance of losing (at 2-0 it's surely all over) then we needed to hoick them out quick, or bat for two days (toss depending). Like partick, I fear another 150 for the Aussies tomorrow, and then a collapse from us. What appeared to go in the first test was our bottle. If they do manage 400-450 then it will be tested again. It also appears that the ball may be turning sidewards on Day 4/5 - But we'll be batting then, not the Aussies; as hhhHancock wrote at the time, a bugger of a toss to lose (epecially having gone with the 2nd spinner). But: It does look a decent batting track (at least for another two days), so we did well to restrict them to what they have (for what we have). Like DDU, up above (thanks for the report, Phil - Glad the stadium looks good; it looked good on the telly too), in terms of this match I think we just about ended up winning the first day (but in terms of the series, I'm not sure we won it by enough). Whatever; we need to bowl well first thing tomorrow; and hopefully be batting - and batting well - after lunch.
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 5, 2013 17:12:31 GMT
I am worried about how we're going to progress.
It's a flat batting wicket that we look as though we've bowled reasonably well on so far.
But on a flat good wicket you either need a good wrist spinner or proper pace. We have neither. They have MJ who is bowling well. Sidle and Harris are sharpish too.
I fear the batting maybe more difficult for us.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2013 18:10:52 GMT
I am worried about how we're going to progress. It's a flat batting wicket that we look as though we've bowled reasonably well on so far. But on a flat good wicket you either need a good wrist spinner or proper pace. We have neither. They have MJ who is bowling well. Sidle and Harris are sharpish too. I fear the batting maybe more difficult for us. We have never had a good wrist spinner though have we ? We don't produce them in England ....we have always gone for the traditional slow left armer to spin the ball away from the right handlers to compensate , not effective as a wrist spinner I know but you go with what you've got .....Johnson , Siddle and Harris are the same three bowlers that our batsmen were all over three years ago over there ......our batsmen should be able to score runs against them now as they did then
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2013 18:15:12 GMT
Catches will always go down .......yes catches win matches , but it's normally the brilliant catches that do .......two catches gone down today that could have made it a good day for us......but we haven't played like a bunch if losers today .....we have done ok on a good batting pitch In the end, I agree with both of you. If we wanted to give ourselves the least chance of losing (at 2-0 it's surely all over) then we needed to hoick them out quick, or bat for two days (toss depending). Like partick, I fear another 150 for the Aussies tomorrow, and then a collapse from us. What appeared to go in the first test was our bottle. If they do manage 400-450 then it will be tested again. It also appears that the ball may be turning sidewards on Day 4/5 - But we'll be batting then, not the Aussies; as hhhHancock wrote at the time, a bugger of a toss to lose (epecially having gone with the 2nd spinner). But: It does look a decent batting track (at least for another two days), so we did well to restrict them to what they have (for what we have). Like DDU, up above (thanks for the report, Phil - Glad the stadium looks good; it looked good on the telly too), in terms of this match I think we just about ended up winning the first day (but in terms of the series, I'm not sure we won it by enough). Whatever; we need to bowl well first thing tomorrow; and hopefully be batting - and batting well - after lunch. Whatever they score we need a lead or some sort of parity , with the possibility of it turning for our spinners by the fourth day ( I hope ?)......all is not lost by a long chalk yet , but we do need to perform up to the ability that we are capable of
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2013 18:21:35 GMT
Catches will always go down .......yes catches win matches , but it's normally the brilliant catches that do .......two catches gone down today that could have made it a good day for us......but we haven't played like a bunch if losers today .....we have done ok on a good batting pitch Yes catches do go down. But winning teams don't let opponents off the hook - which is what we've done today. What should have been a very good day is now just an OK day. Missed opportunities - the losers curse! Losing one test does not turn England into,a losing team ! If we lose this and the next one Then you may have some substance to your argument .....until then we are just one down with this and three more to play....
