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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 19, 2013 16:56:50 GMT
I see that Blatter is now claiming that it was political pressure from governments rather than corruption that took the World Cup to Qatar.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2013 17:27:58 GMT
I see that Blatter is now claiming that it was political pressure from governments rather than corruption that took the World Cup to Qatar. Eh?
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 19, 2013 17:45:59 GMT
Good God, two people who'll never admit they're wrong, & can drag a thread out for page after page going round in circles, are now going head-to-head. Admin, do us all a favour & shitbin this thread! We've got 9 years of this to look forward! Something over which we have absolutely no control or influence.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 19, 2013 17:52:07 GMT
I see that Blatter is now claiming that it was political pressure from governments rather than corruption that took the World Cup to Qatar. Eh? ESPN reports that when Blatter was asked by a German magazine if Qatar had won the vote for non-sporting reasons, he replied: "Yes, there was definitely direct political influence. European leaders recommended to its voting members to opt for Qatar, because of major economic interests in the country." That has been interpreted as a dig at Uefa president Michel Platini, who is said to have dined with Nicolas Sarkozy, the then president of France, and Sheikh Hamad Al-Thani, the Emir of Qatar, before the vote in 2010. Platini has consistently denied any political pressure was applied. Read more: www.theweek.co.uk/football/55220/uefa-backs-winter-world-cup-blatter-admits-foul-play#ixzz2fMW1ZN89
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2013 18:08:44 GMT
Eh? ESPN reports that when Blatter was asked by a German magazine if Qatar had won the vote for non-sporting reasons, he replied: "Yes, there was definitely direct political influence. European leaders recommended to its voting members to opt for Qatar, because of major economic interests in the country." That has been interpreted as a dig at Uefa president Michel Platini, who is said to have dined with Nicolas Sarkozy, the then president of France, and Sheikh Hamad Al-Thani, the Emir of Qatar, before the vote in 2010. Platini has consistently denied any political pressure was applied. Read more: www.theweek.co.uk/football/55220/uefa-backs-winter-world-cup-blatter-admits-foul-play#ixzz2fMW1ZN89What an utter shambles. How on earth does Blatter think it's okay to make a statement like that and for people not to question the legitimacy of the vote? Interesting piece here: www.philly.com/philly/sports/soccer/FIFA_president_Sepp_Blatter_Qatar_won_2022_World_Cup_with_political_influence.html"I don’t see at this stage, frankly, how I or any member of FIFA’s executive committee could make a sensible decision," Gulati told the New York Times. "We don’t have enough information, and there are too many questions. I don’t see how anybody in a position of responsibility can take a position without some answers."
Fox Sports, which paid $425 million for English-language rights to air the 2018 and 2022 tournaments in the United States, has said publicly that the value of its deal comes from playing the tournament in the summer.
"FIFA has informed us that they are considering voting on moving the 2022 World Cup,” Fox said in a statement to Bloomberg and other media outlets. "Fox Sports bought the World Cup rights with the understanding they would be in the summer as they have been since the 1930s."
FIFA might not think much of being threatened with one breach-of-contract lawsuit.
