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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 17, 2013 17:24:47 GMT
I suppose a 93% pass accuracy is not good enough in the new era. It's his mobility that is the biggest issue for me. He can pass but he can't run.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2013 17:24:57 GMT
Maybe but I think Cameron would excel at DM. And if there's no money for a right back then I think Wilson is the most suited out of the ones we have to play the role Hughes wants from them. Because like I've said in this game and Genoa the right back has seen a hell of a lot of the ball and Cameron isn't good enough on it to play as a semi-play maker which against Genoa was what he was trying to do. In DM though he can win the ball, pass it short and hold the position (hopefully ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) ). We need someone to protect the back 4 a bit better after today. I agree with your assessment of his attributes making a good DM but the one thing I'd worry about still is his apparent lack of footballing intelligence or positional discipline. I'm yet to see him in a position that makes me see what some rave about so hopefully DM could be the one. I'm not holding my breath though, mate. It is a worry but the few times he played there for us I was impressed with him. Equally from what I've seen of Muniesa I think he'd excel there too. I know we want players there who have played there but he does read the game excellently and his ability to intercept (from the friendlies) was second to none. Out of all of the players we have, they are the two I'd consider.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 17, 2013 17:27:25 GMT
I agree with your assessment of his attributes making a good DM but the one thing I'd worry about still is his apparent lack of footballing intelligence or positional discipline. I'm yet to see him in a position that makes me see what some rave about so hopefully DM could be the one. I'm not holding my breath though, mate. It is a worry but the few times he played there for us I was impressed with him. Equally from what I've seen of Muniesa I think he'd excel there too. I know we want players there who have played there but he does read the game excellently and his ability to intercept (from the friendlies) was second to none. Out of all of the players we have, they are the two I'd consider. Muniesa looks very composed and appears to be an intelligent footballer from the bits I've seen. I haven't seen him defend that much but for him to be called the next "Puyol" in Spain a while back must mean he likes to get stuck in you'd think?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2013 17:28:48 GMT
I commented to the old bloke by my side how suspect we looked from set pieces today. That was unusual but the introduction of Pieters and Cameron instead of Wilson and Wilko has taken some height from our back 4. We looked suspect off set pieces during the 2nd half of last season as well. Hopefully it was simply the quality of the delivery. Gerrard was crap today but his dead balls, from free kicks and corners were deadly accurate and delivered at great pace. One thing that hasn't been commented on was that in fairness, as much as I despise the Scouse bastards, that is probably the best Liverpool have played against us by some distance. I thought Johnson in particular and Sturridge especially looked real class acts, opening up the pitch at will whilst Lucas looked a real calm, rock solid performer who gave them a platform to play from. I don't know Dave, Cameron is built like a storm trooper like Ryan and Huth and has to be 6ft 3" at least and Pieters is a 6 footer too so it shouldn't have made that much of a difference. The delivery was good. But it's another negative I can live with for now because it can be seen early and remedied on the training ground. That Coutinho is excellent and we gave him too much time and space and he killed us, Sturridge too was class and we did the same with him.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 17, 2013 17:29:12 GMT
Maybe Muniesa is the answer at the base of our new 3 man midfield?
Time will tell. I'm confident we will get better as the season goes on, particularly with some new forward players.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2013 17:29:37 GMT
It is a worry but the few times he played there for us I was impressed with him. Equally from what I've seen of Muniesa I think he'd excel there too. I know we want players there who have played there but he does read the game excellently and his ability to intercept (from the friendlies) was second to none. Out of all of the players we have, they are the two I'd consider. Muniesa looks very composed and appears to be an intelligent footballer from the bits I've seen. I haven't seen him defend that much but for him to be called the next "Puyol" in Spain a while back must mean he likes to get stuck in you'd think? I can only comment from the friendlies Jamo but he looked like he didn't mind a challenge at all, which was very pleasing to see.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2013 17:29:38 GMT
It is a worry but the few times he played there for us I was impressed with him. Equally from what I've seen of Muniesa I think he'd excel there too. I know we want players there who have played there but he does read the game excellently and his ability to intercept (from the friendlies) was second to none. Out of all of the players we have, they are the two I'd consider. Muniesa looks very composed and appears to be an intelligent footballer from the bits I've seen. I haven't seen him defend that much but for him to be called the next "Puyol" in Spain a while back must mean he likes to get stuck in you'd think? I thought he played very well in the US and is deffo an option. When we played with a back 3 he was on the left and did very well.
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Post by Bick on Aug 17, 2013 17:31:31 GMT
I can't believe what I am reading!
I was in the corporate end with the Liverpool fans. Myself together with my brother were talking to them who were all praising how good he was. He was outstanding and composed!
Whelan on the pitch however?! I hope I never see it again!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2013 17:37:29 GMT
I'd have enjoyed his performance today if I was a Liverpool fan tbf!
