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Post by followyoudown on Nov 28, 2013 16:34:46 GMT
Given what we saw in the first test, I think the selectors could very be looking to play this side, maybe in the third test: 1 Cooke 2 Carberry 3 Bell 4 KP 5 Root 6 Prior 7 Bresnan 8 Broad 9 Swan 10 Finn 11 Anderson Bres can help keep it tight, Finn is the extra option as the wicket taker (especially for Perth). Does reduce the batting but not by much. Seven is a bit high for Bresnan I feel especially with Prior still seemingly out if sorts with the bat .....I'm in agreement with picking Finn he would always be in the team for me....he can go for a few but he does take wickets , I'm always a fan of playing five bowlers , but ideally this means having a top class all rounder , something we are lacking at the moment It wouldn't surprise me to see Stokes play and Finn be held back for Perth as Adelaide is expected to be a low and slow drop in. Can't see Bresnan (unless completely fit) or Finn being risked in a 4 man attack.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 28, 2013 16:43:21 GMT
I think you maybe need a better understanding of depression \ stress related illnesses. It's a condition Trott has had and managed for a period of time. I agree entirely ....unfortunately it's something I understand only to well , so Trott has my utmost sympathy although I fear a return to test cricket for him may be very hard Without knowing the problem Trott is suffering, I'd agree it's hard to see him playing test cricket again. I'm no expert on mental illness / depression but I'd recommend anyone who thinks it's just a case of not being “right in the head” to read Marcus Trescothick's book.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2013 17:18:29 GMT
I agree entirely ....unfortunately it's something I understand only to well , so Trott has my utmost sympathy although I fear a return to test cricket for him may be very hard Without knowing the problem Trott is suffering, I'd agree it's hard to see him playing test cricket again. I'm no expert on mental illness / depression but I'd recommend anyone who thinks it's just a case of not being “right in the head” to read Marcus Trescothick's book. I've read it mate .....and you are quite right it's nothing to do with not being right in the head , unfortunately some people are to quick to make that assessment
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 28, 2013 20:17:06 GMT
On a brighter note, the official Ashes Cricket game has been scrapped following damning reviews of its gameplay and constant bugs.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 29, 2013 1:09:33 GMT
On a brighter note, the official Ashes Cricket game has been scrapped following damning reviews of its gameplay and constant bugs. So bad it's actually good. Showed it to my Mrs - and she hates cricket. She was rolling around at the video.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 29, 2013 1:13:06 GMT
Without knowing the problem Trott is suffering, I'd agree it's hard to see him playing test cricket again. I'm no expert on mental illness / depression but I'd recommend anyone who thinks it's just a case of not being “right in the head” to read Marcus Trescothick's book. I've read it mate .....and you are quite right it's nothing to do with not being right in the head , unfortunately some people are to quick to make that assessment I'm dealing with mental health issues in my family on a daily basis. I wish it was just about being strong and getting on with it (as it would be for me and most of us). Really it is not. Very few of us who don't have to face or deal with these challenges can really understand. I know I didn't in the past.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 29, 2013 1:25:29 GMT
Seven is a bit high for Bresnan I feel especially with Prior still seemingly out if sorts with the bat .....I'm in agreement with picking Finn he would always be in the team for me....he can go for a few but he does take wickets , I'm always a fan of playing five bowlers , but ideally this means having a top class all rounder , something we are lacking at the moment It wouldn't surprise me to see Stokes play and Finn be held back for Perth as Adelaide is expected to be a low and slow drop in. Canf't see Bresnan (unless completely fit) or Finn being risked in a 4 man attack. I just can't see them risking Finn in a 4 man attack. Any pressure the other bowlers build up is relieved straight away when Finn is brought on most of the time. But we really need Finn in the side - as he offers a bit more pace and aggression than the rest of our attack. You can only do this really by playing Stokes or Bresnan.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2013 2:49:44 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me to see Stokes play and Finn be held back for Perth as Adelaide is expected to be a low and slow drop in. Canf't see Bresnan (unless completely fit) or Finn being risked in a 4 man attack. I just can't see them risking Finn in a 4 man attack. Any pressure the other bowlers build up is relieved straight away when Finn is brought on most of the time. But we really need Finn in the side - as he offers a bit more pace and aggression than the rest of our attack. You can only do this really by playing Stokes or Bresnan. I would always play Finn , I'm not sure about Stokes yet ...but we may have to play him at some point .....Bresnan is reliable but he does not offer much in the wicket taking area for me