But if more TV companies around the world start making the same threat, FIFA might have to pay attention.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 19, 2013 18:23:56 GMT
Fox Sports, which paid $425 million for English-language rights to air the 2018 and 2022 tournaments in the United States, has said publicly that the value of its deal comes from playing the tournament in the summer. "FIFA has informed us that they are considering voting on moving the 2022 World Cup,” Fox said in a statement to Bloomberg and other media outlets. "Fox Sports bought the World Cup rights with the understanding they would be in the summer as they have been since the 1930s." Interesting, I hadn't thought about it before but a 'Winter World Cup' would dramatically clash with the final divisional, play-off & superbowl games in American Football. No-one in the US will give a shit about 'soccer' durring that time. FIFA bumming up to the Middle East goes massively against their push to make 'soccer' number one in the States.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2013 18:38:35 GMT
Fox Sports, which paid $425 million for English-language rights to air the 2018 and 2022 tournaments in the United States, has said publicly that the value of its deal comes from playing the tournament in the summer. "FIFA has informed us that they are considering voting on moving the 2022 World Cup,” Fox said in a statement to Bloomberg and other media outlets. "Fox Sports bought the World Cup rights with the understanding they would be in the summer as they have been since the 1930s." Interesting, I hadn't thought about it before but a 'Winter World Cup' would dramatically clash with the final divisional, play-off & superbowl games in American Football. No-one in the US will give a shit about 'soccer' durring that time. FIFA bumming up to the Middle East goes massively against their push to make 'soccer' number one in the States. Indeed. Like the guy from the FIFA executive said - how can FIFA in all good conscience make an informed decision about whether to switch the tournament to the winter or not, until there has been a detailed discussion with every party that would be affected by such a move?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 19, 2013 18:53:36 GMT
Interesting, I hadn't thought about it before but a 'Winter World Cup' would dramatically clash with the final divisional, play-off & superbowl games in American Football. No-one in the US will give a shit about 'soccer' durring that time. FIFA bumming up to the Middle East goes massively against their push to make 'soccer' number one in the States. Indeed. Like the guy from the FIFA executive said - how can FIFA in all good conscience make an informed decision about whether to switch the tournament to the winter or not, until there has been a detailed discussion with every party that would be affected by such a move? Just thinking more into this, is Fox still owned by that mad bastard who owns Sky? if so, he's going to be mightly pleased that he's spending millions to pay for a World Cup which no-one in America will watch 'cos of NFL, whilst also paying billions to show erm.... No Premiership football 'cos the season is on hold!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2013 18:57:19 GMT
Indeed. Like the guy from the FIFA executive said - how can FIFA in all good conscience make an informed decision about whether to switch the tournament to the winter or not, until there has been a detailed discussion with every party that would be affected by such a move? Just thinking more into this, is Fox still owned by that mad bastard who owns Sky? if so, he's going to be mightly pleased that he's spending millions to pay for a World Cup which no-one in America will watch 'cos of NFL, whilst also paying billions to show erm.... No Premiership football 'cos the season is on hold! This is exactly the sort of thing I was alluding to earlier in the thread Communist and that was before I had had a chance to read the article about Fox.
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 19, 2013 22:11:38 GMT
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Post by frumpy on Sept 19, 2013 23:33:34 GMT
One thing I love about the WC outside of the footy is all the half naked women in the stands. In a winter WC they'd be covered up. Fook that. More half naked women bouncing their boobies during the matches please.
But really, FIFA is incredibly corrupt. This never made sense from the start, having this in Qatar. Still think it might end up in the US. Infrastructure is in place. We were a finalist. Can do it on short notice. And I don't see Russia and Europe being considered back to back. Too close.
And a winter WC doesn't stop league play for only a month. Need 2-3 weeks of preparation and friendlies beforehand, then a few weeks to recover after. So leagues will go on hold mid season for 2 months? That will F up multiple seasons. In a 10 month league calender you can't make that time up during a summer. The season before and after would be effected.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 20, 2013 0:27:14 GMT
Just the tip of a very large ice burg of opposition from the people who REALLY matter I suspect. www.arabianbusiness.com/fox-said-oppose-qatar-world-cup-switch-518763.html"US broadcaster Fox Sports is opposed to any proposal to re-arrange the Qatar 2022 World Cup from summer to winter, sources told the Bloomberg news agency.
Fox in 2011 agreed to pay a world record $425m for the TV rights for the 2018 and 2022 tournaments, a sum which dwarfed that paid by ESPN to broadcast the 2010 and 2014 events in South Africa and Brazil, respectively."www.arabianbusiness.com/qatar-faces-compensation-bill-move-2022-world-cup-lawyer-517589.html"Proposals by football regulator body FIFA to move the 2022 World Cup tournament to a winter date is likely to land Qatar with a large compensation bill from sponsors.
The legal issue would be to do with legislative expectation of sponsors and partners who might want to advertise their brands in the summer rather than the winter.
