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Post by Northy on Nov 13, 2014 15:39:42 GMT
Have lived in India and Bangladesh for over 2 years where corruption is endemic but have also personally known people who have worked in the FA. Those 'levels' you mention may take on a different forms, but they are still 'levels' and equally destructive. I am not saying it is the same everywhere, but its more universal than we are trying to paint it here imho. Ok I will be more precise: www.transparency.org/cpi2013/resultsMy company is an exporter and we use cpi all the time. Not interested in the FA, they are a bunch of dodgy idiots at best, just makes me smile how Russia and Qatar can be considered to be so 'honest' in their dealings by that bastion of sound ethical behaviour Snr Blatter. Funniest thing I have heard all day. Total farce. I was working in Paris last week, and saw a sign ' Import Export Fanny Look' I think they have cornered the market
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 13, 2014 17:56:37 GMT
If you watch the interview with Simon Johnson, who is described as the England bid boss it is obvious that he is trying cover up something dodgy. He is asked 3 times if he was aware of bribes from England to Warner and he doesn't deny it and avoids the question totally. He looks very uncomfortable. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30034298I wouldn't trust him as far as I could spit
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 14, 2014 1:20:40 GMT
Just WTF wasn't the summary of the report written by the person who wrote the report?
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Post by BuzzB on Nov 14, 2014 8:55:48 GMT
Just WTF wasn't the summary of the report written by the person who wrote the report? No, the summary was written by a FIFA "puppet".
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 14, 2014 12:51:52 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe on Nov 14, 2014 13:26:33 GMT
Most reports have an "executive" summary or similar, followed by the full details. An independent report ceases to be independent when someone else interferes.
Only the publication of the full uncensored, unadulterated report will suffice. Anything less smells of a cover up.
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Post by bazzaboy666 on Nov 14, 2014 13:40:54 GMT
I find the whole thing pretty pathetic. Millions upon millions of people dying each year through starvation/illness. Imagine the change we'd see if this much effort, time and money was invested in our childrens education, healthcare etc. Qatar and FIFA can just go and suck a nice fat cock for all I care.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 13:59:52 GMT
I find the whole thing pretty pathetic. Millions upon millions of people dying each year through starvation/illness. Imagine the change we'd see if this much effort, time and money was invested in our childrens education, healthcare etc. Qatar and FIFA can just go and suck a nice fat cock for all I care. i don't get this post...... FIFA have spent the time and money on it because it's a footballing matter and they're the officiating body with regards to Football. what have children's education or healthcare got to do with anything exactly? pretty sure that FIFA have no jurisdiction over that...are we supposed to just say "Sorry FIFA but because national governments aren't doing a good enough job on education or healthcare matters,you're therefore not allowed to investigate any matters that relate to football"? whether FIFA have acted properly or not in the report is kinda the point here really
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Post by bazzaboy666 on Nov 14, 2014 14:08:44 GMT
I find the whole thing pretty pathetic. Millions upon millions of people dying each year through starvation/illness. Imagine the change we'd see if this much effort, time and money was invested in our childrens education, healthcare etc. Qatar and FIFA can just go and suck a nice fat cock for all I care. i don't get this post...... FIFA have spent the time and money on it because it's a footballing matter and they're the officiating body with regards to Football. what have children's education or healthcare got to do with anything exactly? pretty sure that FIFA have no jurisdiction over that...are we supposed to just say "Sorry FIFA but because national governments aren't doing a good enough job on education or healthcare matters,you're therefore not allowed to investigate any matters that relate to football"? whether FIFA have acted properly or not in the report is kinda the point here really Do you even read bro? (and by bro I mean never my bro) The amount of energy and coverage this is getting is pathetic. /hippie free world message and dream.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 14:14:39 GMT
i don't get this post...... FIFA have spent the time and money on it because it's a footballing matter and they're the officiating body with regards to Football. what have children's education or healthcare got to do with anything exactly? pretty sure that FIFA have no jurisdiction over that...are we supposed to just say "Sorry FIFA but because national governments aren't doing a good enough job on education or healthcare matters,you're therefore not allowed to investigate any matters that relate to football"? whether FIFA have acted properly or not in the report is kinda the point here really Do you even read bro? (and by bro I mean never my bro) The amount of energy and coverage this is getting is pathetic. /hippie free world message and dream. again...so are the media supposed to decide and tell the public what they should or shouldn't be interested in now???? they cover the story because millions of people are interested in it, if they'd rather hear about education and healthcare (which are both covered in the media as well) then the media would run with that far more heavily but the fact is that most sports fans are more interested in this. maybe you should direct your faux, right on anger at the general public rather than the media for covering what the public want to know about and maybe you should toddle off to mumsnet instead of wasting all your energy on a footballing site if we've all got our priorities so wrong (or is it one rule for one and a different one for you?)
