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Post by Maccca100 on Aug 17, 2013 20:09:50 GMT
So its the fault of Jon Walters that the other 9 outfield players have no interest in taking the penalties duty of him.
He must continue to take the pens until someone in the team has the confidence and balls to take it off him, until then crack on Jon
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Post by Maccca100 on Aug 17, 2013 20:10:59 GMT
Ricky lambert has scored 32/32 pens, could've done with him today :/ Sadly and just to help you out, he doesn't play for us and never has. RVP scored 2 goals today. could've done with him today
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Post by mattythestokie on Aug 17, 2013 20:14:03 GMT
I really hope he doesn't have Twitter, for his sake. The amount of abuse he would get is unthinkable.
It's a shame really. The work effort he puts in, and dedication for the team is second to none, and no one can argue with that. I just think that now, we are in need of that extra bit of quality to separate us from those teams around us. For the sake of something as simple as staying in this league!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2013 20:15:11 GMT
So its the fault of Jon Walters that the other 9 outfield players have no interest in taking the penalties duty of him. He must continue to take the pens until someone in the team has the confidence and balls to take it off him, until then crack on Jon If he is the designated penalty taker the job is his responsibility I would have thought, if that is the case we better fuckin designate it to someone who can actually hit a cows arse with a banjo, he is toss end of.
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Post by meirman61 on Aug 17, 2013 20:30:09 GMT
I like Walters & usually defend him till the tilt, every penalty but one that he crashed against the bar against chelsea has been hit to the keepers right, at least try to mix it up. Time for a new penalty taker, I'd give it Charlie Adam. How can Adam be the penalty taker he wont be on the pitch for most of them
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2013 20:41:43 GMT
I really hope he doesn't have Twitter, for his sake. The amount of abuse he would get is unthinkable. It's a shame really. The work effort he puts in, and dedication for the team is second to none, and no one can argue with that. I just think that now, we are in need of that extra bit of quality to separate us from those teams around us. For the sake of something as simple as staying in this league! It's a shame for him , he gets paid a massive wage for doing a job that no matter how hard he works he blatantly can not do consistently, Walters does not possess the quality required to be a Premiere league player let alone regular starter, it just goes to show how poorly Pulis invested the clubs money.
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Post by meirman61 on Aug 17, 2013 20:44:44 GMT
Perhaps tells us more about the rest of the team than Walters. I cant imagine many willing to take the step forward. What it will tell us now is about the management ! The manager can't force some-one to take penalties,if no one else as got the bollox to step up to the plate then what do you do,give it Adam or Wilson i've read on here but they cant take a penalty spending most of their time sitting on the bench
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 17, 2013 20:47:34 GMT
He spoilt my day! arggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Meirman I love ur avatar!!!!
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 17, 2013 20:52:08 GMT
You have to ask yourself why did no one so some leadership and take the penalty themselves??? Jones did! Walters essentially told him to fuck off! (words to that effect). Adam once offered last season at Wigan and Walters grabbed the ball for himself. It's selfish and is costing the team. No he did not. All Jones did was offer some words of advice/encouragement. No way were his actions of a man who wanted that penalty. Charlie Adam should have taken the penalty end of. Walters continues to cost Stoke City points and cup ties. Part of the £100million legacy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2013 20:52:17 GMT
He broke the basis professional code of team comes first a proper professional thing to do would be to step back for the sake of the team . Professionals are differentiated not by running but by delivery under pressure and he has consistently failed costing us a succession of points .
He hasn't practiced hard enough to eradicate the fault and is entirely accountable for a professional failure that cost us what could be a season defining Point
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Post by kev1060 on Aug 17, 2013 20:54:12 GMT
As well as today & Fulham & Chelski misses last season, I recall a similar miss at the Brit against West Brom when Ben Foster saved with his feet in exactly the same spot. The only time I can recall him placing his shot to the other side was against Norwich away 2 seasons ago. Ruddy saved by the way! It was just so disappointing today. An honourable draw would have made my working week much more bearable.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 17, 2013 20:56:36 GMT
Jones did! Walters essentially told him to fuck off! (words to that effect). Adam once offered last season at Wigan and Walters grabbed the ball for himself. It's selfish and is costing the team. No he did not. All Jones did was offer some words of advice/encouragement. No way were his actions of a man who wanted that penalty. Charlie Adam should have taken the penalty end of. Walters continues to cost Stoke City points and cup ties. Part of the £100million legacy. Completely disagree. Jones had a chance to prove something and he knew it. Arguably his last opportunity to give Hughes something to think about. Don't get me wrong Adam should take every penalty no question. Scored them all the time for Blackpool. Dont agree at all that Jones was merely offering "encouragement".
