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Post by MrMagic on Apr 10, 2013 8:09:40 GMT
What is this faux outrage at everything Pulis says? Embarrassed? I think a few posters are a little bit sensitive. Come on - unless this is completely fabricated its totally indefensible and highlights exactly why we are in the shit.
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Post by scfc5 on Apr 10, 2013 8:14:16 GMT
The effect on Adam is most concerning - I can't imagine he will like reading that, yet we need him fully behind the manager and the team right now. I fear such an article might only demotivate him.
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Post by BigKahunaBurger on Apr 10, 2013 8:15:02 GMT
He has really made himself look rather silly in this article
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Post by alexk on Apr 10, 2013 8:16:28 GMT
He's quite literally insane. Also Ronaldo NEVER tracks back. Water bottles AOTS.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 10, 2013 8:17:40 GMT
What is this faux outrage at everything Pulis says? Embarrassed? I think a few posters are a little bit sensitive. Come on - unless this is completely fabricated its totally indefensible and highlights exactly why we are in the shit. Is it a surprise? Is it embarrassing? Maybe to you, not to me magic. I'm worried, yes. Worried about going down, but I'd be more worried if Pulis was suddenly capitualting and self doubting in public.
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Post by keasie1863 on Apr 10, 2013 8:19:44 GMT
Well today we have been truly tag teamed, by pulis and coates.coming at us on two fronts.i wonder if they have a war room bunker, under the brit, to formulate a strategic counter action, against a dissenting peasantry. The most worrying aspect is that the coates seems to be backing the fool.what next a minutes silence for a former despot.
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Post by ohbottom on Apr 10, 2013 8:20:08 GMT
Come on - unless this is completely fabricated its totally indefensible and highlights exactly why we are in the shit. Is it a surprise? Is it embarrassing? Maybe to you, not to me magic. I'm worried, yes. Worried about going down, but I'd be more worried if Pulis was suddenly capitualting and self doubting in public.You're not worried that he has clearly completely lost touch with reality?
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 10, 2013 8:24:40 GMT
Is it a surprise? Is it embarrassing? Maybe to you, not to me magic. I'm worried, yes. Worried about going down, but I'd be more worried if Pulis was suddenly capitualting and self doubting in public.You're not worried that he has clearly completely lost touch with reality? I accepted his and my view of footballing reality were very different in the promotion season. He is in the same reality he has always been in, and Coates appears to still be there too. I don't necessarily concur but I don't find it surprising or embarrassing.
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Post by pavel on Apr 10, 2013 8:30:28 GMT
Utterly delusional nonsense from Tony here. More revisionist claptrap from a man clearly out of his depth in the modern game and the situation he finds himself in. Very disingenuous regrading Charlie Adam, amongst others and passing the buck yet again. He is becoming an embarrassment for the club and not only footballing wise.
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 10, 2013 8:37:07 GMT
Most of the article, in my opinion, struck me as common sense. What is all the fuss about?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 8:47:08 GMT
Most of the article, in my opinion, struck me as common sense. What is all the fuss about? He's spent tens of millions (around the £100m in fact), he's had 5 years in the Prem, he's signed dozens of players and he's basically saying: - "You need money to spend to impprove, you need to bring in new players and then you need to give them time to settle in". Guess what Tony, you've had all of the above. Thanks for everything but it's time for a change.
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 10, 2013 9:04:25 GMT
I know he has been given a lot of cash to spend. The problem here though is more complicated. Firstly would top international players, at the height of their careers, come to Stoke. Secondly what is Stoke's wage structure, are they able to compete with the top clubs? Maybe they are, I'm just asking the question.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 10, 2013 9:05:59 GMT
I know he has been given a lot of cash to spend. The problem here though is more complicated. Firstly would top international players, at the height of their careers, come to Stoke. Secondly what is Stoke's wage structure, are they able to compete with the top clubs? Maybe they are, I'm just asking the question. The problem is more complicated, you're correct. The problem is Tone thinking you can stick any player with a bit of a high profile name into our system and just magically expect it to work. It doesn't and it hasn't.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 9:06:58 GMT
Common sense? He talks about width and wingers but has spent the season playing one and sometimes none.
He talks about budgets when he's spent millions on players he doesn't use.