They might come to an arrangement but what you can’t stop is other people feeling aggrieved and they would have a strong legal argument... If it becomes a legal issue it is going to cost a lot of money and they would have a very good standing to do so.”
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 1:43:22 GMT
This thread's a tad lively eh Paul? And for what it's worth i'm in full agreement with all the points you're raising in relation to accommodating FIFA's likely proposal. Holding the World Cup in the (northern hemisphere) winter really does screw up so many other events, along with all our domestic football competitions, our broadcasters schedules, the rugby, the cricket, tennis etc. But it's not just the UK - this involves every sport and every broadcaster in every serious footballing nation on earth. When you actually start to look into the full ramifications of a winter event, the bigger picture that emerges does seem to be an incredibly complicated mess. I'm not sure that FIFA have actually thought this one through either. Quelle Surprise! I also noticed on the BBC website that the Australian FA are contemplating suing FIFA over the bid as well. This really isn't the spirit in which we should be entering a World Cup - there's already an awful lot of bad feeling around this Qatar tournament and as more facts slowly come to light, global public opinion can only become more hostile toward FIFA. We've basically ended up in this situation because FIFA are corrupt and Mr. Blatter refuses point blank to see the reality of the situation - that would mean he'd have to act. I honestly don't think that Sepp Blatter is bent, he's just another part of the problem. However, the organisation he leads is very powerful and institutionally corrupt due to the way the voting membership go about their business. The next FIFA boss needs to first admit that the problems exist and also to be a hardline reformer with a clear mandate to restructure the organisation. They need someone like Jacques Rogge who got to grips with corruption in the IOC. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/24017134
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 2:11:43 GMT
We should all get used to it, though not ideal, we are going to see the World Cup in Qatar in WINTER...End of. Love it or hate it, get used to it. Changes have happened in our domestic leagues and cups, for example. 1..20 Teams in top flight , I remember 24. 2..Random kick off times to suit TV...I remember the good old days when EVERY game kicked off at 3PM on a Saturday. 3..League cup 1st 2 rounds over 2 legs. ( Might only have been 1st Rnd ) 4..FA Cup Semi Final played at neutral grounds. 5..FA Cup final & league cup final going to replays in the event of a draw. ( not sure if league cup did ) 6..PLAY OFFS.. ( I remember the 1st season of play offs when 2 went down, 2 came up and 3rd bottom plus 3rd 4th & 5th played off ) 7..Back Pass to Goalies... 8..Golden Goal in cups in extra time, ( Maybe not domestic, but certainly world cup & euro's ) 9..Teams finishing bottom of Div 4 sought re election...Crewe always did, torquay always failed, because lower league teams prefer to play Crewe in the midlands than Torquay in Devon, cheaper travel exes, and more fans... Plus numerous others.
The fact is that we as fans have to get used to changes, and if the powers that be do insist, which is almost a cert, on a Qatar Winter World Cup the lets get used to it...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 7:02:16 GMT
We should all get used to it, though not ideal, we are going to see the World Cup in Qatar in WINTER...End of. Love it or hate it, get used to it. Changes have happened in our domestic leagues and cups, for example. 1..20 Teams in top flight , I remember 24. 2..Random kick off times to suit TV...I remember the good old days when EVERY game kicked off at 3PM on a Saturday. 3..League cup 1st 2 rounds over 2 legs. ( Might only have been 1st Rnd ) 4..FA Cup Semi Final played at neutral grounds. 5..FA Cup final & league cup final going to replays in the event of a draw. ( not sure if league cup did ) 6..PLAY OFFS.. ( I remember the 1st season of play offs when 2 went down, 2 came up and 3rd bottom plus 3rd 4th & 5th played off ) 7..Back Pass to Goalies... 8..Golden Goal in cups in extra time, ( Maybe not domestic, but certainly world cup & euro's ) 9..Teams finishing bottom of Div 4 sought re election...Crewe always did, torquay always failed, because lower league teams prefer to play Crewe in the midlands than Torquay in Devon, cheaper travel exes, and more fans... Plus numerous others. The fact is that we as fans have to get used to changes, and if the powers that be do insist, which is almost a cert, on a Qatar Winter World Cup the lets get used to it... And just how many of the changes that you've so very carefully listed above do you reckon were bought about through the persuasive use of bribes and illegal payoffs? And how many of them were utterly, utterly stupid decisions where common sense is totally ignored? I've got absolutely no problem with change Shangsy, in life the only thing that is totally constant is change itself. If I was a betting man i'd probably say that you're right and that FIFA will ultimately huff and puff and steamroller this one through. However, There's a long way to go between now and 2022 and it does feel like there's a groundswell of individuals who care enough about the good of the game, that don't want FIFA to get away with yet another smash and grab. That's why the likes of Paul Spencer bang on about it. That's why I bang on about it. You roll over and have your tummy tickled...
