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Post by rosso on Aug 17, 2013 16:06:03 GMT
Walters was the only striker in our side who looked like scoring its been the same all pre season too
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Post by fortressbritannia on Aug 17, 2013 16:15:17 GMT
I'm guessing like last season, the players decide amongst themselves??? So I'm guessing that nobody has properly had the bollocks to stand up and say 'no I'm going to take the penalties from now on'. Judging by the line up today Adam isn't a preferred starter, so we are looking at (in my opinion) Whelan or Wilson as the only real genuine options. I can't see who else has the technique and/or the nerve to step up.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 17, 2013 16:24:14 GMT
Fuck me it goes in and he's a God!! He missed no it was saved and he's talked about like the worst player to grace football, it's a joke!! He's done a lot more for this club than most the over payed,lazy wankers on show today. There are six players that played today worth keeping. Bego,shawcross,Huth,nzonzi,Adam and Walters. The rest of them are the ones you should be on at!! Get real!!! I don't agree with all your conclusions about individual players,aasc, but I completely agree with you about Jon Walters, and I disagree with many of the comments on this thread about him. I'm glad the new management team started him today and played him for 90 mins. just as the previous regime would have done. I think JW is one of those players whom the football professionals rate much higher than some fans. Who takes penalties should be a decision of the manager. I never liked TP's suggestion that he didn't mind who took penalties. You need a player with the bottle to do it, particularly in a situation like today, who wants to do it, and who will convert a decent percentage. People on this thread have suggested other names, but none of us know if any of those players meet those criteria. But it's the responsibility of the team management to know this, and take the decision. It's unfair in my view to blame Walters for not stepping down. That decision shouldn't be his responsibility. On the contrary I praise him for having the guts to offer himself. Hopefully the team management will now take an informed and considered decision on who takes the next one.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 17, 2013 16:28:40 GMT
Walters had a good game today and I don't like him.
However, he has cost us points again with a shocking penalty which was telegraphed beyond belief and showed absolutely no composure whatsoever.
Unless it's a shootout, where we need 5 penalty takers, Jon Walters shouldn't take another penalty again. He has missed far too many and cost us too many points doing so.
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Post by bristolpotter123 on Aug 17, 2013 16:56:42 GMT
Very average at best 1 shot on target plus a scuffed penalty , not good enough . Compare with his opposite numbers on the Liverpool side Aspas or Coutinho. What they cost is irrelevant its the quality and pace that counts . I f you want to play in the premiership and get into the top ten you must spend if not why not say so and anyway its not Coates's money , its either a clever tax dodge by Bet 365 or from Sky. Maybe a bit harsh but I am disappointed that despite circumspection by Hughes which is marginally understandable after QPR. we are again starting a season knowing that we can't score enough and any new player will not have the benefit of a good pre season with the squad . Just doesn't make sense unless all the new money is being used elsewhere.
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Post by onionman on Aug 17, 2013 17:00:06 GMT
That was a crossroads for Jon today.
He scores that, and he could be Hughes's man, the guy who got him his first good result for the club in really tense, backs to the wall, circumstances.
He misses and he's the bloke that ruined Hughes's chances of a great start.
Possibly a blessing in disguise that he missed, and I say that as a Walters fan - his penalty against QPR was probably the high point of our 2013 so far.
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Post by primmerz on Aug 17, 2013 17:05:22 GMT
It was obvious which way Walters was putting that pen, the same way he always goes with his hit and hope tactic. Adam or Huth should be taking pens not someone who goes the same direction constantly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2013 17:06:11 GMT
Walters did not have anything but a disgraceful game he failed to prepare properly out himself in front of the team , has an appalling penalty record and is the only reason we didn't get a point it's a professional sport and he s guilty of grossly unprofessional behaviour of a totally unacceptable level . Some pathetic very onion desire to score at anfield overtaking the good of the group and let's be clear he missed te age changing chance her in te cup My only concern are the platitudes from Bowen works hard etc etc needs moving out and now
Lambert 32 pens 32 goals that's professionalism
Walters for all his running was an utter disgrace today and needs dealing with accordingly as it cannot be allowed to happen again
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 17, 2013 17:11:21 GMT
He should never play for this club again. Simple.
We could get 500k for him from a Championship club. Take the money and run.
We will never progress with him in the squad, never mind the team.
He was completely out of his depth again today and gave absolutely no support to Crouch who has at least proven himself at this level.
The Penalty was embarrassing but totally predictable.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 17, 2013 17:17:52 GMT
A GOLDEN chance to grab a point at the death (and arguably one we deserved) - and he blows it. We all knew he would, unfortunately - thanks Jonny.