He talks about taking time to evolve when the club is quite clearly going backwards.
He talks about a recent bad run when the team has won 22% of it's games since the start of LAST YEAR.
It's unrelenting, self-serving bollocks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 9:10:56 GMT
Common sense? He talks about width and wingers but has spent the season playing one and sometimes none. He talks about budgets when he's spent millions on players he doesn't use. He talks about taking time to evolve when the club is quite clearly going backwards. He talks about a recent bad run when the team has won 22% of it's games since the start of LAST YEAR. It's unrelenting, self-serving bollocks.
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Post by apb1979 on Apr 10, 2013 9:29:15 GMT
Does any other manager treat their fans with such contempt as TP does with us? The sooner this muppet is out of my club the better.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 10, 2013 9:44:57 GMT
I'm sure he's having some kind of breakdown.
If not, he's taking the piss.
Either way, it isn't good...
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Post by skip on Apr 10, 2013 9:45:06 GMT
Pulis has so much faith in his system that when it doesn't work he thinks its the fault of better players. It is borderline madness.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 9:57:19 GMT
...I guess I'm the only one that kind of liked the article? Haha!
He's been honest at least, saying what he's trying to do. He's been right about Swansea in that respect, Rodgers and Martinez both played the football that Laudrup has them playing so there's been no tippy tappy over midnight. There's loads of other points but overall I agree with the poster that said it's basically common sense!
Now strike me down if you need to but I think he just hasn't had the players to suit his style this season, his fault sure, but given two pacey wingers with a cross we'd be laughing this season. So I think he's right in the sense that his system works, just not with the current players we have as such. Again, his fault. Comforting to know at least if he had another summer at the club he could have players in for his working system once more and worst comes to worst we'd be better next season than we are this season.
Nice to hint about Kightly and Adam possibly playing more of a part in the season now on though. Looks like he might finally have grasped something in terms of the impact they can provide.
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Post by mrred on Apr 10, 2013 10:00:33 GMT
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Post by stokie1130 on Apr 10, 2013 10:08:15 GMT
i just caught this myself this morning, its only proving that the poor mans losing the plot more and more, day by day. to say he is all about using wingers, but then doesn't play his wingers, instead he plays a right back and a so called striker on the wings ????? WTF TP ???? away with the fairy's me thinks.....
Desperate shouts by a desperate man.
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 10, 2013 10:11:48 GMT
He says change doesn't happen over night but 5 years & £100 Million later should be enough.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 10:16:28 GMT
...I guess I'm the only one that kind of liked the article? Haha! He's been honest at least, saying what he's trying to do. He's been right about Swansea in that respect, Rodgers and Martinez both played the football that Laudrup has them playing so there's been no tippy tappy over midnight. There's loads of other points but overall I agree with the poster that said it's basically common sense! Now strike me down if you need to but I think he just hasn't had the players to suit his style this season, his fault sure, but given two pacey wingers with a cross we'd be laughing this season. So I think he's right in the sense that his system works, just not with the current players we have as such. Again, his fault. Comforting to know at least if he had another summer at the club he could have players in for his working system once more and worst comes to worst we'd be better next season than we are this season. Nice to hint about Kightly and Adam possibly playing more of a part in the season now on though. Looks like he might finally have grasped something in terms of the impact they can provide. I don't quite follow your logic. It's his fault that he hasn't signed players who fit his system, but this summer he's going to do that? How do you work that one out?
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Post by unknown182 on Apr 10, 2013 10:25:02 GMT
He has on his last legs in my opinion. Trying his hardest to convince some of the few that still believe in him that everything is alright. But to be honest the majority saw past his mindless ramblings weeks ago.
