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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2012 15:13:53 GMT
That's an interesting theory mate ...you are right about comedians Tony Hancock was probably the most well known example Bisp, I have worked with many 'new' comics and seriously many of them go through spells, it's is not a taboo in that community either. It's good that its not taboo , it can only be helpful to be able to talk about it. Unfortunately even though it is as widespread as it is , there is still a stigma attached to any form of mental illness, this is why most people keep it all bottled up inside, you become wary of being ridiculed, this is the first time I've ever talked about it, but it's much easier on here when you aren't know to anyone else |
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Post by offthewall on Oct 18, 2012 15:47:07 GMT
You are not alone mate, loads of people suffer. Good on yer for saying. No stigma from me.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 18, 2012 16:07:05 GMT
Depression is not just extremely unpleasant to deal with , it can be downright scary!!
People who think you should get a grip are obviously severely lacking in empathy for other people, either that or they think they're being funny.
I have the opinion that whilst some have a tendency towards experiencing this condition endogenously that it can also be brought on by viral illnesses i.e. bad 'flu , pneumonia etc. and also by taking certain prescription meds such as strong antibiotics , anti-malarial's and painkillers.
I have come across this cause ( medication poisoning ) amongst members of my family and the solution involved time ( i.e. sitting out the subsequent shit storm for as long as necessary ), care and consideration from friends and family....... AND definitely no subsequent medications such as SRI's ( not saying they never work BUT watch out they can badly exacerbate the problem sometimes ) . Cognitive Behavioral Therapy is no good either ....seems to be some Americanised everything is in the mind crap as far as I can tell.
Anyone currently in this bad place has my best wishes
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Post by pricey21 on Oct 18, 2012 16:14:48 GMT
I've suffered from severe depression for about a year now. I lose interest in things all the time and every day I feel tired. Its horrible and not many people understand what it feels like which is very frustrating. Any tips would be nice if there is even any.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 18, 2012 16:19:02 GMT
I've suffered from severe depression for about a year now. I lose interest in things all the time and every day I feel tired. Its horrible and not many people understand what it feels like which is very frustrating. Any tips would be nice if there is even any. don't let your GP bounce you around from drug to drug. Try herbalism it's much gentler on the body/mind. |
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Post by pricey21 on Oct 18, 2012 16:21:38 GMT
Was on citalopram 20mg for about 6 months then doubled to 40mg because it wasn't really doing that much. Not having a job doesn't really help either.
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 18, 2012 16:26:53 GMT
My ex wife had very bad Puerperal psycosis after our 2 kids were born . She changed into a raving monster , she thought our son was John the baptist and I was trying to kill him , also tesco lorries were trying to run us off the road.got up for work one day to find all the things we had as wedding presents on the front lawn , they were evil too , lots more things happened it went on for a year till we found a great private doctor who treated it with H.R.T.sorted in a week
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 18, 2012 16:30:35 GMT
After spending almost 2 years of not letting anyone in after my dad died, I had a minor breakdown in October last year (around my 19th birthday). That's when I told my mum and step-dad everything and they took me to see the doctor who offered anti-dep and counselling at some company called Mind. The medication never really seemed to work and the counselling was.. an experience to say the least. I mean I appreciate what they do (Mind in particular, who help a lot of younger people get over depression caused by horrible things) but after 6 or so hours of explaining my situation to her, it felt like she didn't have the answers I was seeking. My depression was brought on by pretty rare circumstances and I think it's hard for anyone to offer me any sort of advice. My mum refuses to (she buries her head in the sand), my step dad tries and the 2 professionals I've seen over the last year don't quite get it. I've just learnt to live with it now. Unfortunately Mint counselling can take hours and hours of painstaking work by both you and the cousellor. Counsellors generally are not there to give you answers. Rather they listen and try and signpost you or help you to make your own way forward to find the answers you are seeking yourself. I wish you well for the future mate. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2012 16:42:48 GMT
Was on citalopram 20mg for about 6 months then doubled to 40mg because it wasn't really doing that much. Not having a job doesn't really help either. Its really hard when you have time on your hands to ruminate on your condition. have you thought about voluntary work? It would help to give you another focus. Exercise is great too, it really helps. Even its just a brisk walk somewhere it will help. Try reading Claire Weekes, its ages old but very relevant. The Happiness Trap is a good read as well. At Last a Life by Paul David is great especially if you suffer from anxiety. It can help to talk so contact MIND, its free but you may have to wait. Hope thats of some help. |
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 18, 2012 16:44:15 GMT
