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Post by MrMagic on Apr 10, 2013 11:56:15 GMT
I know he has been given a lot of cash to spend. The problem here though is more complicated. Firstly would top international players, at the height of their careers, come to Stoke. Secondly what is Stoke's wage structure, are they able to compete with the top clubs? Maybe they are, I'm just asking the question. How many top international players do we have, Crouch, Jones, Adam, Palacios, Shea, Cameron, Begovic, Whelan, Wilson, Walters. Not to mention one of the best goal scorers this country has ever seen. Swansea and west brom have done much better than us whilst spending a fraction of our budget. The problem isn't the players we are able to attract. It's the players that he's willing to play. This article is infuriating as he's completely sidestepping any element of responsibility around not fielding his strongest or most balanced side. He's also either lying through his teeth about his preferred style, or has no awareness that he's saying one thing and doing another. As mustard says, non of this is a surprise, as Pulis has forged a career from telling lies. This set of porkies is just far more bare-faced than his usual fare.
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Post by jonnynico on Apr 10, 2013 12:01:32 GMT
Its a good job cheddleton hospital has closed or they'd be going for him with a straight jacket
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 10, 2013 12:02:40 GMT
To be fair to Tone, Ronaldo and Bale would be ace in our team. Both big, physical, pacey and good in the air. Bale would just about fit the system. He wouldnt have a fucking clue what to do with Ronaldo.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 10, 2013 12:06:57 GMT
To be fair to Tone, Ronaldo and Bale would be ace in our team. Both big, physical, pacey and good in the air. Bale would just about fit the system. He wouldnt have a fucking clue what to do with Ronaldo. I don't think Ronaldo would end up on the wing - either of the front two roles
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Post by Dave the Rave on Apr 10, 2013 12:11:12 GMT
Go get em' Tone!
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Post by dadofsam on Apr 10, 2013 12:19:36 GMT
What's that about him resigning after the Villa match?
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Post by jstoke7 on Apr 10, 2013 12:19:48 GMT
To be fair to Tone, Ronaldo and Bale would be ace in our team. Both big, physical, pacey and good in the air. Bale would just about fit the system. He wouldnt have a fucking clue what to do with Ronaldo. We'd somehow manage to nullify the threat of Bale and Ronaldo by them being in our team with Pulis in charge. When players defensive duties are the priority, you also take away a lot of attacking threat, Bale would be expending his energy chasing the opposition and running back towards his own goal.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 10, 2013 12:25:26 GMT
Bale would just about fit the system. He wouldnt have a fucking clue what to do with Ronaldo. We'd somehow manage to nullify the threat of Bale and Ronaldo by them being in our team with Pulis in charge. When players defensive duties are the priority, you also take away a lot of attacking threat, Bale would be expending his energy chasing the opposition and running back towards his own goal. Yeah it would certainly be horrible to witness. For a start I think Ronaldo would refuse to play under such an incompetent manager.It would be horrible to watch one of the greatest players of all time lose his ability overnight. Thankfully, for the sake of the game, Pulis wont be managing Cristiano any time soon!
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Post by Alvechurch Assassin on Apr 10, 2013 12:28:39 GMT
I even think Messi would look good in our team, he may miss the odd tackle but would more often than not find Crouch with a long ball from full back.