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Post by pavel on Apr 10, 2013 10:40:38 GMT
...I guess I'm the only one that kind of liked the article? Haha! He's been honest at least, saying what he's trying to do. He's been right about Swansea in that respect, Rodgers and Martinez both played the football that Laudrup has them playing so there's been no tippy tappy over midnight. There's loads of other points but overall I agree with the poster that said it's basically common sense! Now strike me down if you need to but I think he just hasn't had the players to suit his style this season, his fault sure, but given two pacey wingers with a cross we'd be laughing this season. So I think he's right in the sense that his system works, just not with the current players we have as such. Again, his fault. Comforting to know at least if he had another summer at the club he could have players in for his working system once more and worst comes to worst we'd be better next season than we are this season. Nice to hint about Kightly and Adam possibly playing more of a part in the season now on though. Looks like he might finally have grasped something in terms of the impact they can provide. Lets put this having 2 pacey wingers would sort out our problems to bed. Firstly it's his fault we haven't got them and secondly having 2 pacey wingers and no creativity elsewhere in the team won't solve our problems, the malaise is much deeper than that. When we had Pennant and Etherington firing on all cylinders we were good for a while but without the outlet of Fuller teams quickly realised that they could easily negate the threat by doubling up on the wingers, pushing them back and denying them space to run at them. Normally that would give space for centre midfielders, creative or otherwise and full backs et al to use the space but under Tony's tactics these people are caged, therefore we lump it up aimlessly to static forwards who are unsuitable for the role they are being asked to play. We need to evolve tactically as a team and have creativity all over the pitch, this doesn't mean we have to throw out the basics, but it does mean that players have to be trusted, be allowed to express themselves and be flexible in their approach. We have got to learn how to pass and move again, tactically we have to be diverse in our approach to games and not be a one trick pony, if one avenue of threat is negated we should be able to switch tactically or use other outlets. Our full backs need to get forward at the right times to support and create space for our wingers (it's not a new concept, Marsh and Pejic did it all the time and you see it all the time at other clubs). We are crying out for creativity in the centre of the park but we have a plethora of defensive mid-fielders, we have possibilities with Adam and Cuvelier but look what has happened to them. As a team we are one dimensional and easy to read and that's down to one man and one man only, we will not evolve under Tony, that is plain to see on the pitch and in his record over the years, we need change now if we want to stay in the premiership, become self sufficient to an extent, encourage our youth policy and progress. Tony, no matter what he is saying, doesn't have this vision, will not change the way he plays or his ethos on all things football, therefore we need to change the manager.
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Post by greyman on Apr 10, 2013 10:44:06 GMT
...I guess I'm the only one that kind of liked the article? Haha! He's been honest at least, saying what he's trying to do. He's been right about Swansea in that respect, Rodgers and Martinez both played the football that Laudrup has them playing so there's been no tippy tappy over midnight. There's loads of other points but overall I agree with the poster that said it's basically common sense! Now strike me down if you need to but I think he just hasn't had the players to suit his style this season, his fault sure, but given two pacey wingers with a cross we'd be laughing this season. So I think he's right in the sense that his system works, just not with the current players we have as such. Again, his fault. Comforting to know at least if he had another summer at the club he could have players in for his working system once more and worst comes to worst we'd be better next season than we are this season. Nice to hint about Kightly and Adam possibly playing more of a part in the season now on though. Looks like he might finally have grasped something in terms of the impact they can provide. Lets put this having 2 pacey wingers would sort out our problems to bed. Firstly it's his fault we haven't got them and secondly having 2 pacey wingers and no creativity elsewhere in the team won't solve our problems, the malaise is much deeper than that. When we had Pennant and Etherington firing on all cylinders we were good for a while but without the outlet of Fuller teams quickly realised that they could easily negate the threat by doubling up on the wingers, pushing them back and denying them space to run at them. Normally that would give space for centre midfielders, creative or otherwise and full backs et al to use the space but under Tony's tactics these people are caged, therefore we lump it up aimlessly to static forwards who are unsuitable for the role they are being asked to play. We need to evolve tactically as a team and have creativity all over the pitch, this doesn't mean we have to throw out the basics, but it does mean that players have to be trusted, be allowed to express themselves and be flexible in their approach. We have got to learn how to pass and move again, tactically we have to be diverse in our approach to games and not be a one trick pony, if one avenue of threat is negated we should be able to switch tactically or use other outlets. Our full backs need to get forward at the right times to support and create space for our wingers (it's not a new concept, Marsh and Pejic did it all the time and you see it all the time at other clubs). We are crying out for creativity in the centre of the park but we have a plethora of defensive mid-fielders, we have possibilities with Adam and Cuvelier but look what has happened to them. As a team we are one dimensional and easy to read and that's down to one man and one man only, we will not evolve under Tony, that is plain to see on the pitch and in his record over the years, we need change now if we want to stay in the premiership, become self sufficient to an extent, encourage our youth policy and progress. Tony, no matter what he is saying, doesn't have this vision, will not change the way he plays or his ethos on all things football, therefore we need to change the manager. Bang on the money for me. It's why we don't score from open play so all opponents have to do is maintain discipline at set pieces and we're screwed.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 10, 2013 11:04:38 GMT
Wow!! There's some good quotes in there..... I can't decide if I fucking love having a properly unhinged manager in charge. Like a pissed-up smackhead driving the rides at Alton Towers with no STOP button Or, I feel a little sorry for the fella who is obviously just an unhinged manager Surely TP has got to publicly bollock this Graeme Bryce journo for these spurious 'allegations' or are they true?? Surely not!!