Was on citalopram 20mg for about 6 months then doubled to 40mg because it wasn't really doing that much. Not having a job doesn't really help either. Doctors always up the dose when these tabs. don't work ( maybe they should try lower doses in the first place ). Now your on medication if the doc wants to try another med, due to the ineffectiveness of the Citalopram, I would suggest another SSRI i.e. Prozac ( DEFINITELY not Seroxat ) as it can help to protect from the dis-continuation of the Citalopram There's loads of info on the net about SSRI dis-continuation syndrome ( it is worrying though so be careful if your suggestible and get a concerned family member/friend to research it for you ) DO NOT come off these tablets quickly it can be disastrous. Coming off the meds should be done very, very gradually and slowly i.e. over a period of many months. anywhere up to up to 2 years. Depends why your depressed really, but St. john's Wort is known to be effective as is 5HTP ( both available at Holland + Barrett or e-bay etc ). If it's due to a bereavement or something else maybe a support group could help. Try to take back control of your life if possible. I would emphasize that these are my thoughts based on personal experience. |
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Oct 18, 2012 16:45:17 GMT
Anxiety and depression is the most common thing patients consult their GP about. It is rife. The mental health services are completely under resourced. If you consult your GP he will invariably dole out tablets. This is not the answer. Exercise programmes, CBT, Counselling are the way forward. Depression respects no-one. It pisses me off when people say "get a grip" They haven't he first idea. Spot on mate. I ain't going to to get into it too much but i have experienced someone very close to me suffer in silence and only recently have they actually broken out of the bubble and got help. They refused to take the pills as they didn't want be a slave to a drug so they have gone about it a different way. It's working and the change is fantastic. It's going to be a slow rocky ride but with patience and understanding the darkness will light up a bit. |
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Post by offthewall on Oct 18, 2012 16:46:02 GMT
Try to take back control of your life if possible. I think THIS is good advice  |
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Post by swanster on Oct 18, 2012 18:43:33 GMT
I work with someone who helps people with all kinds of mental health issues.
It's unbelievable just how ineffective anti-depressants really are. They are just designed to deal with the symptoms of the depression rather than the underlying causes.
And it's also shocking just how much of a default option they are for the NHS. It's so easy for GPs to just write a prescription instead of taking the time to help someone understand why they are depressed.
The company I work with is called Anxiety Clinic. They may be able to help if anti-depressants are not working for you.
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Post by offthewall on Oct 18, 2012 18:51:55 GMT
Dont get me started on the link between Doctors and drug companies  |
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Oct 18, 2012 19:24:49 GMT
After spending almost 2 years of not letting anyone in after my dad died, I had a minor breakdown in October last year (around my 19th birthday). That's when I told my mum and step-dad everything and they took me to see the doctor who offered anti-dep and counselling at some company called Mind. The medication never really seemed to work and the counselling was.. an experience to say the least. I mean I appreciate what they do (Mind in particular, who help a lot of younger people get over depression caused by horrible things) but after 6 or so hours of explaining my situation to her, it felt like she didn't have the answers I was seeking. My depression was brought on by pretty rare circumstances and I think it's hard for anyone to offer me any sort of advice. My mum refuses to (she buries her head in the sand), my step dad tries and the 2 professionals I've seen over the last year don't quite get it. I've just learnt to live with it now. Unfortunately Mint counselling can take hours and hours of painstaking work by both you and the cousellor. Counsellors generally are not there to give you answers. Rather they listen and try and signpost you or help you to make your own way forward to find the answers you are seeking yourself. I wish you well for the future mate. Thanks for the well wishes. Yeah, I came to realize that a few weeks after dropping the sessions. I just hate to talk about it to other people, and the fact I'm so open about it on here is even surprising myself. |
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Post by onmebonce on Oct 18, 2012 19:27:22 GMT
always depressed!!!!!!!!!!! couldnt even be arsed read too much of this thread it was depressing then clicked back to my thread and no pet heads on here so even more depressed
won on horses tho so thats ol but still fucking depressed ggggrrrrrrrr
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Post by harrysburrow on Oct 18, 2012 19:43:31 GMT
I've had it twice over the past 12 years. On both occasions it followed unpleasant bouts of illness, rather than being anything to do with life "circumstances". The first was prostatitis (which I also wouldn't wish on anyone), the second time I was on Citalopram while I went through the process of getting used to Tinitus. (Might sound a bit soft as it's not life threatening, but it drove me up the wall for the first few months). Sorry about the waffle, but my point is clinical depression is bugger all to to with "getting a grip"' or having a thicker skin. It's a chemical imbalance that's triggered and it's a bastard to cope with.