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 5, 2013 18:51:43 GMT
Yes catches do go down. But winning teams don't let opponents off the hook - which is what we've done today. What should have been a very good day is now just an OK day. Missed opportunities - the losers curse! Losing one test does not turn England into,a losing team ! If we lose this and the next one Then you may have some substance to your argument .....until then we are just one down with this and three more to play.... Fair comment - but I reckon England have been deteriorating for some time now with some exceptional bowling and occasional excellent batting bailing them out. My worry is that weakness has become engrained in the side and is in danger of being exposed in this series with drastic consequences. Like I said we are demonstrating the behaviour of losers not winners. But, I sincerely hope I'm wrong and Cook, Pietersen et al step up to the plate.
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Post by sydneypotter on Dec 5, 2013 21:08:14 GMT
Honours were just about even yesterday. The batsmen must be thinking that it was a day lost on a wonderful wicket and the bowlers ruing a number of dropped catches. Davey Warner once again showed why he is an exasperating batsman. He was set, ready to go and fell to the silliest of shots. He must be licking himself sitting in the dressing sheds getting out on a batsman's strip. What was Watson doing. Popping up a catch to the bowler must be the epitome of loss of concentration. Monty's ball to Smith was a delight and the dropped catch off his bowling a dolly. He was the bowler (performer) of the day. 2 spinners could be the difference in this game. The turn on the first day must have surprised just about everyone. Heaven knows what this wicket will be doing by the last two days. On to the second day. This is test match cricket to be savoured.
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Post by sydneypotter on Dec 5, 2013 21:10:26 GMT
Whoops! That should have read that Warner must be kicking himself. ……. although?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2013 22:11:19 GMT
Whoops! That should have read that Warner must be kicking himself. ……. although? Indeed ....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2013 22:15:49 GMT
Honours were just about even yesterday. The batsmen must be thinking that it was a day lost on a wonderful wicket and the bowlers ruing a number of dropped catches. Davey Warner once again showed why he is an exasperating batsman. He was set, ready to go and fell to the silliest of shots. He must be licking himself sitting in the dressing sheds getting out on a batsman's strip. What was Watson doing. Popping up a catch to the bowler must be the epitome of loss of concentration. Monty's ball to Smith was a delight and the dropped catch off his bowling a dolly. He was the bowler (performer) of the day. 2 spinners could be the difference in this game. The turn on the first day must have surprised just about everyone. Heaven knows what this wicket will be doing by the last two days. On to the second day. This is test match cricket to be savoured. Yes mate that delivery from Monty was a good one .....but he played it dreadfully ...neither forward or back , his feet never moved the bat was not straight .....it should never have bowled him , he's got a very strange technique
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Post by duckdownunder59 on Dec 5, 2013 22:22:01 GMT
Smith played the wrong line altogether. He needs some runs,the ABC over here were putting his spot up for grabs.
Anyway,time to put the Stoke top on and head down to the Oval for the day. Hope its a good days play for any of you that are staying up.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 5, 2013 22:56:43 GMT
Root's and Monty's catches are pretty sharp chances. Carberry's is a sitter. Shocking from him. Monty sledging his own side?
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 6, 2013 0:54:49 GMT
I am worried about how we're going to progress. It's a flat batting wicket that we look as though we've bowled reasonably well on so far. But on a flat good wicket you either need a good wrist spinner or proper pace. We have neither. They have MJ who is bowling well. Sidle and Harris are sharpish too. I fear the batting maybe more difficult for us. We have never had a good wrist spinner though have we ? We don't produce them in England ....we have always gone for the traditional slow left armer to spin the ball away from the right handlers to compensate , not effective as a wrist spinner I know but you go with what you've got .....Johnson , Siddle and Harris are the same three bowlers that our batsmen were all over three years ago over there ......our batsmen should be able to score runs against them now as they did then[/quo What about Salisbury? A fine leg spinner (winky thing). Their bowlers seem to have progressed abit though. And MJ does look in decent form.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 1:32:45 GMT
FFS - Haddin caught behind off Stokes and it's a no ball. Literally everything has one wrong this session, could be series defining this we look a pretty broken team at the moment. Need a couple of quick wickets or we're fucked......