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Post by greyman on Sept 20, 2013 7:09:50 GMT
Get used to it? I've already watched as the FA devalued their own cup - which was once arguably just as important as the League Championship - to something that clubs would like to win but aren't all that bothered about. Now we see this shit and we're just expected to suck it up? FIFA appear to have awarded this competition to a country knowing it was unable to fulfil the bid criteria. In doing so they have committed Leagues around the world to change their schedules for years, face the prospect of clubs suing them for compensation, not to mention the countries who bid in good faith but didn't realise the process was rigged and FIFA had lied to them about what they needed to do to win the tournament. It's a mess and I hope they are sued for so much money by Leagues, bidding associations, clubs, broadcasters and fans that FIFA chucks the corrupt Platini off his little gravy train and look again at what it will do in 2022.
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 20, 2013 7:18:57 GMT
Another nail in the coffin of football - caused by the free market capitalism - sell to the highest bidder and screw over the small guy. It's what the world is all about and it has ruined football too.
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Post by chiefie on Sept 20, 2013 7:47:01 GMT
Are the other European nations going mad about it ?
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Post by stokecity4life on Sept 20, 2013 8:19:23 GMT
Whatever the 'ins and outs and shake it all abouts' the decision to award the World Cup to Qatar knowing the temps and the OBVIOUS backhanders that have gone on is simply laughable, corrupt and disgusting.
LAUGHABLE.
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Post by jeycov on Sept 20, 2013 8:28:41 GMT
What would constitute as Winter? Are they considering a February WC for example? - Remove 'international friendly' breaks for the 2021-22 season (any friendlies have to be midweek, if the midweek is spare) - FA Cup matches to be played Midweek - no replays for a one-off season - Start the season 2 weeks earlier and end it 2 weeks later. Probably would be the least disruptive way. It's not just about whether or not England qualify - many Prem players are internationals for various countries. Some excellent suggestions here, possibly keep the later rounds of the FA Cup at weekends (currently there is some adjustment of fixtures at the later stages and league games are moved) A reduction in International friendlies (as suggested in the opening comment) could be an important consideration Another excellent point is some adjustment in the season before this, maybe ending a couple of weeks earlier to allow the players to have a good break. Interesting transfer window timing?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 8:32:15 GMT
Are the other European nations going mad about it ? I'm really not sure about the validity or relevance in your question or indeed what you're actually driving at. However, I reckon that the Football Associations of Belgium, the Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Australia, Japan, South Korea, and the United States are all fairly livid. The Australian FFA are considering suing FIFA for 25mill. And when the French, Spanish, German and Italian FA's eventually break silence and also have to face up to some of the very real and very disruptive issues raised by Paul Spencer upthread, you tell me? What do you think?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 8:44:59 GMT
And ultimately it will be a one off, and variety is the spice of life. I am looking forward to it, a bit of a break for domestic footy, and lets face it travel to and from games is often difficult, lots of matches called off, lots of injuries... with hopefully England in the world cup, then week or so later, back to normal...And lets face it, we ( Stoke ) are not normally that good in winter, especially January, I for one can't wait for summat different... Throw into the equation that historically gates are always down in Jan / Feb, due to people tightening post Christmas budgets, you never know, it could actually be a good thing, but only as a one off... What would you rather do, a cold wet January midweek trip to Sunderland, or watch the world cup and go to sunderland in March, when it will be....err....cold and wet....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 9:04:27 GMT
Are the other European nations going mad about it ? I'm really not sure about the validity or relevance in your question or indeed what you're actually driving at. However, I reckon that the Football Associations of Belgium, the Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Australia, Japan, South Korea, and the United States are all fairly livid. The Australian FFA are considering suing FIFA for 25mill. And when the French, Spanish, German and Italian FA's eventually break silence and also have to face up to some of the very real and very disruptive issues raised by Paul Spencer upthread, you tell me? What do you think? the 54 European associations have all agreed to move the world cup to the winter now but want a full discussion before deciding when in the winter it will be played i.e. before or after Christmas in order to protect the Christmas fixtures and Champions league fixtures. they don't seem that livid although the Premiership (which people should remember is independent of the FA) still don't want there to be any final decision as yet until further matters have been looked into.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 9:17:42 GMT
There's a simple truth here Millsy which seems to be eluding you. FIFA are corrupt, the Qatar WC2022 award was illegal and FIFA will damage the game further if we all allow it to happen.
