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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 26, 2013 10:41:17 GMT
Be interesting to see what our back up is. Its obvious Hughes wants an aggressive, pacy front man with a number ten type behind. If it is from Oliveira to Taarabt, as has been mooted in the press, then im not quite sure what its telling us. Think it tells us don't expect any 'rock the city' signing any time soon. But still hope I'm wrong.
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Post by stokeramblers on Jul 26, 2013 10:41:22 GMT
My observations are based on the fiascos of virtually ever window since we got promoted. Fancy words, fancy job titles, same old excuses. No by the way are you currently being fingered by a man from Blackburn called Tony? I don't believe there has been any comment from the club on this particular transfer at all, so how can you say anything about 'same old excuses', when there have been no excuses? Agenda, agenda, nothing but agenda. Give it a fucking rest, you're just tiresome. Hasn't Hughes said that he likes the player and that he'd like to do a deal for him...
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 26, 2013 10:42:07 GMT
My observations are based on the fiascos of virtually ever window since we got promoted. Fancy words, fancy job titles, same old excuses. No by the way are you currently being fingered by a man from Blackburn called Tony? I don't believe there has been any comment from the club on this particular transfer at all, so how can you say anything about 'same old excuses', when there have been no excuses? Agenda, agenda, nothing but agenda. Give it a fucking rest, you're just tiresome. The manager himself mentioned him but other than that you're cock on or are you saying this was just press nonsense. Gullible.
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Post by hollybush on Jul 26, 2013 10:47:52 GMT
OK, the manager said he would like him, but I did explicitly say that there had been no excuses from the club, and there haven't. I'd forgotten that you actually spend much of your time as a fly on the wall in every negotiation the club carries out, so obviously you're more itk than me. You do, however, bang on incessantly about these 'men in suits' who you hate for some reason and you still have no evidence outside your own bitter mind that they're responsible for this transfer falling through.
I repeat, it's your agenda, and nothing to do with reality.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 26, 2013 10:51:01 GMT
OK, the manager said he would like him, but I did explicitly say that there had been no excuses from the club, and there haven't. I'd forgotten that you actually spend much of your time as a fly on the wall in every negotiation the club carries out, so obviously you're more itk than me. You do, however, bang on incessantly about these 'men in suits' who you hate for some reason and you still have no evidence outside your own bitter mind that they're responsible for this transfer falling through. I repeat, it's your agenda, and nothing to do with reality. Have you started to support Stoke in the last three minutes or have you actually witnessed some previous windows?
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Post by Block 22 on Jul 26, 2013 10:56:30 GMT
So he's officially signed for Rennes then?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2013 11:00:37 GMT
So he's officially signed for Rennes then? Yes
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2013 11:05:01 GMT
linkPortuguese press now claim Rennes will have a purchase option. Strange tale from start to finish. The purchase option is a very strange twist. I'm inclined to think that this has made Rennes offer more acceptable than Stoke's in some way (I can't believe that Rennes have placed down a big loan fee) - but that theory doesn't really add up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2013 11:06:47 GMT
New signing announced later
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Post by u2oxeterstokie on Jul 26, 2013 11:09:16 GMT
New signing announced later Here we go!!!
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Post by nott1 on Jul 26, 2013 11:10:30 GMT
New signing announced later SOURCE?
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Post by hollybush on Jul 26, 2013 11:10:30 GMT
OK, the manager said he would like him, but I did explicitly say that there had been no excuses from the club, and there haven't. I'd forgotten that you actually spend much of your time as a fly on the wall in every negotiation the club carries out, so obviously you're more itk than me. You do, however, bang on incessantly about these 'men in suits' who you hate for some reason and you still have no evidence outside your own bitter mind that they're responsible for this transfer falling through. I repeat, it's your agenda, and nothing to do with reality. Have you started to support Stoke in the last three minutes or have you actually witnessed some previous windows? I have indeed witnessed many previous windows, interestingly always without wearing a pair of 'I hate Tony Scholes' glasses. There obviously seem to have been mistakes made, but there have also been many cases where players and/or their representatives have pissed us around, and neither you nor I have any certain knowledge about which was which. Whatever YOU choose to believe in your twisted little world, Peter Coates doesn't share your opinion, and I know who I would rather have in charge of the club if the choice was between you and him. You know full well that everything you post about the club is coloured by your irrational hatred of Tony Scholes, and we all know it too, so please give it a rest.
