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Post by foster on Aug 1, 2013 14:03:30 GMT
1. That's up to the chairman. 2. Losing what? Around 3m a year that PC has paid off? We can make that through selling one of our poorer players. We get 30m more this year in TV rights anyway. 3. It's about excluding teams that overspend from European competition. Teams can overspend massively up to the time that they qualify. After which they'll look for a quick way to reduce the wage bill. 4. Selling a few players will reduce the wage bill. It's really about the overall spend even though wages are restricted to X% of the clubs revenue for teams in European competition. foster, you are forgetting that as well as the UEFA fair play regulations, the Premier League has introduced its own fair play financial regulations this year which, basically limits the increase in club wage bills this season. The Premier League regulations have nothing to do with Europe and have been brought in to ensure that no more than £4 million of the increased Sky money is spent on wages. Listen here Lakeland. I don't appreciate you butting in with your relevant facts!! Keep your sensible posts to yourself.
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Post by scfcwebby on Aug 1, 2013 14:08:22 GMT
One for the future I hope!?! I dont get this, people were blasting us for not giving youth a chance and now we are looking at youth we keep writing them off as "one for the future" Do we want to give Younger players a go or just put them in the Reserves / U21 teams or loan them out?
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Post by mailman44 on Aug 1, 2013 14:20:23 GMT
Well "one for the future" perhaps in the sense that they could be squad players for a year or two and progressively have more impact over a few seasons as they work their way first onto the team sheet in a few years.
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Post by owdestokie on Aug 1, 2013 14:25:25 GMT
Webby
Lots of previous comment was aimed at TP citing players like Marshall, etc. We are in a league which is unforgiving and takes no prisoners. Blood youngsters into the squad environment etc. especially on tour but they would have to be exceptional to get a regular spot. I suppose loaning out to the right clubs helps their development. It's a good job Walters isn't a 20 year old because he would have been destroyed by the criticism of some
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 1, 2013 14:25:30 GMT
Am I right in thinking this wouldn't be an absolutely nailed-on work permit?
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Aug 1, 2013 14:29:34 GMT
I reckon the rival Premier league side will be West Ham? It's Fulham. They had a £5 million bid refused last year.
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Post by scfcwebby on Aug 1, 2013 14:34:49 GMT
Webby Lots of previous comment was aimed at TP citing players like Marshall, etc. We are in a league which is unforgiving and takes no prisoners. Blood youngsters into the squad environment etc. especially on tour but they would have to be exceptional to get a regular spot. I suppose loaning out to the right clubs helps their development. It's a good job Walters isn't a 20 year old because he would have been destroyed by the criticism of some I get that, and I agree certain players have "potential" but need rounding off as a premier league player. But at the moment We need 1st team players and regardless of age, if they are good enough they are good enough. Pulis was the main argument rather than the players not being good enough but we are going to be in the same boat again where we are loaning out all players we get in ( using £££'s on wages etc) because they are not ready, they will never be ready unless they get premier league game time, so its the writing them off before we have even seen them that I am getting at because they are "too young" or one for the future, lets see what they have first if the do sign.
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Post by jbstokie on Aug 1, 2013 14:38:12 GMT
Am I right in thinking this wouldn't be an absolutely nailed-on work permit? 17 Caps at 20 years old for a team like USA should be enough to get a work permit, Shea only has 23 now and he's 3 years older.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 1, 2013 14:41:39 GMT
Am I right in thinking this wouldn't be an absolutely nailed-on work permit? 17 Caps at 20 years old for a team like USA should be enough to get a work permit, Shea only has 23 now and he's 3 years older. It'd go to appeal though, wouldn't it? He doesn't come anywhere near to meeting the automatic criteria on the face of it. Looks like 2 sub appearances in friendlies in the last couple of years. And doesn't appear to be injury you could point to as a mitigating factor in his lack of recent appearances. We'd have to go big on his potential with some glowing references. Zack G. ?@thatdamnyank Stoke would need a decent case to get Juan Agudelo a work permit. Should get one (esp. based on new govt tendencies), but NOT sure-fire.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 1, 2013 16:24:07 GMT
One for the future I hope!?! I dont get this, people were blasting us for not giving youth a chance and now we are looking at youth we keep writing them off as "one for the future" Do we want to give Younger players a go or just put them in the Reserves / U21 teams or loan them out? The level of football in the US and the PL are two different worlds so I really don't believe he is ready yet, but hopefully he can take take the level quite quickly and develop from there. As said one for the future.
