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Post by metalhead on Aug 17, 2013 15:07:23 GMT
Thought he was dreadful today. He really looked so poor when he was involved, and let's be honest, that was rarely. The game seemed to drift by him and he was just so poor on the day.
Perhaps we've bigged him up to something he's not!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2013 15:25:11 GMT
Not sure about Wilson, another who looks out of his depth!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2013 15:31:06 GMT
Did anyone else think he looked really skinny too? He looked like he'd lost a shit load of weight.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 17, 2013 16:49:43 GMT
I thought Wilson had a good game. I'm not quite sure what people want or expect at times.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2013 16:51:11 GMT
I thought Wilson had a good game. I'm not quite sure what people want or expect at times. He kept turning into trouble, was caught out on the ball a few times, looked slow physically and mentally, gave the ball away on numerous occasions and I didn't even notice he was on the pitch in the first half. He was awful.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 17, 2013 16:54:33 GMT
In the first half, I felt that someone wasn't doing their job and it meant they kept picking up pockets of space in between the midfield and centre halves, particularly Sturridge. He scored as a result as well.
I couldn't work out who it was in fairness so if it was Wilson, fair enough.
However, whilst he nearly got caught out a couple of times, he generally got himself out of trouble. He gave me a heart attack but he didn't do a lot wrong for me.
I am no fan of Wilson and don't think he will make it as a midfield player, but today, he had a decent game. I thought the bulk of the team on show played pretty well today. Some were excellent.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2013 16:55:41 GMT
I thought Wilson had a good game. I'm not quite sure what people want or expect at times. He kept turning into trouble, was caught out on the ball a few times, looked slow physically and mentally, gave the ball away on numerous occasions and I didn't even notice he was on the pitch in the first half. He was awful. Yep awful was how I would describe him today.
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 17, 2013 16:55:52 GMT
I thought Wilson had a good game. I'm not quite sure what people want or expect at times. He kept turning into trouble, was caught out on the ball a few times, looked slow physically and mentally, gave the ball away on numerous occasions and I didn't even notice he was on the pitch in the first half. He was awful. But you thought that before so...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2013 16:57:30 GMT
We're going to agree much today I think Dave. I thought out of the starters the 'keeper, N'Zonzi and the centre halves are the only ones to come out of it with credit. The subs made a decent impression too.
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Post by howedy on Aug 17, 2013 16:58:43 GMT
I would give him a couple of games to adapt to the position again. If he cant hack it after that then make the change. Hes obviously got some ability and talent
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2013 17:00:26 GMT
He kept turning into trouble, was caught out on the ball a few times, looked slow physically and mentally, gave the ball away on numerous occasions and I didn't even notice he was on the pitch in the first half. He was awful. But you thought that before so... I was right! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) Tbh after the Genoa game where he looked tidy in there I was expecting a bit better from him but he was just dreadful and just play how I remember him in the middle. He did it all. The turns that he can't get away with in the congested midfield and the dawdling on the ball (not helped by fuck all movement tbf to him) but he was just shocking. I'd swap him and Cameron.
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Post by AlanHansen on Aug 17, 2013 17:01:45 GMT
But you thought that before so... I was right! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) Tbh after the Genoa game where he looked tidy in there I was expecting a bit better from him but he was just dreadful and just play how I remember him in the middle. He did it all. The turns that he can't get away with in the congested midfield and the dawdling on the ball (not helped by fuck all movement tbf to him) but he was just shocking. I'd swap him and Cameron. What would you swap Wilson and Cameron for...
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 17, 2013 17:06:00 GMT
Bayern...The 3 players I dislike the most all did OK in my opinion.
Wilson did a decent job for me, Cameron was pretty good for the most part with a couple of usual disappearing acts and he definitely offered us something with the ball and Walters had a really decent game up until the 88th minute where he once again missed a penalty with yet another lousy penalty.
Our goalkeeper was superb as were our two centre halves. N'zonzi was a class act for us and the two around him did what they had to do. Pieters looked good 1 v 1 but seemed to switch off to runners, particularly 1st half (he got much more solid 2nd half).
The 4-3 part of our 4-3-3 were pretty useful for the most part but the front 3, even though Walters was half decent, didn't really do enough to make us as fluid as we needed to be. In fact, much of our shape issues came as a result of the front 3 not doing their jobs.
If we are going to pass the ball, we need players to move. If we are going to do that and continue to look solid, we need our forwards to be mobile and to help us keep the ball for longer. They didn't do it and didn't look like doing it.
Liverpool looked most dangerous when we had committed men forward and then broke after nicking the ball off one of Walters, Crouch or Etherington.
