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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 24, 2013 11:58:50 GMT
Why are people getting so worked up about this no option to buy thing? Did West Brom have an option to buy Lukaku? What's the problem? The problem is West Brom have lost a key member of a squad/team that they can't replace. He probably cost them a similar amount of money to Oliveira for a season and now they're being linked with bloody Kenwyne! Its dead money that leaves long term holes in your squad with short termism thinking. I'd rather we use the money to invest in the kids or add into another deal. If they score the goals that make sure we dont get relegated then it saves us 40 million quid, so well worth it basically. We need a bit more flexibility in our contracts I think. Clubs are starting to wake up and realise that players have all the power - either they increase in value and push for a move, or they are shit and sit on their overpaid contracts for years. The fact is loans work both ways. Have we signed a player in the last 10 years and sold him at a profit yet? I cant think of one single player - Tuncay we recovered our investment but that is all |
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Post by stokeramblers on Jul 24, 2013 11:59:52 GMT
The problem is West Brom have lost a key member of a squad/team that they can't replace. He probably cost them a similar amount of money to Oliveira for a season and now they're being linked with bloody Kenwyne! Its dead money that leaves long term holes in your squad with short termism thinking. I'd rather we use the money to invest in the kids or add into another deal. If they score the goals that make sure we dont get relegated then it saves us 40 million quid, so well worth it basically. We need a bit more flexibility in our contracts I think. Clubs are starting to wake up and realise that players have all the power - either they increase in value and push for a move, or they are shit and sit on their overpaid contracts for years. The fact is loans work both ways. Have we signed a player in the last 10 years and sold him at a profit yet? I cant think of one single player - Tuncay we recovered our investment but that is all Leon Cort? |
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Post by timbo1988 on Jul 24, 2013 12:04:11 GMT
Captain Fishpaste tweeted that when Sunderland were completing a loan deal from abraod that all non English loans have to have an option to buy in them.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 24, 2013 12:07:08 GMT
Surely the 'problem' is you could become utterly dependant on him and be £2M light in the process of replacing someone you were never going to get. I thought we were a bit less small time than developing other people's players after five years in the Premier League. More evidence of cost cutting at a time when our peers are spending like lottery winners. The thing is though, mate is that Hughes is being thrown in at the deep end with little time to assess his squad AND implement radical changes before the season gets underway. Tony was often accused of not utilising the foreign loan market and I see this as a sensible step to get a player who could help us over the next season while Hughes gets his feet under the table without wasting ridiculous fees on players he may later feel we don't need. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 24, 2013 12:07:36 GMT
Good call we bought Cort for 1.2mill and sold to Burnley for 1.5m
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 24, 2013 12:08:11 GMT
Great stuff. A bit gutted about there being no clause but he's a fantastic talent and shits over the rest of our dour attacking force. Does he? Genuine question as I haven't seen loads of him, from what I know I thought he still had a bit of developing to do. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2013 12:08:49 GMT
I don't like this one bit but good luck to him if he eventually signs.
And the Lukaku comparisons are fair but in my book he was a genuine "next level" talent who's worth it. This fella isn't. And I don't think Welbeck or Zaha are overly either and that's not me saying they're shit or any of that crap but I just don't think either of them would be worth renting for a year. If Welbeck came on loan now (which he never would) I'd expect a deal to include a future fee, I wouldn't with Zaha.
As for profits-Higgi
300k-3.5 million-3 million BOOM!