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Post by Davef on Jul 26, 2013 11:12:06 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 26, 2013 11:19:27 GMT
Have you started to support Stoke in the last three minutes or have you actually witnessed some previous windows? I have indeed witnessed many previous windows, interestingly always without wearing a pair of 'I hate Tony Scholes' glasses. There obviously seem to have been mistakes made, but there have also been many cases where players and/or their representatives have pissed us around, and neither you nor I have any certain knowledge about which was which. Whatever YOU choose to believe in your twisted little world, Peter Coates doesn't share your opinion, and I know who I would rather have in charge of the club if the choice was between you and him. You know full well that everything you post about the club is coloured by your irrational hatred of Tony Scholes, and we all know it too, so please give it a rest. I'll post what the fuck I want if it's all the same to you. You can sit there and swallow club jizz like a 10 quid whore if you like but the new recruitment dept has not yet performed in my opinion. Not that surprising when one of the key figures in player recruitment was a major part of the one that (to universal agreement) failed. We were clearly after the player and seemingly couldn't get an option to buy. He has now gone to an inferior league to a smaller club seemingly who have an option to buy. You happy clap along if you like, I'd rather ask the questions, what the fuck is going on and what the fuck has actually changed?
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Post by lordb on Jul 26, 2013 11:21:47 GMT
I have indeed witnessed many previous windows, interestingly always without wearing a pair of 'I hate Tony Scholes' glasses. There obviously seem to have been mistakes made, but there have also been many cases where players and/or their representatives have pissed us around, and neither you nor I have any certain knowledge about which was which. Whatever YOU choose to believe in your twisted little world, Peter Coates doesn't share your opinion, and I know who I would rather have in charge of the club if the choice was between you and him. You know full well that everything you post about the club is coloured by your irrational hatred of Tony Scholes, and we all know it too, so please give it a rest. I'll post what the fuck I want if it's all the same to you. You can sit there and swallow club jizz like a 10 quid whore if you like but the new recruitment dept has not yet performed in my opinion. Not that surprising when one of the key figures in player recruitment was a major part of the one that (to universal agreement) failed. We were clearly after the player and seemingly couldn't get an option to buy. He has now gone to an inferior league to a smaller club seemingly who have an option to buy. You happy clap along if you like, I'd rather ask the questions, what the fuck is going on and what the fuck has actually changed? hard to explain the player going to Rennes for any football reason other than we (& that means Scholes,not the manager)has fucked up
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Post by hollybush on Jul 26, 2013 11:22:56 GMT
I have indeed witnessed many previous windows, interestingly always without wearing a pair of 'I hate Tony Scholes' glasses. There obviously seem to have been mistakes made, but there have also been many cases where players and/or their representatives have pissed us around, and neither you nor I have any certain knowledge about which was which. Whatever YOU choose to believe in your twisted little world, Peter Coates doesn't share your opinion, and I know who I would rather have in charge of the club if the choice was between you and him. You know full well that everything you post about the club is coloured by your irrational hatred of Tony Scholes, and we all know it too, so please give it a rest. I'll post what the fuck I want if it's all the same to you. You can sit there and swallow club jizz like a 10 quid whore if you like but the new recruitment dept has not yet performed in my opinion. Not that surprising when one of the key figures in player recruitment was a major part of the one that (to universal agreement) failed. We were clearly after the player and seemingly couldn't get an option to buy. He has now gone to an inferior league to a smaller club seemingly who have an option to buy. You happy clap along if you like, I'd rather ask the questions, what the fuck is going on and what the fuck has actually changed? I'm sorry, it's so obvious that all this is down to Tony Scholes, I wish I had your insight. Or is that paranoid, self-obsessed bullshit? Let me guess.
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Post by hollybush on Jul 26, 2013 11:24:12 GMT
I'll post what the fuck I want if it's all the same to you. You can sit there and swallow club jizz like a 10 quid whore if you like but the new recruitment dept has not yet performed in my opinion. Not that surprising when one of the key figures in player recruitment was a major part of the one that (to universal agreement) failed. We were clearly after the player and seemingly couldn't get an option to buy. He has now gone to an inferior league to a smaller club seemingly who have an option to buy. You happy clap along if you like, I'd rather ask the questions, what the fuck is going on and what the fuck has actually changed? hard to explain the player going to Rennes for any football reason other than we (& that means Scholes,not the manager)has fucked up NO! It's fucking easy to just make shit up because you don't know anything either way.
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Post by lordb on Jul 26, 2013 11:26:56 GMT
I'll post what the fuck I want if it's all the same to you. You can sit there and swallow club jizz like a 10 quid whore if you like but the new recruitment dept has not yet performed in my opinion. Not that surprising when one of the key figures in player recruitment was a major part of the one that (to universal agreement) failed. We were clearly after the player and seemingly couldn't get an option to buy. He has now gone to an inferior league to a smaller club seemingly who have an option to buy. You happy clap along if you like, I'd rather ask the questions, what the fuck is going on and what the fuck has actually changed? I'm sorry, it's so obvious that all this is down to Tony Scholes, I wish I had your insight. Or is that paranoid, self-obsessed bullshit? Let me guess. what is it down to then? What can Renness offer that we cant? League 1 is not as good as the prem will he get more playing time? unlikely will he get more money? - unlikely Are Rennes a better shop window - no players will nearly always choose mid table prem over mid table french teams sorry but Scholes fucking things up seems the simplest & most likely (If not the only) answer as to why this player is not a Stoke player edit: its well known that Rudge & then TP did not value Scholes contribution to transfer negotiations so why it should it be any differnt now?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 26, 2013 11:28:25 GMT
hard to explain the player going to Rennes for any football reason other than we (& that means Scholes,not the manager)has fucked up NO! It's fucking easy to just make shit up because you don't know anything either way. Your refusal to doubt the great man is very sweet, I presume all of our fuck ups in the past were nothing to do with him either. Are you one of those who believed Pulis, persuaded players to join in his tracksuit one minute than ran upstairs in a suit to talk to agents and write all the contracts as well.