Sorry but the result is everything despite trying to draw positives from this game......
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 17, 2013 17:19:48 GMT
New Season...New Manager....Some things will never change!
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 17, 2013 17:23:47 GMT
New Season...New Manager....Some things will never change! missing penalties do you mean???
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 17, 2013 17:30:28 GMT
A GOLDEN chance to grab a point at the death (and arguably one we deserved) - and he blows it. We all knew he would, unfortunately - thanks Jonny. Sorry but the result is everything despite trying to draw positives from this game...... I said before he took it he'd miss. Give the ball to Adam ffs!
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Post by steakandchips on Aug 17, 2013 17:33:21 GMT
He should have been fucked off to the Vale after this! Never a Premier League striker, sooner he's gone the better.
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 17, 2013 17:33:40 GMT
Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 17, 2013 18:11:49 GMT
New Season...New Manager....Some things will never change! missing penalties do you mean??? Super Jon & Penalties...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2013 18:25:03 GMT
It was a scuffed shot, but still, I think everyone knew what was going to be the outcome.
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Post by jarvinski on Aug 17, 2013 18:29:31 GMT
Fuck him right off
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2013 18:29:46 GMT
That should be his last penalty in a Stoke shirt. I would have thought the decision on the takers should be made once the starting eleven have been chosen and then there should be an order in case 1 or other is substituted
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2013 18:31:24 GMT
I like Jon, he still has a role for us (all be it he shouldn't be playing every game) but why an earth is he still taking the pens after last seasons missed pens?! Cost us to many points from the spot. I really hope this one is the final straw in terms of taking pens
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 17, 2013 18:31:39 GMT
Yeah should never be starting games at this level with any regularity let alone taking the penalties. Thought apart from his good attempt in the first half he was fucking awful. Offered no creativity, no pace and was hopeless in front of goal as usual.
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Post by cartman123 on Aug 17, 2013 18:31:57 GMT
A good game I hear some say? A fucking good game? He was dreadful. Way out of his depth. I said this though didn't I? I pray we bring in a striker and winger before the window closes. I think it'll be the difference between a top 10 finish and a relegation battle.
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Post by brumstokie on Aug 17, 2013 18:49:50 GMT
1st mistake by LMH as Stoke manager - he should have changed the penalty taker when he saw SJW's record.
However he can now correct the error by using the miss to change pen taker.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2013 19:14:12 GMT
1st mistake by LMH as Stoke manager - he should have changed the penalty taker when he saw SJW's record. However he can now correct the error by using the miss to change pen taker. First mistake by Hughes naming Walters in the starting line up, second letting the cock take the penalty and third mistake leaving the donkey on all game, Walters has got to be one if not the worst striker in the Premiere league at this present time, I honestly believe that he would not get into any other starting line up in this league. He is a shit striker, shit penalty taker, shit winger, shit defender overall shit footballer who apparently gets into our team because he runs about a lot, is that really good enough to justify his inclusion in our starting line up ?, we need better than the likes of Jon (runs about a lot) Walters if we are to have any chance this season.
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Aug 17, 2013 19:15:37 GMT
I like Walters & usually defend him till the tilt, every penalty but one that he crashed against the bar against chelsea has been hit to the keepers right, at least try to mix it up. Time for a new penalty taker, I'd give it Charlie Adam. Your support is commendable but how can you defend the indefensable? I'm sick of saying it but Walters is like a dog with a balloon. How he manages to make a living as a Premier League footballer is one of those questions I will never understand the answer to, rather like why do some people put a picture of what they've had for tea on Facespace or whatever it's called, or why would anyone want to play golf? It's just another of life's mysteries.
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Post by mrred on Aug 17, 2013 19:25:59 GMT
I don't understand the media love in for Mingiolet (sp?) when anyone with 2 minutes to spare could find out that Walters always hits penalties to the bottom fucking left. Absolutely shite penalty taker,
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Post by adi on Aug 17, 2013 19:39:57 GMT
Ricky lambert has scored 32/32 pens, could've done with him today :/
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Post by dbstoke on Aug 17, 2013 19:50:25 GMT
Walters was the only striker in our side who looked like scoring its been the same all pre season too Hahahahaha! Were you at the game?
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Post by fortressbritannia on Aug 17, 2013 20:06:01 GMT
You have to ask yourself why did no one so some leadership and take the penalty themselves???
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 17, 2013 20:09:32 GMT
You have to ask yourself why did no one so some leadership and take the penalty themselves??? Jones did! Walters essentially told him to fuck off! (words to that effect). Adam once offered last season at Wigan and Walters grabbed the ball for himself. It's selfish and is costing the team.
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