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Post by skip on Jul 24, 2013 12:11:52 GMT
My Portuguese friend who is currently back in Portugal says if this is true we've got a superb talent for one season. That'll do me.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 24, 2013 12:12:17 GMT
Great stuff. A bit gutted about there being no clause but he's a fantastic talent and shits over the rest of our dour attacking force. Does he? Genuine question as I haven't seen loads of him, from what I know I thought he still had a bit of developing to do. He can beat a man, shoot and has skill. He therefore shits over the rest of our dour attacking force.  |
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Post by stokeramblers on Jul 24, 2013 12:13:38 GMT
Does he? Genuine question as I haven't seen loads of him, from what I know I thought he still had a bit of developing to do. He can beat a man, shoot and has skill. He therefore shits over the rest of our dour attacking force. Tuncay is dead. Long live Oliviera! You're such a slut |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 24, 2013 12:15:28 GMT
He can beat a man, shoot and has skill. He therefore shits over the rest of our dour attacking force. Tuncay is dead. Long live Oliviera! You're such a slut Not really. Why cant we have both? Bring back the Turk to play alongside Oli! |
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Post by Roy Cropper on Jul 24, 2013 12:16:19 GMT
Just remember we paid over 500k for Ameobi on loan, it suddenly seems a bargain!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 24, 2013 12:16:52 GMT
Surely the 'problem' is you could become utterly dependant on him and be £2M light in the process of replacing someone you were never going to get. I thought we were a bit less small time than developing other people's players after five years in the Premier League. More evidence of cost cutting at a time when our peers are spending like lottery winners. The thing is though, mate is that Hughes is being thrown in at the deep end with little time to assess his squad AND implement radical changes before the season gets underway. Tony was often accused of not utilising the foreign loan market and I see this as a sensible step to get a player who could help us over the next season while Hughes gets his feet under the table without wasting ridiculous fees on players he may later feel we don't need. I thought Cartwright was there to identify targets for more than a season though? He'd been here for 8 months now and we're reduced to loaning strikers and bring them on for others? There really isn't a better option out there? Anywhere? It smacks of small time to me, that and slashed budgets. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2013 12:18:00 GMT
Just remember we paid over 500k for Ameobi on loan, it suddenly seems a bargain! He should have been so good for us but what a load of shit he was.  |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 24, 2013 12:18:09 GMT
I don't like this one bit but good luck to him if he eventually signs. And the Lukaku comparisons are fair but in my book he was a genuine "next level" talent who's worth it. This fella isn't. And I don't think Welbeck or Zaha are overly either and that's not me saying they're shit or any of that crap but I just don't think either of them would be worth renting for a year. If Welbeck came on loan now (which he never would) I'd expect a deal to include a future fee, I wouldn't with Zaha. As for profits-Higgi 300k-3.5 million-3 million BOOM! Good one on Higginbotham  . We did then of course buy him back for 2.5 million so about breakeven on him overall, but we did bank a profit for a short period of time. |
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Post by stokeramblers on Jul 24, 2013 12:18:09 GMT
Tuncay is dead. Long live Oliviera! You're such a slut Not really. Why cant we have both? Bring back the Turk to play alongside Oli! Oh come on, managers, players, they're just like ships passing in the night to you  Oh and no way on Tuncay, we don't need some 30 something has been. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 24, 2013 12:18:23 GMT
Maybe this signals the end of the plodders? Hooray! Cultured football in the potteries!
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 24, 2013 12:21:30 GMT
Not really. Why cant we have both? Bring back the Turk to play alongside Oli! Oh come on, managers, players, they're just like ships passing in the night to you Oh and no way on Tuncay, we don't need some 30 something has been. Its all about moving with the times! Yeah true, I don't want us to sign 30+ year olds anymore. However, this would be an exceptional circumstance given he was such a massive favourite with the fans. |
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Post by cousindupree on Jul 24, 2013 12:22:34 GMT
Seems strange that many on here were moaning about not using the loan market and when it appears we do the deal is not right. We desperately need creativity and an upgrade to our attacking play. So far our transfer activity smacks of cost cutting and a very limited budget for the new manager. Lets hope he can shift a few out to create more funds.