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Post by foster on Jul 26, 2013 11:30:35 GMT
Maybe we weren't really that bothered and just didn't want to pay more than we originally offered?
Maybe we've got other targets (loan and buy) which are of higher priority?
Either way, I don't see a player sent out on loan (for what reason?) to a club like Rennes as being a step up. If that's the calibre of club competing for him then I'm not fussed if he comes here.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jul 26, 2013 11:31:58 GMT
Who knows what the fuck happened with this transfer but in my opinion the agent(s) are probably at the centre of it all and in the end they have probably touted him to the biggest bidder if that's a club deemed to be smaller than us then that's fair enough. The fact remains we had a value for the player in mind and an idea of where he would fit into our wage structure. Its seems to me that we couldn't or rather wouldn't match what they wanted simple.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jul 26, 2013 11:34:00 GMT
I'm sorry, it's so obvious that all this is down to Tony Scholes, I wish I had your insight. Or is that paranoid, self-obsessed bullshit? Let me guess. what is it down to then? What can Renness offer that we cant? League 1 is not as good as the prem will he get more playing time? unlikely will he get more money? - unlikelyAre Rennes a better shop window - no players will nearly always choose mid table prem over mid table french teams sorry but Scholes fucking things up seems the simplest & most likely (If not the only) answer as to why this player is not a Stoke player edit: its well known that Rudge & then TP did not value Scholes contribution to transfer negotiations so why it should it be any differnt now? Er how have you come to that conclusion?
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Post by Pirate on Jul 26, 2013 11:34:00 GMT
Just because we were interested in him doesn't mean the deal that was on the table suited us, hence doesn't mean anyone fucked anything up. Hopefully it is a sign that we have other options to go after which would mean our scouring team is doing its job, unlike previous summers when we have been mugged on deals.
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Post by Silkystoke on Jul 26, 2013 11:37:53 GMT
Well let's hope we hear the truth, to what really happened....!!!! For me, IF we were after him, and he's gone to RENNES, it's crazy,only the player himself know's why, and i'm sure somebody ere (no names ) FUCKED UP BIG TIME...... What's the song... WE ARE STOKE..!!!!! ( we'd have problems signing Messi )
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Post by stokeramblers on Jul 26, 2013 11:39:27 GMT
Well let's hope we hear the truth, to what really happened....!!!! For me, IF we were after him, and he's gone to RENNES, it's crazy,only the player himself know's why, and i'm sure somebody ere (no names ) FUCKED UP BIG TIME...... What's the song... WE ARE STOKE..!!!!! ( we'd have problems signing Messi ) I'm sorry can you just say that again?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2013 11:39:50 GMT
Its a bit odd that a mid table Premiership club has lost out to a Ligue 1 club.
Its doesn't happen all too often.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jul 26, 2013 11:42:51 GMT
Its a bit odd that a mid table Premiership club has lost out to a Ligue 1 club. Its doesn't happen all too often. Unless said Ligue 1 club offered more money???
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 26, 2013 11:43:12 GMT
To be fair to the club on this one, it looks like its the player that has changed his mind late in the day after everything was agreed. Happens a lot to us doesn't it. It does. How can Norwich and Sunderland make transfers with apparent ease and we can't?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 26, 2013 11:44:16 GMT
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Post by OnionBag on Jul 26, 2013 11:47:14 GMT
I'm sorry, it's so obvious that all this is down to Tony Scholes, I wish I had your insight. Or is that paranoid, self-obsessed bullshit? Let me guess. what is it down to then? What can Renness offer that we cant? League 1 is not as good as the prem will he get more playing time? unlikely will he get more money? - unlikely Are Rennes a better shop window - no players will nearly always choose mid table prem over mid table french teams sorry but Scholes fucking things up seems the simplest & most likely (If not the only) answer as to why this player is not a Stoke player edit: its well known that Rudge & then TP did not value Scholes contribution to transfer negotiations so why it should it be any differnt now? 1) Maybe he likes the sun and hasn't been fooled by our Summer 2) No its not, but the style might be more suited to him and I doubt we have lost all of our reputation about long ball, we probably need a good half season of playing more footy to do that. 3) No-one knows, he may not even have played much here if he couldn't adapt. 4) Don't know who backs Rennes. 5) This is the strange one, if he is confident in his ability the Prem is definitely a better shop window - maybe he's not?
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