Much to improve on but plenty of positives as well.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2013 17:06:07 GMT
I was right! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) Tbh after the Genoa game where he looked tidy in there I was expecting a bit better from him but he was just dreadful and just play how I remember him in the middle. He did it all. The turns that he can't get away with in the congested midfield and the dawdling on the ball (not helped by fuck all movement tbf to him) but he was just shocking. I'd swap him and Cameron. What would you swap Wilson and Cameron for... Swap them around, Wilson to right back and Cameron in the midfield to protect the back 4. I thought right back was a problem today and protecting the back 4 was too. I think swapping them would help to solve that. Hughes is asking a lot of Cameron at right back. Against Genoa he saw a lot of the ball and today at one point he had the second most touches of a Stoke player. I like Geoff but he shouldn't be trusted with a football for the amount of time we're giving it him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2013 17:09:42 GMT
Bayern...The 3 players I dislike the most all did OK in my opinion. Wilson did a decent job for me, Cameron was pretty good for the most part with a couple of usual disappearing acts and he definitely offered us something with the ball and Walters had a really decent game up until the 88th minute where he once again missed a penalty with yet another lousy penalty. Our goalkeeper was superb as were our two centre halves. N'zonzi was a class act for us and the two around him did what they had to do. Pieters looked good 1 v 1 but seemed to switch off to runners, particularly 1st half (he got much more solid 2nd half). The 4-3 part of our 4-3-3 were pretty useful for the most part but the front 3, even though Walters was half decent, didn't really do enough to make us as fluid as we needed to be. In fact, much of our shape issues came as a result of the front 3 not doing their jobs. If we are going to pass the ball, we need players to move. If we are going to do that and continue to look solid, we need our forwards to be mobile and to help us keep the ball for longer. They didn't do it and didn't look like doing it. Liverpool looked most dangerous when we had committed men forward and then broke after nicking the ball off one of Walters, Crouch or Etherington. Much to improve on but plenty of positives as well. I really like Cameron but I thought he was bloody awful today! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) Both full backs were though and were one of the main reasons we were cut open so often and so easily. The lack of movement is a massive issue though as You say and that needs to change. There are positives and there are negatives and I think the negatives just outweigh the positives. But with a bit of tinkering and 2/3 new players I can see us being a very decent outfit. I just wasn't too enamoured with individual performances today it has to be said.
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 17, 2013 17:10:28 GMT
Must of seen a different game.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 17, 2013 17:11:00 GMT
What would you swap Wilson and Cameron for... Swap them around, Wilson to right back and Cameron in the midfield to protect the back 4. I thought right back was a problem today and protecting the back 4 was too. I think swapping them would help to solve that. Hughes is asking a lot of Cameron at right back. Against Genoa he saw a lot of the ball and today at one point he had the second most touches of a Stoke player. I like Geoff but he shouldn't be trusted with a football for the amount of time we're giving it him. Or just buy a right back and play neither of them....
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 17, 2013 17:12:55 GMT
Whereas I think the positives outweigh the negatives, Bayern.
We had more genuine chances today than we have had in 5 seasons combined at Anfield and we tried to contribute to the game rather than destroy it.
We could have got thumped just as easily as we could have got a draw and in that sense it wasn't that different to previous seasons. I know which games I enjoyed more though?
Today's 1-0 defeat was a much more enjoyable performance than last season's 0-0 snore fest and gives me more hope of a decent season ahead.
Early days, but next week's game against Palace is a very big one for us.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2013 17:14:17 GMT
Swap them around, Wilson to right back and Cameron in the midfield to protect the back 4. I thought right back was a problem today and protecting the back 4 was too. I think swapping them would help to solve that. Hughes is asking a lot of Cameron at right back. Against Genoa he saw a lot of the ball and today at one point he had the second most touches of a Stoke player. I like Geoff but he shouldn't be trusted with a football for the amount of time we're giving it him. Or just buy a right back and play neither of them.... Maybe but I think Cameron would excel at DM. And if there's no money for a right back then I think Wilson is the most suited out of the ones we have to play the role Hughes wants from them. Because like I've said in this game and Genoa the right back has seen a hell of a lot of the ball and Cameron isn't good enough on it to play as a semi-play maker which against Genoa was what he was trying to do. In DM though he can win the ball, pass it short and hold the position (hopefully ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) ). We need someone to protect the back 4 a bit better after today.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 17, 2013 17:14:20 GMT
What would you swap Wilson and Cameron for... Swap them around, Wilson to right back and Cameron in the midfield to protect the back 4. I thought right back was a problem today and protecting the back 4 was too. I think swapping them would help to solve that. Hughes is asking a lot of Cameron at right back. Against Genoa he saw a lot of the ball and today at one point he had the second most touches of a Stoke player. I like Geoff but he shouldn't be trusted with a football for the amount of time we're giving it him. I thought Wilson did Ok today but yeah your spot on with this, Wilsons best position is right back and Cameron's is holding midfielder.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 17, 2013 17:14:32 GMT