P.S. Sorry to hear about your stuff Bispham, us sensitive souls will just have to keep pluggin away aye mate!
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Post by diaoshairyballs on Oct 18, 2012 19:51:28 GMT
Anyone who says 'get a grip' is a poor misguided fool.
Hope it never darkens your door pal.
x
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 18, 2012 20:32:55 GMT
I've suffered from severe depression for about a year now. I lose interest in things all the time and every day I feel tired. Its horrible and not many people understand what it feels like which is very frustrating. Any tips would be nice if there is even any. St.Johns Wort, dance to some great music and a bit of positive thinking is a good start. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2012 20:44:15 GMT
I've had it twice over the past 12 years. On both occasions it followed unpleasant bouts of illness, rather than being anything to do with life "circumstances". The first was prostatitis (which I also wouldn't wish on anyone), the second time I was on Citalopram while I went through the process of getting used to Tinitus. (Might sound a bit soft as it's not life threatening, but it drove me up the wall for the first few months). Sorry about the waffle, but my point is clinical depression is bugger all to to with "getting a grip"' or having a thicker skin. It's a chemical imbalance that's triggered and it's a bastard to cope with. P.S. Sorry to hear about your stuff Bispham, us sensitive souls will just have to keep pluggin away aye mate! We will mate ! I just need a bigger treadmill !thanks |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Oct 18, 2012 21:31:30 GMT
Ive worked in various psychiatric hospitals and substance misuse unit s over the years and worked with a number of people who suffer from depression It is a bit of an 'umbrella' term which covers a huge number of behaviours In short, theres two types of depressive illness, 'indoginous' (to do with ones internal state of mind) and 'exogenous' (external/enviromental factors), most depressive states contain both but in different degrees
About the worst thing you can say to a depressed person is 'pull yourself together' Most depressed people dont want to suffer from the illness and have very little control over it Some people might be more prone to the illness because of their lifestyles (ie drug users/alchoholics) but for some it just happens irrespective of what sort of lives they lead For others (like me) it is a reaction to some catastrophic life event
I always considered myself lucky because I never suffered from it but a few years ago an operation my daughter had went wrong, she suffered brain damage, lost her vision and will spend the rest of her life in a wheelchair Shortly after I started to suffer from the condition and had to have nedication because I couldnt cope with the emotional pain of what happened I am much better now but have to have counselling
Depression is a very difficult subject for men to discuss because it means being honest and admitting that we have emotions and that doesnt always go down well on football boards
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Post by artvanderlay on Oct 18, 2012 21:36:25 GMT
I was depressed when we lost at Crewe 2-0. Not anymore.
Getting a grip might help? Im not saying it isnt.
But we all live a life and make choices. Lifes hard. Ups and downs but whats the answer? Years of fannying about or get a grip? Depression is an illness. Fuckwitted idiocy isn't. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2012 21:39:30 GMT
Ive worked in various psychiatric hospitals and substance misuse unit s over the years and worked with a number of people who suffer from depression It is a bit of an 'umbrella' term which covers a huge number of behaviours In short, theres two types of depressive illness, 'indoginous' (to do with ones internal state of mind) and 'exogenous' (external/enviromental factors), most depressive states contain both but in different degrees About the worst thing you can say to a depressed person is 'pull yourself together' Most depressed people dont want to suffer from the illness and have very little control over it I always considered myself lucky because I never suffered from it but a few years ago an operation my daughter had went wrong, she suffered brain damage, lost her vision and will spend the rest of her life in a wheelchair Shortly after I started to suffer from the condition and had to have nedication because I couldnt cope with the emotional pain of what happened I am much better now but have to have counselling Depression is a very difficult subject for men to discuss because it means being honest and admitting that we have emotions and that doesnt always go down well on football boards That's extremely well put |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Oct 18, 2012 21:46:08 GMT
Ive worked in various psychiatric hospitals and substance misuse unit s over the years and worked with a number of people who suffer from depression It is a bit of an 'umbrella' term which covers a huge number of behaviours In short, theres two types of depressive illness, 'indoginous' (to do with ones internal state of mind) and 'exogenous' (external/enviromental factors), most depressive states contain both but in different degrees About the worst thing you can say to a depressed person is 'pull yourself together' Most depressed people dont want to suffer from the illness and have very little control over it I always considered myself lucky because I never suffered from it but a few years ago an operation my daughter had went wrong, she suffered brain damage, lost her vision and will spend the rest of her life in a wheelchair Shortly after I started to suffer from the condition and had to have nedication because I couldnt cope with the emotional pain of what happened I am much better now but have to have counselling Depression is a very difficult subject for men to discuss because it means being honest and admitting that we have emotions and that doesnt always go down well on football boards That's extremely well put Cheers |
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Post by jbdotco on Oct 19, 2012 8:20:03 GMT
Thanks for all the replies. I don't agree with the first response but I understand it, I've been in the position where you've not suffered from it and it's very easy to dismiss as a serious issue. As I said in my post, it has nothing to do with your decision's in life a lot of the time. As with me last year there was no trigger, I had no idea what was causing it hence the confusion and difficulty to cope with it.