Now, which part of that sentence are you struggling with? Or would you like to have your tummy tickled along with Shangs as well?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 9:28:29 GMT
There's a simple truth here Millsy which seems to be eluding you. FIFA are corrupt, the Qatar WC2022 award was illegal and FIFA will damage the game further if we all allow it to happen. Now, which part of that sentence are you struggling with? Or would you like to have your tummy tickled along with Shangs as well? ????? i haven't missed any of that ************** and i suggest you may want to start reading posts correctly before being a patronising cock!! pretty sure that none of my post even implied, inferred or talked about that....but then again if you actually addressed what i'd written then you'd have to admit you were wrong about the euro nations being livid, which they quite clearly aren't so you turn it around to accuse me of something else entirely instead.childish, factually incorrect and just pathetic. all my post did was state the facts as to what has happened in terms of the euro nations, i didn't express my personal opinion on the matter just stated the FACTS!!!!! just because you don't like them doesn't cause any need to have a pop at me (pretty sure i'm not a part of the 54 associations that voted but there you go) i have never disputed that FIFA are corrupt in any way (and would like you to point out anything i've said to disupute that as you seem to think i've "Missed it") you inferred that all the euro nations would be livid, i merely pointed out that it doesn't appear to be the case. now, one thing YOU appear to have missed mate....whether you like it or not, WE cannot do anything about it whatsoever, absoltely nothing, nada,zilch,fuck all!!! you can whinge, whine like a little bitch as much as you like or think that having a peace march or creating a facebook page will do something but it won't. the only people that CAN do something about it are the TV companies (which Fox appear to be trying to) and the competing countries. it would appear the competing countries DON'T have that many objections to it, or certainly not the european ones as they have ALL agreed to it.you may want to note that FIFA give the square root of fuck all what YOU think or I think or what ANY of us think; they care about the monetary aspect and they care about whether the competing nations will all rise up against them which they're not. you are simply a member of the public and unfortunately whether it's right or wrong, your opinion means nothing in the grand scheme of things. it's about time you grew up and realised that (unless you wield some kind of power over football in this country that you're telling anyone about) Now,which part of that sentence are you struggling with? as per usual, people make their own assumptions (that the euro countries will be livid), are proved to be wrong and therefore ignore the post completely and resort to being patronising, self-superior knobheads simply because they can't come back on the actual post itself. pathetic!
