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Post by harrysburrow on Oct 19, 2012 20:57:54 GMT
Bloody hell plastic. That's put the "get a grip" brigade well and truly in their place dude! I suppose all that brainwave frequency stuff is a more healthy approach than anti depressants?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2012 23:30:51 GMT
There are established correlations between EEG brainwave patterns and depression, the most common showing a lower than expected level of alpha frequency(8-12 Hz) in the left prefrontal lobe (above and to the left of your left eye) and an excess of beta waves (15-25 Hz) in the right prefrontal lobe of the cerebral cortex. Neurofeedback (EEG biofeedback) training has been found to be effective in treating depression by restoring the levels of the brainwaves. Finding a neurofeedback therapist is not easy however. Thats what ive been thinking !  |
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Post by swampySCFC on Oct 19, 2012 23:56:12 GMT
I think I'll ring in with stress on Monday. That should get me a couple of weeks off work |
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Post by maxplonk on Oct 20, 2012 6:08:03 GMT
There are established correlations between EEG brainwave patterns and depression, the most common showing a lower than expected level of alpha frequency(8-12 Hz) in the left prefrontal lobe (above and to the left of your left eye) and an excess of beta waves (15-25 Hz) in the right prefrontal lobe of the cerebral cortex. Neurofeedback (EEG biofeedback) training has been found to be effective in treating depression by restoring the levels of the brainwaves. Finding a neurofeedback therapist is not easy however. Thats what ive been thinking ! Great minds, mate  |
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Post by maxplonk on Oct 20, 2012 6:16:20 GMT
Bloody hell plastic. That's put the "get a grip" brigade well and truly in their place dude! I suppose all that brainwave frequency stuff is a more healthy approach than anti depressants? The thing about neurofeedback training is that the patient is active in learning to alter the brainwave patterns, whereas with the meds, the patient is completely totally passive (apart from popping the pills in the first place.) The thing is, the "Get a grip" approach does actually work for a very small number of sufferers but it would be unethical for any doctor or therapist to prescribe it as a course of treatment(!) It certainly didn't work for me  There's a very readable book about the history and development of neurofeedback; www.amazon.com/Symphony-Brain-Evolution-Wave-Biofeedback/dp/0871138077Meanwhile, back to the conference: www.dgbfb.de/index.php/en/ |
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Post by barneyrebel on Oct 20, 2012 8:42:20 GMT
The uneducated will not understand it because people are only just starting to talk about it, it was seen as been weak years ago, and more and more people are admitting to their issues because of recent celebs coming out and talking about it, Stan collymore and Marcus trescothick to name a few which is a really a good thing, the uneducated don't anger me, i just feel sorry for them, let's just hope none of their nearest and dearest get any problems because all they'll get is *get a grip*..but we all know that won't happen will it ?