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 3, 2013 0:39:03 GMT
I just can't see them risking Finn in a 4 man attack. Any pressure the other bowlers build up is relieved straight away when Finn is brought on most of the time. But we really need Finn in the side - as he offers a bit more pace and aggression than the rest of our attack. You can only do this really by playing Stokes or Bresnan. I would always play Finn , I'm not sure about Stokes yet ...but we may have to play him at some point .....Bresnan is reliable but he does not offer much in the wicket taking area for me Don't disagree Bish. Michael Holding has always banged the drum for Finn. But we can struggle with him in a four man attack. We really need a good all rounder. Bresnan? Stokes? Are either up to the proper definition of a top all rounder. That you'd pick them as a bowler or a batsman. Just to add, doesn't Prior (albeit he's out of touch) do that role?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2013 1:51:06 GMT
Already for my "local" test. For "family reasons" it's on a rubbish weekend; but even so I'm looking forward to it. I hope Root bats at 3 (Gooch hinted he would last night). I too would play Stokes. No one has much idea how the new drop in pitch will play; but as said the expectation is "variable" and that it will turn days 4/5 if not sooner. Despite all of the money spent on one of the most lovely looking cricket grounds, hopefully they haven't changed too much. A little bit of England in this far away place Weather forecast: www.weatherzone.com.au/sa/adelaide/adelaideSo the chance of a few showers, mainly on Sunday (it will be gone by the time play starts on the first day, I would imagine), but certainly nothing that should effect a result. (That possible thunderstorm you see for Addy, for today - Tuesday - It's heading there right now ... it's over my house as I type!). Will be a slowish outfield, first couple of days, I think.
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Post by duckdownunder59 on Dec 3, 2013 8:30:23 GMT
The weathers looking a dodgy Andy,hope its passed through by Thursday morning.
I think we might have a few rain delays in the first couple of days.
Never mind it ll be a good excuse to try the new Oval bars.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2013 11:02:15 GMT
I would always play Finn , I'm not sure about Stokes yet ...but we may have to play him at some point .....Bresnan is reliable but he does not offer much in the wicket taking area for me Don't disagree Bish. Michael Holding has always banged the drum for Finn. But we can struggle with him in a four man attack. We really need a good all rounder. Bresnan? Stokes? Are either up to the proper definition of a top all rounder. That you'd pick them as a bowler or a batsman. Just to add, doesn't Prior (albeit he's out of touch) do that role? I'm not sure for me that Bresnan fits the bill as an all rounder at Test level, he is a good lower order batsman, but nothing more than a steady Eddie with the ball....as I already said he does not take enough wickets when you only have a four man attack, Stokes is a little bit of an unknown quantity , we won't really know if he's good enough until he plays a few games , yes you could describe Prior in that way ( although for me a true all rounder should be an adequate bowler ) really he is a good enough batsman to be coming in at six, thus allowing us to play five bowlers , but in recent years the selection policy has been to go with ( in effect ) a seven man batting order ,,,,,,for me this is unbalanced , I prefer a five man attack, four seamers with a little variety in there and a spinner ( unless it's going to turn , then you play the extra spinner ) .....I can't see them going back to this though .....especially as the batting is frequently misfiring at the moment
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Post by harrysburrow on Dec 3, 2013 13:08:13 GMT
Prior is a good wicket keeper and virtually none existent batsman at the moment? Monty could well be useful on this pitch, but if he doesn't do anything with the ball then we are pretty much playing with 10 men. Some of our early order batsmen need to step up to the plate now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 9:17:46 GMT