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Post by rawli on Apr 10, 2013 12:28:55 GMT
...I guess I'm the only one that kind of liked the article? Haha! He's been honest at least, saying what he's trying to do. He's been right about Swansea in that respect, Rodgers and Martinez both played the football that Laudrup has them playing so there's been no tippy tappy over midnight. There's loads of other points but overall I agree with the poster that said it's basically common sense! Now strike me down if you need to but I think he just hasn't had the players to suit his style this season, his fault sure, but given two pacey wingers with a cross we'd be laughing this season. So I think he's right in the sense that his system works, just not with the current players we have as such. Again, his fault. Comforting to know at least if he had another summer at the club he could have players in for his working system once more and worst comes to worst we'd be better next season than we are this season. Nice to hint about Kightly and Adam possibly playing more of a part in the season now on though. Looks like he might finally have grasped something in terms of the impact they can provide. Lets put this having 2 pacey wingers would sort out our problems to bed. Firstly it's his fault we haven't got them and secondly having 2 pacey wingers and no creativity elsewhere in the team won't solve our problems, the malaise is much deeper than that. When we had Pennant and Etherington firing on all cylinders we were good for a while but without the outlet of Fuller teams quickly realised that they could easily negate the threat by doubling up on the wingers, pushing them back and denying them space to run at them. Normally that would give space for centre midfielders, creative or otherwise and full backs et al to use the space but under Tony's tactics these people are caged, therefore we lump it up aimlessly to static forwards who are unsuitable for the role they are being asked to play. We need to evolve tactically as a team and have creativity all over the pitch, this doesn't mean we have to throw out the basics, but it does mean that players have to be trusted, be allowed to express themselves and be flexible in their approach. We have got to learn how to pass and move again, tactically we have to be diverse in our approach to games and not be a one trick pony, if one avenue of threat is negated we should be able to switch tactically or use other outlets. Our full backs need to get forward at the right times to support and create space for our wingers (it's not a new concept, Marsh and Pejic did it all the time and you see it all the time at other clubs). We are crying out for creativity in the centre of the park but we have a plethora of defensive mid-fielders, we have possibilities with Adam and Cuvelier but look what has happened to them. As a team we are one dimensional and easy to read and that's down to one man and one man only, we will not evolve under Tony, that is plain to see on the pitch and in his record over the years, we need change now if we want to stay in the premiership, become self sufficient to an extent, encourage our youth policy and progress. Tony, no matter what he is saying, doesn't have this vision, will not change the way he plays or his ethos on all things football, therefore we need to change the manager. Think you are spot on with this. I think it was Newcastle at home last season who doubled up on the wingers and we simply didn't have a clue what to do. Throw into the mix that neither of the wingers we have have pace or guile any more then we have become a soft touch. We no longer have the throw so that's another chance to attack gone. That leaves set pieces that have also been a lot weaker - just look how few goals the central defenders score now. Rather than addressing it he is bemoaning luck. You really do make your own luck.
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Post by ohbottom on Apr 10, 2013 13:20:36 GMT
To be fair to Tone, Ronaldo and Bale would be ace in our team. Both big, physical, pacey and good in the air. But Ronaldo doesn't track back to protect the FB, and Bale is a diver. So they'd both be frozen out.
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Post by burberrybassist on Apr 10, 2013 13:34:45 GMT
Reading that interview I could imagine he is aiming all those points at potential new employers over the summer. He comes across as a really in tune, progressive manager, which he knows us Stoke fans aren't going to fall for! Maybe bringing Ronaldo into the equation he's hoping to take over at Real Madrid
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Post by hiscoxy on Apr 10, 2013 13:40:10 GMT
To be fair to Tone, Ronaldo and Bale would be ace in our team. Both big, physical, pacey and good in the air. Your right, but the rest of what he said is lunacy. At least he didn't mention someone like Messi, then we would know hes completely lost it.
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Post by Davef on Apr 10, 2013 13:56:37 GMT
Oh, I see. Tone's on a big elaborate wind up now is he, taking the piss out of all of his detractors and have a good chuckle with Kempo behind his hands? He could probably have done that when he was getting the Cup Final, leading his team into Europe and giving the likes of Arsene Wenger a bloody nose. Not now though. Not when his football is leading our club down Lavatory Alley and he can only beat teams who end up, or will end up, being relegated. Daft post.
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Post by paulinespens on Apr 10, 2013 13:59:14 GMT
Whatever your views on Tone, that is quite a bizarre interview. He's on a wind up pal. He has to be.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Apr 10, 2013 14:12:04 GMT
I know he has been given a lot of cash to spend. The problem here though is more complicated. Firstly would top international players, at the height of their careers, come to Stoke. Secondly what is Stoke's wage structure, are they able to compete with the top clubs? Maybe they are, I'm just asking the question. The problem is more complicated, you're correct. The problem is Tone thinking you can stick any player with a bit of a high profile name into our system and just magically expect it to work. It doesn't and it hasn't. Isn't that what the fans want though Jamo, playing devils advocate a bit. Let's say theoretically speaking that we stuck with the same team that played in the cup final last season and this season and we finished 12th in both, still playing the same way/system. Wouldn't we all be crying out for TP to go and sign someone like Crouch for example ? And possibly for him to go if he didn't?
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Post by fortressbritannia on Apr 10, 2013 14:52:40 GMT
There's nothing to defend with our style of play 99.9% of Stokies are perfectly happy with Pulisball, the issue is this half-arsed version of it with overrated players nailed on to start while our superior players are left on the bench.
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Post by ladyinred on Apr 10, 2013 14:53:14 GMT
Didn't we sign the 'US Version' of Gareth Bale? Think his name was O'Shea
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 10, 2013 14:53:48 GMT
Financial restrictions? Is he taking the piss or what.