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Post by jbdotco on Oct 20, 2012 9:18:32 GMT
I think I'll ring in with stress on Monday. That should get me a couple of weeks off work To be honest mate I do understand your cynicism because before I suffered from it I thought the same, and you're probably right, some people will milk it and play on it but that's not what this thread is about. Unfortunately the only way you'll understand it properly is if you or someone close to you suffers from it, which I hope never happens. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2012 10:06:30 GMT
It never ceases to amaze me that people with Swampyscfc's lack of understanding actually manage to successfully buy and operate a computer. Depression can be caused by a number of things, not least a chemical imbalance in the brain. Similarly, diabetes is a chemical imbalance in the pancreas, yet you don't get Swampy like muppets accusing diabetics of shirking or needing to get a grip! I guess it's just too difficult to understand for some folk. Correct mate ! Remind me not to let on to Swampy that I'm also a Diabetic , I couldn't cope with any more of his words of wisdom ! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2012 10:52:34 GMT
I think I'll ring in with stress on Monday. That should get me a couple of weeks off work To be honest mate I do understand your cynicism because before I suffered from it I thought the same, and you're probably right, some people will milk it and play on it but that's not what this thread is about. Unfortunately the only way you'll understand it properly is if you or someone close to you suffers from it, which I hope never happens. First of all, I hope you get sorted with your depression, Barry. Best of luck. Second, (and this isn't a go at you, Barry) why does it have to be that you have to experience something to be able to understand it? I realise it helps, but what's wrong with taking some time to find out about something, especially if you don't understand it? Failing that, simply keeping ill-informed opinions to yourself if you can't be bothered to try to understand! Imo, that's one of the things that characterises this board, the fact that some folk are very quick to jump on others while demonstrating quite clearly a deep lack of understanding. Probably the nature of social media in general, everyone's got to have their say even if they know fuck all about what they are discussing ;D |
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Post by therethere on Oct 21, 2012 8:47:41 GMT
Having had repeated episodes of depression since i was a child, i suffered a complete emotional breakdown in 2009 ( in my mid 40s ). Been on several types of anti-depressants and had counselling on many occasions. The reason people keep it bottled up ? Shame , stigma and feeling a burden to others. Pretty much every night during 2009 my wish was to not wake the next day and when i did, felt crushed. I became totally convinced that my Wife and kids would be better off without me around and quietly planned my demise i.e the date away from kids birthdays, xmas etc. away from home , sorting finances , writing letters.  My counseller was fantastic and kept me afloat but what i am most grateful to her for ? She gave me a leaflet for a local charity  The staff and volunteers have all suffered anxiety and depression but have learned how to manage it. So i met people who understand, empathise , give me practical knowledge and above all HOPE Their offices are opposite the Old Victoria Ground next to the Vic pub. Everything they offer is FREE  and immediately available ( i had to wait months for therapy )  Not sure how post the link on here but , PLEASE ,for anyone suffering Type CHANGES into GOOGLE and have a look at the help on offer. Best thing i ever did and i hope so for every one of you too  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2012 9:30:37 GMT
Having had repeated episodes of depression since i was a child, i suffered a complete emotional breakdown in 2009 ( in my mid 40s ). Been on several types of anti-depressants and had counselling on many occasions. The reason people keep it bottled up ? Shame , stigma and feeling a burden to others. Pretty much every night during 2009 my wish was to not wake the next day and when i did, felt crushed. I became totally convinced that my Wife and kids would be better off without me around and quietly planned my demise i.e the date away from kids birthdays, xmas etc. away from home , sorting finances , writing letters. My counseller was fantastic and kept me afloat but what i am most grateful to her for ? She gave me a leaflet for a local charity The staff and volunteers have all suffered anxiety and depression but have learned how to manage it. So i met people who understand, empathise , give me practical knowledge and above all HOPE Their offices are opposite the Old Victoria Ground next to the Vic pub. Everything they offer is FREE and immediately available ( i had to wait months for therapy ) Not sure how post the link on here but , PLEASE ,for anyone suffering Type CHANGES into GOOGLE and have a look at the help on offer. Best thing i ever did and i hope so for every one of you too That's very good advice ,it certainly helps to chat with people who know first hand how you are feeling |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Oct 21, 2012 15:42:23 GMT
I think I'll ring in with stress on Monday. That should get me a couple of weeks off work If you want to live in the 40s that is your prerogative, but please, do not spread vitriol regarding this subject. Depression is a clinical disorder, with causes and treatment like any other ailment. It may not manifest itself in the form of life threatening symptoms or a tumour, but it can be equally as destructive. |
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Post by jamlander on Oct 21, 2012 16:10:27 GMT
I think I'll ring in with stress on Monday. That should get me a couple of weeks off work You are on a wind up? If the three pages on here are enough to persuade you that there's something in it then try the 12 or so on 1863 |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 21, 2012 17:02:24 GMT
Some people on here are incredibly ignorant.
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Post by harrysburrow on Oct 21, 2012 21:28:42 GMT
Swampy was serious at the start of the thread. Now he's on a wind up.
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