Latest weather ... There may be no play before lunch on the first day. (bad for you lot, back home, as that is the "easy" session to stay up and watch). 63% chance of rain at 9am ... But gone (until Sunday) after noon. So fingers crossed that the rain blows away before 11am and we get away on time. Should be rain (nearly half an inch, maybe) over night tonight ... But low humidity all weekend, so won't swing. On Sunday average 70% chance of up to 5mm ... yes, that's nearly a teaspoonful ... Can't see it myself, but it will be play around showers if it does rain. So, if the weather won't save us ... Who will!?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 11:20:36 GMT
Latest weather ... There may be no play before lunch on the first day. (bad for you lot, back home, as that is the "easy" session to stay up and watch). 63% chance of rain at 9am ... But gone (until Sunday) after noon. So fingers crossed that the rain blows away before 11am and we get away on time. Should be rain (nearly half an inch, maybe) over night tonight ... But low humidity all weekend, so won't swing. On Sunday average 70% chance of up to 5mm ... yes, that's nearly a teaspoonful ... Can't see it myself, but it will be play around showers if it does rain. So, if the weather won't save us ... Who will!? Ourselves mate ......ourselves
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Post by marrer on Dec 4, 2013 11:30:15 GMT
Hey up Fookin'. They were predicting hail for your neck of the woods tomorrow. Can't believe how the ground looks now; it looks space age compared to last year. Are you going??
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Post by duckdownunder59 on Dec 4, 2013 11:55:38 GMT
I ll be there tomorrow ,but with the weather looking a bit dodgy I won't be making an early trip into town.
The Oval looks in great shape but this is the first time we ve had a drop in wicket so nobody knows how it's going to play.
The general opinion around the place is a draw but we might get a surprise.whoever wins the toss bats first and aims for 400 plus and hopes it takes spin at the end.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 13:03:39 GMT
Hey up Fookin'. They were predicting hail for your neck of the woods tomorrow. Can't believe how the ground looks now; it looks space age compared to last year. Are you going?? Going, no ... I have family responsibilities. Why people can't organise international tournaments around the extremely few family responsibilities I have is beyond me ... well them! And yes it does look space aged. But I hope when I'm down in town for a look it hasn't "ruined" the look of the parklands around it. I liked the vibe there, when we lived in the city for a while. Still, they have to spend all this tax dollar on something, eh! Hail I haven't seen forecast ... but it is that weird time of year, so it's all expected for the next few weeks. It looks like only early tomorrow and Sunday are at risk, so it will be (all but) a full five dayer (or 5 available, anyway) And I hope so, Bish. But we need to bowl first and we need to bowl them out cheap. All of Australia is talking about cricket, again, and they won't let go again if they scent anymore blood. We were offal in that first test; is the backbone in the squad to stand up to the pressure? EDIT: A monster hail storm is currently wrecking my roof
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 4, 2013 13:23:27 GMT
I'd go;
Cook Carberry Root KP Bell Ballance Prior Swann Broad Finn Anderson
And if not Finn, I'd go for Monty.
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Post by harrysburrow on Dec 4, 2013 17:32:46 GMT
Does anyone else find it strange that one of Michael Clarke's quirks in pre match interviews is guessing the England line up? He's gone for Root at 3, plus Ballance and Bresnan coming in by the way? Got a gut feeling this one will be a draw and we will go into the 3rd Test still one down?
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Post by duckdownunder59 on Dec 4, 2013 20:49:23 GMT
Time to get ready and head to the Oval and hopefully see some great cricket.
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 4, 2013 22:19:30 GMT
Vaughan and a few other journalists like Mike Selvey reckon England will go Stokes for Trott and Monty for Tremlett
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Post by harrysburrow on Dec 4, 2013 22:26:23 GMT
Stokes would be interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 22:37:02 GMT
Does anyone else find it strange that one of Michael Clarke's quirks in pre match interviews is guessing the England line up? He's gone for Root at 3, plus Ballance and Bresnan coming in by the way? Got a gut feeling this one will be a draw and we will go into the 3rd Test still one down? Clarke's being a complete and utter cock and needs knocking down a peg or two. Come on England big performance is needed.........