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Post by harrysburrow on Dec 6, 2013 4:24:56 GMT
There you go then. Haddin maintains his 3 figure average on this ground and I'm off down the bookies to put a couple of quid on Carberry getting out cheaply when we start batting. ( Hang on they're shut!) Need a draw here now. Great batting track, but Johnson will look like he's bowling hand grenades and Lyon will turn it square?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 7:02:39 GMT
Well I'll tell you what I know. I know that Day Two of the Adelaide Test, in the 2014 Ashes, will not be making the DVD of England's Greatest Ashes Days. Indeed, it won't make the DVD of England's Not Very Good Days. It is, however, a shoe-in for the No1 spot on England's Worst Days in History (the charge of the light brigade, made No2). Record Number of sixes in an Ashes test Clarke & Haddin centuries Harris - feckin' Harris - with a half-century So ... Can we bat for a minimum of two days? Cooke gone already (Johnson, "stumps everywhere") and Rooty will be following him before stumps if he keeps playing with a straight bat, roughly two miles from his body. I can't see it, if I am honest ... if they skittle us by close tomorrow, with anything more than a 100 lead we are in deep trouble. And with Perth to come, in serious trouble in the series too. It will take some performance, from this position, almost at the end of Day 2 of the second test, for us to keep hold of the urn. (thank god for family responsibilities ... I've only caught 3 or so hours live ... Anyone in England - not on holiday from Australia - definately does want certifying if they stayed up past lunch!) Smith played the wrong line altogether. He needs some runs,the ABC over here were putting his spot up for grabs. Anyway,time to put the Stoke top on and head down to the Oval for the day. Hope its a good days play for any of you that are staying up. I hope the beer was decent, phil
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 6, 2013 7:20:59 GMT
Remember when we declared on 551/6 in 2006 and still lost the game?
Hopefully something like that happens the other way round.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 6, 2013 7:21:08 GMT
Afraid this was very predictable after day 1 IMO. Media and "experts" were saying honours were even yesterday. Were they joking with Ozzies on 279-5 . Even the most optimistic would have predicted a 400+ total. Anyway, despite an early loss, we now need to dig in for the long haul to slow the game down, avoid the follow on and hope for an Ozzie 2nd innings collapse. Can't see it happening somehow.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 7:28:08 GMT
Stumps, Day 2
Carberry survives a run out (rubbish call by Root, but thankfully a rubbish throw too) the last but one ball and then would have been out, on appeal, on the last ball lbw ... but the Aussies failed to appeal.
First tiny bit of "luck" for us in the test
We'll need more little bits of luck tomorrow.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 6, 2013 7:57:15 GMT
Lack of a fast bowler could be decisive if Johnson continues the onslaught tomorrow. If ever there is a defining day in an ashes series tomorrow is it. Collapse and the ashes are gone, step up to the plate and it's still game on. I know where my predictions lie at the moment.
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 6, 2013 8:01:26 GMT
Three dropped catches cost England 286 runs without those a completely different story.
Draw probably best we can hope for whatever happens need to keep the Aussie bowlers in the field for a couple of days.
Wonder if Monty might play at Perth ahead of Swann, he got a 4 or 5 for in the 5-0 series, Swann isn't bowling that well and batting even worse and Monty handles short pitched bowling quite well he pisses on bouncers...
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 6, 2013 8:04:12 GMT
Three dropped catches cost England 286 runs without those a completely different story.
Draw probably best we can hope for whatever happens need to keep the Aussie bowlers in the field for a couple of days.
Wonder if Monty might play at Perth ahead of Swann, he got a 4 or 5 for in the 5-0 series, Swann isn't bowling that well and batting even worse and Monty handles short pitched bowling quite well he pisses on bouncers...
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Post by duckdownunder59 on Dec 6, 2013 8:24:04 GMT
Average day today although Stokes is looking promising.
Bit of luck at the end,maybe that ll help.
Now its heads down arse up and grind out a decent score.
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