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Post by jbstokie on Nov 14, 2014 14:57:18 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 15, 2014 0:09:33 GMT
Time to go.....
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Post by greyman on Nov 16, 2014 10:48:41 GMT
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 16, 2014 10:52:49 GMT
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 16, 2014 10:53:36 GMT
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Post by greyman on Nov 16, 2014 11:04:53 GMT
It's a sign they are trying to force Blatter out. Until he goes, there's no way they can repair FIFA's image. It may already be too late.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 16, 2014 11:45:30 GMT
Replace Blatter with Platini. The words fire and frying pan spring to mind.
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Post by greyman on Nov 18, 2014 16:52:55 GMT
Replace Blatter with Platini. The words fire and frying pan spring to mind. True. Latest news - www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30103293Looks like they intend to sacrifice somebody to protect the organisation. I think they're genuinely feeling the pressure from countries like Germany and England now. Alternatively, they'll be going after somebody at the FA.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 18, 2014 16:54:46 GMT
Fifa lodges criminal complaint over World Cup hosting Fifa has lodged a criminal complaint to the Swiss attorney general in connection with the hosting rights of the 2018 and 2022 World Cups. The complaint relates to individuals connected with the bid process.Interesting.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 18, 2014 17:01:18 GMT
Replace Blatter with Platini. The words fire and frying pan spring to mind. True. Latest news - www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30103293Looks like they intend to sacrifice somebody to protect the organisation. I think they're genuinely feeling the pressure from countries like Germany and England now. Alternatively, they'll be going after somebody at the FA. My immediate thoughts were that having criticised the England bid in the summary someone at the FA would be the target. It's a risky ploy though because surely all the dirty linen would be aired including all the shit the Sunday Times has dug up that Garcia didn't even consider. Interesting times. Is it significant that it was lodged in Switzerland (other than FIFA's HQ is there)? Are Swiss Judges less averse to large well stuffed brown envelopes mysteriously appearing in their bank accounts?
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Post by Boothen on Nov 18, 2014 17:09:35 GMT
Replace Blatter with Platini. The words fire and frying pan spring to mind. Agree, Platini is just as bad.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 18, 2014 17:10:40 GMT
Replace Blatter with Platini. The words fire and frying pan spring to mind. True. Latest news - www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30103293Looks like they intend to sacrifice somebody to protect the organisation. I think they're genuinely feeling the pressure from countries like Germany and England now. Alternatively, they'll be going after somebody at the FA. More on Sky "The subject of the criminal complaint is the possible misconduct of individual persons in connection with the awarding of the hosting rights of the 2018 and 2022 World Cups. "In particular there seem to be grounds for suspicion that, in isolated cases, international transfers of assets with connections to Switzerland took place, which merit examination by the criminal prosecution authorities. "Unlike FIFA’s bodies, the Swiss criminal prosecution authorities have the ability to conduct investigations under application of criminal procedural coercive measures."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 17:21:31 GMT
True. Latest news - www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30103293Looks like they intend to sacrifice somebody to protect the organisation. I think they're genuinely feeling the pressure from countries like Germany and England now. Alternatively, they'll be going after somebody at the FA. My immediate thoughts were that having criticised the England bid in the summary someone at the FA would be the target. It's a risky ploy though because surely all the dirty linen would be aired including all the shit the Sunday Times has dug up that Garcia didn't even consider. Interesting times. Is it significant that it was lodged in Switzerland (other than FIFA's HQ is there)? Are Swiss Judges less averse to large well stuffed brown envelopes mysteriously appearing in their bank accounts? i don't think they would air any other dirty laundry. if the case was against the English FA then the evidence presented would be against the English FA..the FAs defence saying "Oh but you other countries did it as well" would be 100% irrelevant. it'd be like me committing a burglary and saying "But hang on your honour, x,y or z have also committed burglaries". they're not there to determine the wrong doing of other countries and compare and contrast them but simply to judge on the wrong doing of whoever is in the dock (as it were). the FA were criticised in the report and that was the right thing to do. by the looks of it they did act improperly and if we want to get rid of corruption then we have to accept that that might mean taking action against our own FA if they acted improperly..it isn't just about making sure we get FIFA and Blatter, whoever broke the rules deserves punishment including us and it would be massively hypocritical for us to not accept that.