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Post by sydneypotter on Dec 4, 2013 23:02:00 GMT
Here we go fellow cricket lovers of either persuasion. A brand new Adelaide Oval complete with all the latest stadia equipment and beer dispensing facilities; enough to please any member of the Balmy Army (yes I know it's Barmy, but after the army has been out in the Aussie sun for a day or two, then Balmy and more subdued could fit).
I have to say I'm looking forward to watching this contest more than I was the Brisbane Test. The flatter wicket should (could) help the captains to focus on the finer points of test cricket bringing spin bowling to centre stage on the fourth and last days, if it gets that far down the track. The English team should feel more at home in Adelaide. It's slightly more refined than Brisbane i.e not a noisy and significantly less like a baying Colosseum crowd. Polite applause and the gentile clinking of Royal Derby china tea cups is more the norm here. The SA press have more accommodating personalities too compared to The Brisbane Courier Mail. At least I would expect them to mention Mr Broad by name.
As a reminder. Head to head: Australia 134, England 105 and 93 draws. In Adelaide: Australia 16, England 9 and 5 draws.
I read in this morning's Sydney Morning Herald that Mitch Johnson has been spending time with the SAS jumping out of aeroplanes and generally getting involved with their training regime. He did this at their Perth barracks and was supervised by an SAS VC winner. I'm hoping that he doesn't employ hand to hand combat techniques if Mr Root gets a bit cheeky. (Just glad it wasn't Davey Warner on the training exercise)
Not withstanding the gutter press' continued attempts to denigrate the players and the game itself and with the fervent hope that the nasties of Brisbane are left behind I hope that the match is played in a hard but fair manner. Good luck England and may the better team win.
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 4, 2013 23:14:36 GMT
Stokes and Monty.
That's a shock!
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Dec 4, 2013 23:25:33 GMT
Don't disagree Bish. Michael Holding has always banged the drum for Finn. But we can struggle with him in a four man attack. We really need a good all rounder. Bresnan? Stokes? Are either up to the proper definition of a top all rounder. That you'd pick them as a bowler or a batsman. Just to add, doesn't Prior (albeit he's out of touch) do that role? I'm not sure for me that Bresnan fits the bill as an all rounder at Test level, he is a good lower order batsman, but nothing more than a steady Eddie with the ball....as I already said he does not take enough wickets when you only have a four man attack, Stokes is a little bit of an unknown quantity , we won't really know if he's good enough until he plays a few games , yes you could describe Prior in that way ( although for me a true all rounder should be an adequate bowler ) really he is a good enough batsman to be coming in at six, thus allowing us to play five bowlers , but in recent years the selection policy has been to go with ( in effect ) a seven man batting order ,,,,,,for me this is unbalanced , I prefer a five man attack, four seamers with a little variety in there and a spinner ( unless it's going to turn , then you play the extra spinner ) .....I can't see them going back to this though .....especially as the batting is frequently misfiring at the moment I bow to your superior knowledge on these subjects Bish, but I actually would be interested to see how the averages reflect the Finn v Bresnan debate? I know Finn has had the odd good innings with the ball but surely Bres is the more consistent wicket taker overall? Never seems to go many innings without chipping in with a couple and must have a better economy rate?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 23:25:36 GMT
Fancy Panesar to make inroads, I've got a good feeling about this test. Hope Stokes is firing I've seen him bowl live and he's a genuine 90mph bowler when he finds his rythym....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 4, 2013 23:27:19 GMT
Big runs needed from the experienced lads and Swann and Broad down the order. Good to see some decent options for the bowling though. Bold in a way, conservative in another. Most intriguing.
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Dec 4, 2013 23:28:15 GMT
Stokes and Monty. That's a shock! That official mate? Cant believe the Aussies would have ordered a wicket that would favour a spinner before the start of the series, let alone one that would warrant us playing 2 spinners?
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