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Post by stokeramblers on Jul 24, 2013 12:23:55 GMT
Oh come on, managers, players, they're just like ships passing in the night to you Oh and no way on Tuncay, we don't need some 30 something has been. Its all about moving with the times! Yeah true, I don't want us to sign 30+ year olds anymore. However, this would be an exceptional circumstance given he was such a massive favourite with the fans. If you're re-signing THE fans favourite there can be only one man for that job... and it ain't the 'Turk' But that's another story for another time. Looking forward to seeing what Oliviera can do. Hope he gets out to the States before our tour ends. |
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Post by Foster on Jul 24, 2013 12:25:42 GMT
Don't jump the gun, it's not official yet....or is it?
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Post by pittshillplotter on Jul 24, 2013 12:27:04 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 24, 2013 12:27:11 GMT
Its all about moving with the times! Yeah true, I don't want us to sign 30+ year olds anymore. However, this would be an exceptional circumstance given he was such a massive favourite with the fans. If you're re-signing THE fans favourite there can be only one man for that job... and it ain't the 'Turk' But that's another story for another time. Looking forward to seeing what Oliviera can do. Hope he gets out to the States before our tour ends. Yeah absolutely. Hopefully he can get out there asap and familiarise himself with the manager and the team. Be interesting to see what role he has in the side...I like to think he will be seen as a regular starter leading the line. |
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Post by stokeramblers on Jul 24, 2013 12:27:33 GMT
Don't jump the gun, it's not official yet....or is it? No not official. I'm trusting The Tweets of the 'Presser-man' Can't remember his name but he went in a big huff and doesn't post on here anymore  |
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Post by Foster on Jul 24, 2013 12:31:32 GMT
Yeah, saw the link earlier, but nothing from the club.
I expect it will be announced today though.
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Post by chaydlestokie on Jul 24, 2013 12:34:08 GMT
I dont know Bayern, we shouldnt be too quick to judge players abilities. If we were any good at it mate, we'd be in the business. Not having a go, i'm the same, but right now we can't even dream of signing people like Wellbeck/Zaha/Oliveira. Our only hope is to loan, which for me is a great move now we have Hughes rather than Pulis. Now we can actually attract players like this, but more importantly, once we get talent here, I trust Hughes 100% to get to know them, school them, improve and impress them, giving us the best possible chance of signing class long term. Hughes is soo good at this its unreal, and could open up a whole new way of working with previously unatainable talent and moving us forward.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2013 12:34:25 GMT
Seems strange that many on here were moaning about not using the loan market and when it appears we do the deal is not right. We desperately need creativity and an upgrade to our attacking play. So far our transfer activity smacks of cost cutting and a very limited budget for the new manager. Lets hope he can shift a few out to create more funds. My exact moan was not using in foreign as a try before You buy process. We have no option to buy so I aren't enamoured with it and if he is good and a fee then has to be agreed it will be too much for us probably so it should be done before. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 12:35:22 GMT
Guys...
"Michael Graham ?@capt_Fishpaste 10m
Bad news for Stoke fans - according to @puchkin_B, who knows his beans, Nelson Oliveira likely to join Rennes."
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 24, 2013 12:37:09 GMT
Ding Ding Ding that sounds pretty good in the sentinel. Hopefully its confirmed today.
I predict he will score 20 goals this season
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Post by Northy on Jul 24, 2013 12:37:09 GMT
The thing is though, mate is that Hughes is being thrown in at the deep end with little time to assess his squad AND implement radical changes before the season gets underway. Tony was often accused of not utilising the foreign loan market and I see this as a sensible step to get a player who could help us over the next season while Hughes gets his feet under the table without wasting ridiculous fees on players he may later feel we don't need. I thought Cartwright was there to identify targets for more than a season though? He'd been here for 8 months now and we're reduced to loaning strikers and bring them on for others? There really isn't a better option out there? Anywhere? It smacks of small time to me, that and slashed budgets. for more than a season? Was that specific in his appointment or just something to suit the argument? |
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. We did then of course buy him back for 2.5 million so about breakeven on him overall, but we did bank a profit for a short period of time.