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Post by fortressbritannia on Aug 17, 2013 20:58:08 GMT
You have to ask yourself why did no one so some leadership and take the penalty themselves??? Jones did! Walters essentially told him to fuck off! (words to that effect). Adam once offered last season at Wigan and Walters grabbed the ball for himself. It's selfish and is costing the team. Somebody someone needs to grow bigger balls then. We've not got the likes of Delap, Higgy, Salif, Abdoulaye and Ric anymore big senior players who led from the front. But who are the senior players now? Obviously Shawcross and Huth are there but I wonder how much Huth actually 'leads' and Shawcross is still only 25, there's Whelan who can be a bit hot headed, Wilko isn't leadership material, Etherington possibly but again is he leadership material, Sorensen is definitely but isn't involved in the starting XI anymore and know he won't be apart from cup games. You'd have to say Walters is a senior player and a pretty senior one at that, he leads from the front and doesn't shirk responsibility which is admirable in a way. I'd go as far to say that in terms of seniority he's only trumped by Shawcross and is on level terms with Huth. It would be hard for Shawcross to topple Walters without the backing or even existence which is more to the point. Jones' rise of seniority has been prevented due to the disgraceful way he's been treated over the past 2 years. We've lost some real big powerful players and it's starting to show.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 17, 2013 20:59:45 GMT
No he did not. All Jones did was offer some words of advice/encouragement. No way were his actions of a man who wanted that penalty. Charlie Adam should have taken the penalty end of. Walters continues to cost Stoke City points and cup ties. Part of the £100million legacy. Completely disagree. Jones had a chance to prove something and he knew it. Arguably his last opportunity to give Hughes something to think about. Don't get me wrong Adam should take every penalty no question. Scored them all the time for Blackpool. Dont agree at all that Jones was merely offering "encouragement". When has Jones ever looked like wanting to take a penalty? Two people wanted the penalty, Walters and Adam. Adam strode forward looking for the ball but it was thrown to Walters.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 17, 2013 21:00:39 GMT
Jones did! Walters essentially told him to fuck off! (words to that effect). Adam once offered last season at Wigan and Walters grabbed the ball for himself. It's selfish and is costing the team. Somebody someone needs to grow bigger balls then. We've not got the likes of Delap, Higgy, Salif, Abdoulaye and Ric anymore big senior players who led from the front. But who are the senior players now? Obviously Shawcross and Huth are there but I wonder how much Huth actually 'leads' and Shawcross is still only 25, there's Whelan who can be a bit hot headed, Wilko isn't leadership material, Etherington possibly but again is he leadership material, Sorensen is definitely but isn't involved in the starting XI anymore and know he won't be apart from cup games. You'd have to say Walters is a senior player and a pretty senior one at that, he leads from the front and doesn't shirk responsibility which is admirable in a way. I'd go as far to say that in terms of seniority he's only trumped by Shawcross and is on level terms with Huth. It would be hard for Shawcross to topple Walters without the backing or even existence which is more to the point. Jones' rise of seniority has been prevented due to the disgraceful way he's been treated over the past 2 years. We've lost some real big powerful players and it's starting to show. I agree fortress chap and it's a real concern. Today we saw some great things. We also saw some (potentially) pretty worrying things.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2013 21:03:48 GMT
Oh for higgy or ric to step up today
Couldn't agree more about jones makes the crouch decision today odd
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 17, 2013 21:27:42 GMT
It seems his penalties are preordained to be keepers right. The opposition goal keeper knows it, the pundits know it .........pity Walters isn't bright enough to work out that pushy enthusiasm alone doesn't cut in the Premier League. A good striker needs to be quickly reactive to a changing situation, have good vision, good movement, skill ( preferably ), and an eye for goal.......Walters is poor in all these areas. He's Championship at best. Both him and Whelan need to go ...or at least be squad players only, they are not good enough and we need better. This begs the question why were they picked to start.......what about Adams and Muniesa..........why did TP buy loads of mid-fielders last season and we still look this poor!!?? Quite frankly it beggards belief I can only assume that MH thought that we needed a solid set-up with a defensive orientated mindset for this game. I can also only hope that he now sees the error in his judgement.