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Post by Godo on Apr 10, 2013 14:55:58 GMT
Shouldn't Coates just step in now and tell him to shut the fuck up! It's not as if fans of the other clubs in the premiership haven't seen just how shit Pulis-ball is. Who is he trying to convince with this incessant stream of bollocks?
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Post by burberrybassist on Apr 10, 2013 15:02:08 GMT
Pulis-ball is ace when it's done well! The main issue for me is as stated in TP's interview today, he likes wingers charging down the pitch. We haven't had two fully fit/inform wingers for an entire season.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 15:07:25 GMT
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Post by watcher on Apr 10, 2013 15:08:48 GMT
Reading this gem of an article made me laugh if nowt else.Pace down the wings? then why sign kightly? why play walters there when jeromes quicker?
Evolving! I would say villa are an evolving side compared to how they played last season and how long has that taken?
Lets face it,Pulis has no intention nor never has of evolving in any way.To anyone outside the club who dont watch us then it looks like a good story but to us who do see whats really going on its a laughable piece at best and at worst a piss take to all stokies!
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Post by nott1 on Apr 10, 2013 15:10:19 GMT
Pulis-ball is ace when it's done well! The main issue for me is as stated in TP's interview today, he likes wingers charging down the pitch. We haven't had two fully fit/inform wingers for an entire season. Trouble is, one is unfit, one isn't up to the job, one is in the dog house and the other is not Stoke fit!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 10, 2013 15:11:05 GMT
Very true, there's nothing wrong with it when done well, but as others have said its been some time since he played that way, I think he was hoping Kightly was going to sort out the right and Ethers getting back to form, but unfortunately this didn't work out, and for what ever reason he didn't have any back up options, unless Shotton was meant to be his back up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 15:17:56 GMT
Lets not pretedn Pulis ball has ever been good to watch as it hasn't. Lets not pretend that if done right it good to watch as it isn't.
Most Stoke fans tolerated it as it got results, but as with anything that's living 30 years in the past it will get left behind.
Also please don't mention around the time of the FA cup run as that was more like normal football that most teams play.
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Post by fca47 on Apr 10, 2013 15:20:16 GMT
It is a bit of a joke, when he is asking for more time and pleading poverty, in that his poor management has meant a regression in results and style of play. It seems the longer the time and the greater the amount of money he is given the worse we become. He should own up and say our transfers have been a disaster and he will have to do better.
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Post by jstoke7 on Apr 10, 2013 15:20:51 GMT
I think this sums up this apparent 'proper Pulisball'. Lets put this having 2 pacey wingers would sort out our problems to bed. Firstly it's his fault we haven't got them and secondly having 2 pacey wingers and no creativity elsewhere in the team won't solve our problems, the malaise is much deeper than that. When we had Pennant and Etherington firing on all cylinders we were good for a while but without the outlet of Fuller teams quickly realised that they could easily negate the threat by doubling up on the wingers, pushing them back and denying them space to run at them. Normally that would give space for centre midfielders, creative or otherwise and full backs et al to use the space but under Tony's tactics these people are caged, therefore we lump it up aimlessly to static forwards who are unsuitable for the role they are being asked to play. We need to evolve tactically as a team and have creativity all over the pitch, this doesn't mean we have to throw out the basics, but it does mean that players have to be trusted, be allowed to express themselves and be flexible in their approach. We have got to learn how to pass and move again, tactically we have to be diverse in our approach to games and not be a one trick pony, if one avenue of threat is negated we should be able to switch tactically or use other outlets. Our full backs need to get forward at the right times to support and create space for our wingers (it's not a new concept, Marsh and Pejic did it all the time and you see it all the time at other clubs). We are crying out for creativity in the centre of the park but we have a plethora of defensive mid-fielders, we have possibilities with Adam and Cuvelier but look what has happened to them. As a team we are one dimensional and easy to read and that's down to one man and one man only, we will not evolve under Tony, that is plain to see on the pitch and in his record over the years, we need change now if we want to stay in the premiership, become self sufficient to an extent, encourage our youth policy and progress. Tony, no matter what he is saying, doesn't have this vision, will not change the way he plays or his ethos on all things football, therefore we need to change the manager.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 15:21:04 GMT
Lets not pretedn Pulis ball has ever been good to watch as it hasn't. Lets not pretend that if done right it good to watch as it isn't. Most Stoke fans tolerated it as it got results, but as with anything that's living 30 years in the past it will get left behind. Also please don't mention around the time of the FA cup run as that was more like normal football that most teams play. It was great to watch at Wembley, It was no different just done well
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 10, 2013 15:22:07 GMT
There's nothing to defend with our style of play 99.9% of Stokies are perfectly happy with Pulisball, .... I must be the point 1 then.
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