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 20, 2013 9:41:00 GMT
Other European FA's are compliant but the fans aren't happy about it.... so they are the same as the English FA and fans.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 10:15:22 GMT
There's a simple truth here Millsy which seems to be eluding you. FIFA are corrupt, the Qatar WC2022 award was illegal and FIFA will damage the game further if we all allow it to happen. Now, which part of that sentence are you struggling with? Or would you like to have your tummy tickled along with Shangs as well? ????? i haven't missed any of that ************** and i suggest you may want to start reading posts correctly before being a patronising cock!! pretty sure that none of my post even implied, inferred or talked about that....but then again if you actually addressed what i'd written then you'd have to admit you were wrong about the euro nations being livid, which they quite clearly aren't so you turn it around to accuse me of something else entirely instead.childish, factually incorrect and just pathetic. all my post did was state the facts as to what has happened in terms of the euro nations, i didn't express my personal opinion on the matter just stated the FACTS!!!!! just because you don't like them doesn't cause any need to have a pop at me (pretty sure i'm not a part of the 54 associations that voted but there you go) i have never disputed that FIFA are corrupt in any way (and would like you to point out anything i've said to disupute that as you seem to think i've "Missed it") you inferred that all the euro nations would be livid, i merely pointed out that it doesn't appear to be the case. now, one thing YOU appear to have missed mate....whether you like it or not, WE cannot do anything about it whatsoever, absoltely nothing, nada,zilch,fuck all!!! you can whinge, whine like a little bitch as much as you like or think that having a peace march or creating a facebook page will do something but it won't. the only people that CAN do something about it are the TV companies (which Fox appear to be trying to) and the competing countries. it would appear the competing countries DON'T have that many objections to it, or certainly not the european ones as they have ALL agreed to it.you may want to note that FIFA give the square root of fuck all what YOU think or I think or what ANY of us think; they care about the monetary aspect and they care about whether the competing nations will all rise up against them which they're not. you are simply a member of the public and unfortunately whether it's right or wrong, your opinion means nothing in the grand scheme of things. it's about time you grew up and realised that (unless you wield some kind of power over football in this country that you're telling anyone about) Now,which part of that sentence are you struggling with? as per usual, people make their own assumptions (that the euro countries will be livid), are proved to be wrong and therefore ignore the post completely and resort to being patronising, self-superior knobheads simply because they can't come back on the actual post itself. pathetic! Well that certainly told me. Best keep me trap shut from now on then. But before I go, and as Paul Spencer said earlier on, actually take some time to carefully read the posts in the thread before you have a good go at people. This is the second time today that you've been asked to re-read the previous posts (and who you actually attribute them to), before you start calling people a knob head, patronising little bitch, cock. Millsy, if you do that i'll personally guarantee that you'll lose that "stupid tit who doesn't read the bloody posts properly" reputation in record time. Have you been on the piss or what son? Anyhow, i've had a really nice day so far today and you're certainly not going to spoil it. It's my youngest daughter's 9th birthday and co-incidentally my eldest daughter has also just jumped on board the Virgin train at Stoke Station with her bags and her books to start her new life and her English&Media degree at Goldsmiths College in London. So you've got me on a good day chief. Chill out a bit Millsy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 10:32:47 GMT
There's a simple truth here Millsy which seems to be eluding you. FIFA are corrupt, the Qatar WC2022 award was illegal and FIFA will damage the game further if we all allow it to happen. Now, which part of that sentence are you struggling with? Or would you like to have your tummy tickled along with Shangs as well? Nobody is tickling my tummy **************, as you so eloquently put it. I am merely stating that in my opinion the prospect of a winter WC is not that bad. The fact that Qatar were awarded it in the 1st place is a totally different issue.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 10:40:50 GMT
There's a simple truth here Millsy which seems to be eluding you. FIFA are corrupt, the Qatar WC2022 award was illegal and FIFA will damage the game further if we all allow it to happen. Now, which part of that sentence are you struggling with? Or would you like to have your tummy tickled along with Shangs as well? Nobody is tickling my tummy **************, as you so eloquently put it. I am merely stating that in my opinion the prospect of a winter WC is not that bad. The fact that Qatar were awarded it in the 1st place is a totally different issue. I know that Shangs. But I can't seem to separate the two issues. (ie the WC award and then the shift in date - that's for you Millsy baby x hic!) and I really don't see why we should take it up the a**e because nobody had a thermometer at FIFA.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 10:46:38 GMT