The Coates' family need to get off of the fence and put some more money into transfers..... pre-season implied this fact and todays performance confirmed it ........the Pulis legacy has quite obviously left us with a thread-bare squad.
NB all that said, I did think, we were much better than at any other time this year, a few improvements in personnel will hopefully solve the issues with scoring goals.
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Post by stantheman on Aug 17, 2013 21:33:40 GMT
Oh for higgy or ric to step up today Couldn't agree more about jones makes the crouch decision today odd Walters' first ever penalty was at West Brom when we won 3-0. Ethers had scored one penalty and then went off (with Ric) and we were awarded a 2nd penalty. Kenwynne went to pick the ball up and Walters beat him to it. Kenny wasn't to happy and made his feelings known, but Walters scored. At that point in time Ric would take penalties if he was fouled. After the match when asked about penalty takers, TP said that he would have loved to have seen Walters try to get the ball off Ric! Charlie Adam for me please.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2013 21:34:03 GMT
You have to ask yourself why did no one so some leadership and take the penalty themselves??? Jones did! Walters essentially told him to fuck off! (words to that effect). Adam once offered last season at Wigan and Walters grabbed the ball for himself. It's selfish and is costing the team. Never felt confident that he would put it away ...you just knew he was going to miss
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Post by cartman123 on Aug 17, 2013 21:45:20 GMT
Today Walters grabbed the ball before anyone so no one else had the chance to take it. I'd be shipping him out if I were manager.
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 17, 2013 21:47:41 GMT
Today Walters grabbed the ball before anyone so no one else had the chance to take it. I'd be shipping him out if I were manager. what about Crouch?
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Post by swampySCFC on Aug 17, 2013 21:51:51 GMT
He needs to have a word with himself ande give it up. Hes missed too many.
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Post by 1982stokie on Aug 17, 2013 21:52:40 GMT
Sadly I would have been surprised if he had scored his record is woeful
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 17, 2013 21:56:40 GMT
So its the fault of Jon Walters that the other 9 outfield players have no interest in taking the penalties duty of him. He must continue to take the pens until someone in the team has the confidence and balls to take it off him, until then crack on Jon I've read some bollocks on this board but that takes the biscuit!
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Post by alster on Aug 17, 2013 21:58:01 GMT
Today Walters grabbed the ball before anyone so no one else had the chance to take it. I'd be shipping him out if I were manager. what about Crouch? Yeah I'd ship them both out ASAP. Adam/Wilson/Huth to take peno's for me.
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Post by chattyladypotter on Aug 17, 2013 21:58:41 GMT
We need a new penalty taker SJW simply not good enough
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Post by swampySCFC on Aug 17, 2013 22:02:12 GMT
I'd rather see Huth come and smash the fucker. But Jon needs to step down.
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Post by alster on Aug 17, 2013 22:05:56 GMT
I'd rather see Huth come and smash the fucker. But Jon needs to step down. Exactly he might miss one or two but I would not forsee many getting saved. When he hits them they stay hit.
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Post by mailman44 on Aug 17, 2013 22:06:39 GMT
It was near the corner....a bloody good save![/quote Uh ... No it wasn't ...
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Post by mailman44 on Aug 17, 2013 22:48:39 GMT
So its the fault of Jon Walters that the other 9 outfield players have no interest in taking the penalties duty of him. He must continue to take the pens until someone in the team has the confidence and balls to take it off him, until then crack on Jon Are you his mom? Seriously.
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