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Post by greyman on Nov 18, 2014 17:28:14 GMT
My immediate thoughts were that having criticised the England bid in the summary someone at the FA would be the target. It's a risky ploy though because surely all the dirty linen would be aired including all the shit the Sunday Times has dug up that Garcia didn't even consider. Interesting times. Is it significant that it was lodged in Switzerland (other than FIFA's HQ is there)? Are Swiss Judges less averse to large well stuffed brown envelopes mysteriously appearing in their bank accounts? i don't think they would air any other dirty laundry. if the case was against the English FA then the evidence presented would be against the English FA..the FAs defence saying "Oh but you other countries did it as well" would be 100% irrelevant. it'd be like me committing a burglary and saying "But hang on your honour, x,y or z have also committed burglaries". they're not there to determine the wrong doing of other countries and compare and contrast them but simply to judge on the wrong doing of whoever is in the dock (as it were). the FA were criticised in the report and that was the right thing to do. by the looks of it they did act improperly and if we want to get rid of corruption then we have to accept that that might mean taking action against our own FA if they acted improperly..it isn't just about making sure we get FIFA and Blatter, whoever broke the rules deserves punishment including us and it would be massively hypocritical for us to not accept that. True, but it appears that they are going after the countries that gave them all the information they needed rather than those like Russia who left it near the dog's basket so it was eaten. One thing we know from experience is that when big organisations start to try to manage crises and information, they often make everything much worse. FIFA are already on that path.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 18, 2014 21:00:55 GMT
My immediate thoughts were that having criticised the England bid in the summary someone at the FA would be the target. It's a risky ploy though because surely all the dirty linen would be aired including all the shit the Sunday Times has dug up that Garcia didn't even consider. Interesting times. Is it significant that it was lodged in Switzerland (other than FIFA's HQ is there)? Are Swiss Judges less averse to large well stuffed brown envelopes mysteriously appearing in their bank accounts? i don't think they would air any other dirty laundry. if the case was against the English FA then the evidence presented would be against the English FA..the FAs defence saying "Oh but you other countries did it as well" would be 100% irrelevant. it'd be like me committing a burglary and saying "But hang on your honour, x,y or z have also committed burglaries". they're not there to determine the wrong doing of other countries and compare and contrast them but simply to judge on the wrong doing of whoever is in the dock (as it were). the FA were criticised in the report and that was the right thing to do. by the looks of it they did act improperly and if we want to get rid of corruption then we have to accept that that might mean taking action against our own FA if they acted improperly..it isn't just about making sure we get FIFA and Blatter, whoever broke the rules deserves punishment including us and it would be massively hypocritical for us to not accept that. Of course it would be relevant. If I was defending England's cause I'd be throwing as much shit as I could. England had to play the game that way because everyone else was. We didn't want to do it but it was the only way they could compete on a level playing field and we were so rubbish at it we only got one vote. Just think how much better at bribery than us the winning bid teams must have been. Honest M'lud. Trust me I'm English FIFA won't be able to risk all that shit coming out in Court. I suspect a couple of nomarks will be scapegoated so that Blatter can peacock around saying 'see we've sorted the corruption out. It was a minor issue the bids were perfectly ok. That will be several billion more Swiss Francs Shieky me old cocker'
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Post by lordb on Nov 18, 2014 22:36:07 GMT
I still think FIFA/Blatter are a long way from facing any court. Still we can dream...
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Post by 2004 on Nov 19, 2014 8:43:40 GMT
All so very dodgy
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Post by apb1 on Nov 19, 2014 8:50:36 GMT
If Europe splits and especially if it could persuade South America to back it up, then a breakaway would be fatal for FIFA. Unfortunately neither UEFA, or its member FAs if ours is anything to go by, would be much better.
Still it would be nice to see Blatter thwarted I guess.
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Post by enuntio on Nov 19, 2014 16:18:26 GMT
A split from FIFA is desperately overdue. A new regime (sounds ominous), new competitions, This isn't about England only hosting the World Cup just the once but about ending a gravy train. I
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 20, 2014 13:51:35 GMT
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