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Post by jstoke7 on Apr 10, 2013 11:30:01 GMT
...I guess I'm the only one that kind of liked the article? Haha! He's been honest at least, saying what he's trying to do. He's been right about Swansea in that respect, Rodgers and Martinez both played the football that Laudrup has them playing so there's been no tippy tappy over midnight. There's loads of other points but overall I agree with the poster that said it's basically common sense! Now strike me down if you need to but I think he just hasn't had the players to suit his style this season, his fault sure, but given two pacey wingers with a cross we'd be laughing this season. So I think he's right in the sense that his system works, just not with the current players we have as such. Again, his fault. Comforting to know at least if he had another summer at the club he could have players in for his working system once more and worst comes to worst we'd be better next season than we are this season. Nice to hint about Kightly and Adam possibly playing more of a part in the season now on though. Looks like he might finally have grasped something in terms of the impact they can provide. Lets put this having 2 pacey wingers would sort out our problems to bed. Firstly it's his fault we haven't got them and secondly having 2 pacey wingers and no creativity elsewhere in the team won't solve our problems, the malaise is much deeper than that. When we had Pennant and Etherington firing on all cylinders we were good for a while but without the outlet of Fuller teams quickly realised that they could easily negate the threat by doubling up on the wingers, pushing them back and denying them space to run at them. Normally that would give space for centre midfielders, creative or otherwise and full backs et al to use the space but under Tony's tactics these people are caged, therefore we lump it up aimlessly to static forwards who are unsuitable for the role they are being asked to play. We need to evolve tactically as a team and have creativity all over the pitch, this doesn't mean we have to throw out the basics, but it does mean that players have to be trusted, be allowed to express themselves and be flexible in their approach. We have got to learn how to pass and move again, tactically we have to be diverse in our approach to games and not be a one trick pony, if one avenue of threat is negated we should be able to switch tactically or use other outlets. Our full backs need to get forward at the right times to support and create space for our wingers (it's not a new concept, Marsh and Pejic did it all the time and you see it all the time at other clubs). We are crying out for creativity in the centre of the park but we have a plethora of defensive mid-fielders, we have possibilities with Adam and Cuvelier but look what has happened to them. As a team we are one dimensional and easy to read and that's down to one man and one man only, we will not evolve under Tony, that is plain to see on the pitch and in his record over the years, we need change now if we want to stay in the premiership, become self sufficient to an extent, encourage our youth policy and progress. Tony, no matter what he is saying, doesn't have this vision, will not change the way he plays or his ethos on all things football, therefore we need to change the manager. Spot on. This idea that 2 decent wingers and we'd be laughing is silly, I'm not saying it wouldn't improve us, of course it would, but it is in no way the solution in the long term.
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Post by mark71 on Apr 10, 2013 11:50:59 GMT
I know he has been given a lot of cash to spend. The problem here though is more complicated. Firstly would top international players, at the height of their careers, come to Stoke. Secondly what is Stoke's wage structure, are they able to compete with the top clubs? Maybe they are, I'm just asking the question. How many top international players do we have, Crouch, Jones, Adam, Palacios, Shea, Cameron, Begovic, Whelan, Wilson, Walters. Not to mention one of the best goal scorers this country has ever seen. Swansea and west brom have done much better than us whilst spending a fraction of our budget.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Apr 10, 2013 11:55:23 GMT
To be fair to Tone, Ronaldo and Bale would be ace in our team.
Both big, physical, pacey and good in the air.
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