Bayern...The 3 players I dislike the most all did OK in my opinion. Wilson did a decent job for me, Cameron was pretty good for the most part with a couple of usual disappearing acts and he definitely offered us something with the ball and Walters had a really decent game up until the 88th minute where he once again missed a penalty with yet another lousy penalty. Our goalkeeper was superb as were our two centre halves. N'zonzi was a class act for us and the two around him did what they had to do. Pieters looked good 1 v 1 but seemed to switch off to runners, particularly 1st half (he got much more solid 2nd half). The 4-3 part of our 4-3-3 were pretty useful for the most part but the front 3, even though Walters was half decent, didn't really do enough to make us as fluid as we needed to be. In fact, much of our shape issues came as a result of the front 3 not doing their jobs. If we are going to pass the ball, we need players to move. If we are going to do that and continue to look solid, we need our forwards to be mobile and to help us keep the ball for longer. They didn't do it and didn't look like doing it. Liverpool looked most dangerous when we had committed men forward and then broke after nicking the ball off one of Walters, Crouch or Etherington. Much to improve on but plenty of positives as well. Cameron was by far our worst player closely followed by Pieters who had a shocker first half but did improve as the game went on. Like I keep saying, we're 2 or 3 QUALITY players away from being decent. We looked OK second half, especially when Adam came on.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2013 17:16:23 GMT
Whereas I think the positives outweigh the negatives, Bayern. We had more genuine chances today than we have had in 5 seasons combined at Anfield and we tried to contribute to the game rather than destroy it. We could have got thumped just as easily as we could have got a draw and in that sense it wasn't that different to previous seasons. I know which games I enjoyed more though? Today's 1-0 defeat was a much more enjoyable performance than last season's 0-0 snore fest and gives me more hope of a decent season ahead. Early days, but next week's game against Palace is a very big one for us. I agree with the positives Dave. The defending worried me though, even from set pieces we looked suspect. We need to close the spaces down and that should sort the other issues out. It's a decent base to build on but I think we need to reign it in a touch, only a touch though!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 17, 2013 17:18:47 GMT
Or just buy a right back and play neither of them.... Maybe but I think Cameron would excel at DM. And if there's no money for a right back then I think Wilson is the most suited out of the ones we have to play the role Hughes wants from them. Because like I've said in this game and Genoa the right back has seen a hell of a lot of the ball and Cameron isn't good enough on it to play as a semi-play maker which against Genoa was what he was trying to do. In DM though he can win the ball, pass it short and hold the position (hopefully ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) ). We need someone to protect the back 4 a bit better after today. I agree with your assessment of his attributes making a good DM but the one thing I'd worry about still is his apparent lack of footballing intelligence or positional discipline. I'm yet to see him in a position that makes me see what some rave about so hopefully DM could be the one. I'm not holding my breath though, mate.
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Post by steakandchips on Aug 17, 2013 17:19:27 GMT
Easy 'problem' to fix, simply swap GCam & Wilson around. (Ideally we'd buy an actual RB, however, I'd rather spend the money on our toothless forward line)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2013 17:19:47 GMT
"Cameron was by far our worst player closely followed by Pieters who had a shocker first half but did improve as the game went on"
I thought Geoff was OK no way was he the worst today, I agree Eric had a torid first 25min but got better but Marc Wilsom was my worst of the day by a long way too.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 17, 2013 17:22:04 GMT
I commented to the old bloke by my side how suspect we looked from set pieces today. That was unusual but the introduction of Pieters and Cameron instead of Wilson and Wilko has taken some height from our back 4. We looked suspect off set pieces during the 2nd half of last season as well.
Hopefully it was simply the quality of the delivery. Gerrard was crap today but his dead balls, from free kicks and corners were deadly accurate and delivered at great pace.
One thing that hasn't been commented on was that in fairness, as much as I despise the Scouse bastards, that is probably the best Liverpool have played against us by some distance. I thought Johnson in particular and Sturridge especially looked real class acts, opening up the pitch at will whilst Lucas looked a real calm, rock solid performer who gave them a platform to play from.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 17, 2013 17:22:39 GMT
If you think OK is being out of position, not being able to pass to a team mate, not being able to kick a ball properly and have a head like a fifty pence piece then fair dos.
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Post by Big J on Aug 17, 2013 17:23:25 GMT
I suppose a 93% pass accuracy is not good enough in the new era.
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Post by philb on Aug 17, 2013 17:23:48 GMT
Thought he was dreadful today. He really looked so poor when he was involved, and let's be honest, that was rarely. The game seemed to drift by him and he was just so poor on the day. Perhaps we've bigged him up to something he's not! +1 Anyone thinking he's the answer to our midfield problems just watch his performance today, looked like a fish out of water.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2013 17:24:16 GMT
If you think OK is being out of position, not being able to pass to a team mate, not being able to kick a ball properly and have a head like a fifty pence piece then fair dos. Wilson ? ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif)
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