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Post by lordb on Aug 1, 2013 16:58:15 GMT
he looks small,quick & can finish
however youtube montage's are not reliable
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Post by hulmaldo on Aug 1, 2013 20:55:21 GMT
I don't think the transfer budget has been slashed at all. Even with a £31m loss last year, the new TV deal will make up most if not all of that shortfall. Uncle Peter will be keen to back the new manager and from the Diouf bid it's clear that there's money available. I think we'll survive next season as we are, but the addition of a striker is top priority (and another left winger after that) and up to £8m for a new one isn't out of the question I don't believe. The wage bill of £59m up to March 2013 has already been slashed following the release of Rory, Mama, Upson, Whitehead, Owen and Nash must have slashed at least £4m from it. If one of Jones or Crouch goes that's another £3-4m in the transfer kitty and £2m a year off the wage bill.
As for Agudelo, he does look and sound like a great prospect, I'm all for the new emphasis on young players. The only way we can realistically attempt tp bridge the financial canyon to the top teams and become self sustainable is by making a consistent profit on player transfers year on year, in the way FC Porto do (but on a smaller scale of course).
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 2, 2013 7:59:01 GMT
SentinelSTOKE City are confident that a face-to-face meeting with manager Mark Hughes will persuade Juan Agudelo to sign for the club.
The 20-year-old New England Revolution striker spoke at length with Hughes in Philadelphia this week
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2013 8:25:15 GMT
Percy reckons it's likely to happen, all good news!
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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 2, 2013 8:30:36 GMT
Looks like he'd be an interesting addition to the squad, but whether he's ready yet for the first team is open to question.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 2, 2013 8:59:59 GMT
If we want him, and he wants to come....
Sounds like we're at the drawn out 'trying to sort out a fee with MLS' stage then.
If he's only under contract for another 4 months, we've got to be looking at a pretty modest one?
Less than £2m?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2013 9:10:46 GMT
1.5 perhaps? He's not got the national media circus that Shea had so the MLS shouldn't demand that much. I think this will be a bargain.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 2, 2013 9:15:24 GMT
If we want him, and he wants to come.... Sounds like we're at the drawn out 'trying to sort out a fee with MLS' stage then. If he's only under contract for another 4 months, we've got to be looking at a pretty modest one? Less than £2m? You'd think £2 million would do it as far as the MLS is concerned. But his club may feel they want to dig their heels in especially if they can't see much chance of a replacement before the end of the season. I'm not sure what happens if the player and the MLS agree but the club doesn't?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 2, 2013 9:18:15 GMT
He looks a real talent with great skill and technique, strong too. For the money being talked about could be a great investment. Far more exciting than Rudnevs.
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Post by frumpy on Aug 2, 2013 9:36:26 GMT
Better idea of the type of player compared to just goal highlights.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 2, 2013 9:44:03 GMT
Better idea of the type of player compared to just goal highlights. Really reminds me of Zaha.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Aug 2, 2013 9:45:36 GMT
Better idea of the type of player compared to just goal highlights. Frumpy. Is he an out and out front man? Some of those highlights show him being a Tricky Dicky out wide-ish and then cutting inside. Or is the US NT set up with a lone striker who does a bit of both?
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 2, 2013 10:24:50 GMT
Get the signing done for the weekend then?
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Post by stokeramblers on Aug 2, 2013 10:41:15 GMT
Get the signing done for the weekend then? Not with a work permit involved
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 2, 2013 10:52:01 GMT
Get the signing done for the weekend then? Not with a work permit involved Oh ballcocks!
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Post by bertiestan on Aug 2, 2013 10:55:25 GMT
I know it's only a YouTube video but he looks a class act, the man to finally replace ric IMO, the goal where he flicks it n volleys is great!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 2, 2013 10:57:28 GMT
Get the signing done for the weekend then? Not with a work permit involved Agreed. This will be harder than Cameron's work permit as he hasn't got the necessary International games - he's hardly played for the National side in the past 12 months. I think we should win on appeal though. To have 17 caps at age 20 is pretty good and we can probably argue a special case. It will be interesting to see how Mark Hughes manages with work permits - as a player he was a much higher profile than TP so, given that the appeals panel are mostly players, his words should carry some weight.
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Post by fromtheusa on Aug 2, 2013 17:14:13 GMT
Juan is one of the few Americans that can dribble.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2013 17:23:33 GMT
I don't see why a work permit should be a problem. Half the fuckers in my local Kebab shop don't even have a passport and can't speak a fucking word of English.... Crackers
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Post by slother on Aug 2, 2013 17:33:30 GMT
Juan is one of the few Americans that can dribble. Is Shea in that club, out of interest?
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