All I wanted from this thread is for people to be able to talk about it and share different ways people have come out of it to help others, because than can often be the biggest help even if the listeners are anonymous.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 19, 2012 10:58:38 GMT
Anxiety and depression is the most common thing patients consult their GP about. It is rife. The mental health services are completely under resourced. If you consult your GP he will invariably dole out tablets. This is not the answer. Exercise programmes, CBT, Counselling are the way forward. Depression respects no-one. It pisses me off when people say "get a grip" They haven't he first idea. Good post. When my wife was an area manager, in the area she took over well over half her managers were on anti-depressants. I bang on about the blood type diet  ;D but I'm convinced the food we eat relative to our blood type is one of the factors influencing this depression epidemic. Vigorous exercise is particularly important for O's to simulate the hunting activities of their ancestors. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2012 11:51:59 GMT
Anxiety and depression is the most common thing patients consult their GP about. It is rife. The mental health services are completely under resourced. If you consult your GP he will invariably dole out tablets. This is not the answer. Exercise programmes, CBT, Counselling are the way forward. Depression respects no-one. It pisses me off when people say "get a grip" They haven't he first idea. Good post. When my wife was an area manager, in the area she took over well over half her managers were on anti-depressants. I bang on about the blood type diet ;D but I'm convinced the food we eat relative to our blood type is one of the factors influencing this depression epidemic. Vigorous exercise is particularly important for O's to simulate the hunting activities of their ancestors. You are definately right when you say exercise is beneficial, from my point of view though its difficult as i suffer from arthritis ...it never rains but it pours ! |
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Post by rlcstokie on Oct 19, 2012 13:35:29 GMT
I was depressed when we lost at Crewe 2-0. Not anymore. Getting a grip might help? Bit harsh mate. Luckily I've never suffered with clinical depression myself but know people that have and it can ruin lives. Most of us feel 'down' at some point but being clinically depressed is another thing altogether. Depression can leads to all sorts of other mental illnesses such as schizophrenia and BPD etc. People say they are depressed all the time when really they mean they are having a 'shit day'. I wouldn't wish REAL depression on anyone |
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Post by barneyrebel on Oct 19, 2012 16:46:31 GMT
I really admire the people on this thread who admit they are suffering or have suffered, in no way shape or form are you alone as you may think, i have battled for years with clinical depression for about 6 years, the panic attacks, the crying for no reason, feel like your heart is about to run out of your chest as it's pounding that hard, the temper getting out of control, the sweats from all parts of your body etc etc, i lost one of my jobs because of it, a very well payed job but highly stressful to say the least, was that too blame ?...i'll never be sure...5HTP can work wonders short term pretty much an instant hit, but long term, NO..i have been taking citalopram for a few years now from 20gm too 60gm a day then back down too 20gm where i think it's now nice and balanced, but can't see me coming off it any day soon, best thing too do is TALK ABOUT it does help, people who have never suffered will never understand hence the *get a grip* comments, people who think that should try a week in our shoes, see if YOU can *get a grip*!!
It can take over your live if you let it, like i did, i saw it coming, i felt it coming on for months but left it so long because that's what men do and did not want to be seen as weak, but it's not my fault, it's not your fault, it's an illness, you can't help it, but there is many many good people out there that can and will help
I have been good now for about 18 months, but now and again it returns not full blown because of the pills, owning my own business doesn't help with the stresses, but TALKING does
Anyway i've bored you all for too long so i'll sod off
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Post by maxplonk on Oct 19, 2012 20:26:59 GMT
There are established correlations between EEG brainwave patterns and depression, the most common showing a hihger than expected level of alpha frequency(8-12 Hz) in the left prefrontal lobe (above and to the left of your left eye) and a deficit of beta waves (15-25 Hz) in the right prefrontal lobe of the cerebral cortex. Neurofeedback (EEG biofeedback) training has been found to be effective in treating depression by restoring the levels of the brainwaves. Finding a neurofeedback therapist is not easy however.
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;D but I'm convinced the food we eat relative to our blood type is one of the factors influencing this depression epidemic.