????? i haven't missed any of that ************** and i suggest you may want to start reading posts correctly before being a patronising cock!! pretty sure that none of my post even implied, inferred or talked about that....but then again if you actually addressed what i'd written then you'd have to admit you were wrong about the euro nations being livid, which they quite clearly aren't so you turn it around to accuse me of something else entirely instead.childish, factually incorrect and just pathetic. all my post did was state the facts as to what has happened in terms of the euro nations, i didn't express my personal opinion on the matter just stated the FACTS!!!!! just because you don't like them doesn't cause any need to have a pop at me (pretty sure i'm not a part of the 54 associations that voted but there you go) i have never disputed that FIFA are corrupt in any way (and would like you to point out anything i've said to disupute that as you seem to think i've "Missed it") you inferred that all the euro nations would be livid, i merely pointed out that it doesn't appear to be the case. now, one thing YOU appear to have missed mate....whether you like it or not, WE cannot do anything about it whatsoever, absoltely nothing, nada,zilch,fuck all!!! you can whinge, whine like a little bitch as much as you like or think that having a peace march or creating a facebook page will do something but it won't. the only people that CAN do something about it are the TV companies (which Fox appear to be trying to) and the competing countries. it would appear the competing countries DON'T have that many objections to it, or certainly not the european ones as they have ALL agreed to it.you may want to note that FIFA give the square root of fuck all what YOU think or I think or what ANY of us think; they care about the monetary aspect and they care about whether the competing nations will all rise up against them which they're not. you are simply a member of the public and unfortunately whether it's right or wrong, your opinion means nothing in the grand scheme of things. it's about time you grew up and realised that (unless you wield some kind of power over football in this country that you're telling anyone about) Now,which part of that sentence are you struggling with? as per usual, people make their own assumptions (that the euro countries will be livid), are proved to be wrong and therefore ignore the post completely and resort to being patronising, self-superior knobheads simply because they can't come back on the actual post itself. pathetic! Well that certainly told me. Best keep me trap shut from now on then. But before I go, and as Paul Spencer said earlier on, actually take some time to carefully read the posts in the thread before you have a good go at people. This is the second time today that you've been asked to re-read the previous posts (and who you actually attribute them to), before you start calling people a knob head, patronising little bitch, cock. Millsy, if you do that i'll personally guarantee that you'll lose that "stupid tit who doesn't read the bloody posts properly" reputation in record time. Have you been on the piss or what son? Anyhow, i've had a really nice day so far today and you're certainly not going to spoil it. It's my youngest daughter's 9th birthday and co-incidentally my eldest daughter has also just jumped on board the Virgin train at Stoke Station with her bags and her books to start her new life and her English&Media degree at Goldsmiths College in London. So you've got me on a good day chief. Chill out a bit Millsy. i did read your posts ************** and you said the euro nations would be livid....i then posted the facts as reported that all 54 euro associations had voted in favour of a winter world cup, i didn't offer my opinion as to whether i thought they were right, wrong or indifferent yet you felt the need to then bring up what i'd "Missed" which was incorrect and nothing to do with the post that i replied to....it was YOU that questioned the relevance of whether or not other nations being upset was relevant and deicded they would be livid so if someone comes back proving that to be wrong how can you really have a problem with that? if you don't want people to bring you up on it then don't make sweeping statements that you have no clue on. not that difficult to work out is it?. therefore i fail to see the point of your previous post aimed at me where you decided to merely patronise and imply i'd "Missed" it that FIFA are corrupt without me at any point, anywhere disputing that and it having nothing to do with the post you made!! i don't need to chill out **************, i just get tired on any thread where people put points forward, are proved to be incorrect so just aim insults at people and completely ignore the post made as they have no answer to it. it's lazy, sad, unnecessary and, as usual, when they're pulled up on it they try to make out like it's someone else's fault because apparently they should just sit back and be patronised and accept it despite it being you that's wrong......just shows the average intellect of some on this board though unfortunately.unable to discuss rationally; just put their opinions forward as if they're gospel and if facts get in the way then just slag off the messenger!
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