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 17, 2013 17:41:31 GMT
What would you swap Wilson and Cameron for... Swap them around, Wilson to right back and Cameron in the midfield to protect the back 4. Now I do agree with that. ![(thumbsup)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/q4Mqf5MqRwT9PY8UitYa.gif)
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Post by lee1982 on Aug 17, 2013 18:12:01 GMT
He's not a midfielder, he's not mobile enough, quick enough or skilful enough. He's a left back that one day could be a centre back. Hailing him as the second coming in midfield is the kind of crap the Pulis out brigade couldn't stop spouting last season. onewaynebiggins Hes not a left back. He played there and did a decent job but he is not a left back. Football is a simple game made complicated by fools so why stick a right footed player at left back? Lets keep it simple if anything given his displays at leftback he would/could surely make the same impression on his favoured right foot at right back. Saying that he hasnt been given long enough in his preferred position as a centre midfielder for me to form an opinion of him there. Although we seem to have a large contingent of fans who like to write players off having seen very little of them. Even today our dutch international left back isnt good enough based on a few friendlys and his first competitive premier league game away at Anfield! Not the easiest place to make your debut im sure youd agree.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2013 18:25:56 GMT
Can't believe he played Wilson instead of Adam, should of started Pennant and Adam.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 17, 2013 18:27:59 GMT
There were 4 or 5 worse performances than Wilson out there today, give the bloke a break.
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Post by fazza90 on Aug 17, 2013 18:49:21 GMT
Wilson didn't have a stand out awful performance, but his acceleration and lack of mobility were obvious, if we're going to be an established mid-table team we need to have someone with his passing ability but more mobile.
Although Adam is also slow, his vision, creative spark and aggression makes him a better choice of a centre mid for me.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 17, 2013 18:53:05 GMT
There were 4 or 5 worse performances than Wilson out there today, give the bloke a break. This. We have far bigger problems than Marc Wilson. Start with getting rid of the likes of Etherington, Walters and Crouch and replace them with a mobile striker and one or two pacey/creative inside forwards and we are well on our way to having a successful season. If we don't we struggle massively. Wilson is Wilson. A decent enough footballer whether played at full back or in the middle. Certainly doesn't deserved to be singled out when its clear there were plenty of others who were far worse and are far worse.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2013 18:56:44 GMT
There were 4 or 5 worse performances than Wilson out there today, give the bloke a break. This. We have far bigger problems than Marc Wilson. Start with getting rid of the likes of Etherington, Walters and Crouch and replace them with a mobile striker and one or two pacey/creative inside forwards and we are well on our way to having a successful season. If we don't we struggle massively. Wilson is Wilson. A decent enough footballer whether played at full back or in the middle. Certainly doesn't deserved to be singled out when its clear there were plenty of others who were far worse and are far worse. I agree there are others that need replacing well ahead of Wilson but I do think he was the worst player for us today, so this thread was inevitable. Especially when there's a few of us who really aren't convinced with him in midfield anyway.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 17, 2013 18:59:37 GMT
This. We have far bigger problems than Marc Wilson. Start with getting rid of the likes of Etherington, Walters and Crouch and replace them with a mobile striker and one or two pacey/creative inside forwards and we are well on our way to having a successful season. If we don't we struggle massively. Wilson is Wilson. A decent enough footballer whether played at full back or in the middle. Certainly doesn't deserved to be singled out when its clear there were plenty of others who were far worse and are far worse. I agree there are others that need replacing well ahead of Wilson but I do think he was the worst player for us today, so this thread was inevitable. Especially when there's a few of us who really aren't convinced with him in midfield anyway. Give me one valid, coherent reason as to how Etherington was better than Wilson today? Same can be said re Walters. He was absolutely hopeless.
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Post by jonnybravo on Aug 17, 2013 19:02:45 GMT
Guilty
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2013 19:03:31 GMT
I agree there are others that need replacing well ahead of Wilson but I do think he was the worst player for us today, so this thread was inevitable. Especially when there's a few of us who really aren't convinced with him in midfield anyway. Give me one valid, coherent reason as to how Etherington was better than Wilson today? Same can be said re Walters. He was absolutely hopeless. Ethers was poor but he was steadily poor, there was no real massively shit moments. Wilson had a few that led to Liverpool being in on our goal. He was just shocking. Ethers merely poor. Both should have been subbed.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 17, 2013 19:53:42 GMT
Give me one valid, coherent reason as to how Etherington was better than Wilson today? Same can be said re Walters. He was absolutely hopeless. Ethers was poor but he was steadily poor, there was no real massively shit moments. Wilson had a few that led to Liverpool being in on our goal. He was just shocking. Ethers merely poor. Both should have been subbed. Fair enough chap
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Post by vahl on Aug 17, 2013 19:57:13 GMT
I'm still not sure why Wilson & Cameron didn't change positions. It seems a no-brainer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2013 23:34:51 GMT
Didn't look good at all. We need to move four or five on and replace them with better. I am sure Hughes has already realised this!
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Post by metalhead on Aug 18, 2013 0:33:26 GMT
I suppose a 93% pass accuracy is not good enough in the new era. It's his mobility that is the biggest issue for me. He can pass but he can't run. My issue with him was that he seemed to drift in and out the game. It passed him by. I think we're picking fault on unfit players though, so let's stay positive for next week.
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