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Post by passtheoatcakes on May 1, 2012 23:34:48 GMT
ive been one of tps biggest fans but why should we pay good money to watch this shite every week maybe time to boycott matches until something is done about it i know a lot of people carnt afford or carnt always make it to games. But what the fuck gives you the right to say we should boycott games you dont even go to? I would never boycott Stoke not matter how we play or in what league we play in. It was a decent performance tonight against a very good Everton side, if its not good enough for you then stay at home and keep your opinions to yourself, armchair supporting tosser. This and some!!
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Post by Boyceys been up the attic on May 1, 2012 23:39:17 GMT
Boycey, you missed 25 minutes of Fuller, which almost paid up for the last 8 months of Super Jon ;D
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Post by bunnyscfc on May 1, 2012 23:40:47 GMT
A decent performnace = booed off at half time, the concourse was full of people going ballistic, rescued by finsihing with a far better team than started?
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Post by luke45 on May 1, 2012 23:46:17 GMT
Good second half. Well done TP. +1 We have come from behind to draw against a team who have lost 1 of their last 15 league games and people describe it as " fucking shit " and " awful ". I've posted on the old and new oatcake messageboards for the best part of 6-7 years now, and I honestly feel like deleting my account at the moment. I don't expect people to praise Stoke and Pulis on every occasion, but people seem to have lost all sense of perspective. Genuinely depressing to read.
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Post by cousindupree on May 1, 2012 23:50:47 GMT
The first half was just simply awful and typical of so much of our league form this season. It was turgid hoofball at its worse and save gor Rory's long throw we created absolutely nothing.At least TP eventually had the balls to try something different...its only taken him 36 league games to go on the offensive.
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Post by skelman on May 2, 2012 0:01:38 GMT
David Moyes comments in the post match interview included........
"Finishing above Liverpool is not desperately important, the important thing (for Everton) is to finish in the top 10 and this point might just about secure that. If we can win the last two games and finish up there it will be a good season for us."
I agree some of our performances have been poor & the first half tonight was dire but some people's expectations are just unrealistic!! Moyes talking about finishing in the top 10 says an awful lot
The PL has been stronger this year than last. We are likely to equal (perhaps better) our best points total to date in the PL with 47/8 points & may just finish 10th
Europe was great but has taken its toll
Yes some change is crucial
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 2, 2012 0:14:18 GMT
The problem with the European campaign is that there is more to it than just extra games. With the huge travelling involved you spend so much time away from the Training Ground and it was like that from July through to the end of February. A typical European week followed by a (away) game would be: Monday - Training Tuesday - light training Wednesday - Travel Wednesday pm - light training Thursday - game Friday - Travel Saturday - light training Sunday - game Monday - rest It's a massive schedule shift for a manager that is so hell bent on shape. No wonder we've looked totally lost at times this season. Yet we were averaging far more points in the league whilst we were playing in Europe than we have been since we have been knocked out of the competition. There's been far more time to spend on shape since Valencia ... yet we've been doing much worse in the league.
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Post by ichabodcheesecake on May 2, 2012 0:15:33 GMT
ive been one of tps biggest fans but why should we pay good money to watch this shite every week maybe time to boycott matches until something is done about it Well go ahead and boycott them then. No-one is forcing you to go.
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Post by skelman on May 2, 2012 0:35:08 GMT
The problem with the European campaign is that there is more to it than just extra games. With the huge travelling involved you spend so much time away from the Training Ground and it was like that from July through to the end of February. A typical European week followed by a (away) game would be: Monday - Training Tuesday - light training Wednesday - Travel Wednesday pm - light training Thursday - game Friday - Travel Saturday - light training Sunday - game Monday - rest It's a massive schedule shift for a manager that is so hell bent on shape. No wonder we've looked totally lost at times this season. Yet we were averaging far more points in the league whilst we were playing in Europe than we have been since we have been knocked out of the competition. There's been far more time to spend on shape since Valencia ... yet we've been doing much worse in the league. Problem is Paul, I think that Europe has had a cumulative draining effect on us. I think the squad kept riding the wave while it was a part of that competition & then the adrenaline started to ebb away when we lost to Valencia - & we've seen what we have since All those extra games came in the first 2/3 of the season when the squad was physically & mentally fitter and that's why I think we picked up more points then
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 2, 2012 0:45:17 GMT
Yet we were averaging far more points in the league whilst we were playing in Europe than we have been since we have been knocked out of the competition. There's been far more time to spend on shape since Valencia ... yet we've been doing much worse in the league. Problem is Paul, I think that Europe has had a cumulative draining effect on us. I think the squad kept riding the wave while it was a part of that competition & then the adrenaline started to ebb away when we lost to Valencia - & we've seen what we have since All those extra games came in the first 2/3 of the season when the squad was physically & mentally fitter and that's why I think we picked up more points then That maybe skelman but that wasn't the point SSV was making, indeed he was at pains to point out that his point was a separate one to the fatigue that number of games played might have caused. However as has already been pointed out in the thread ... neither Fulham or Brum seem to be suffering from the same cumulative effect on their season and neither side spent as much as we did bolstering our squad last summer in anticipation of having to play an above average number of games. I'd suggest that our decision to play without any pace up front for the majority of the season, has had just as much of a negative effect on our football this term, as the Europa games have done.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2012 6:34:46 GMT
look at the run Everton have been on, they scored four in their last 2 games including away at Man united. But a draw isnt good enough for some people who dont even go to the games Once again you are totally missing the point. Of course its a good result against one of the divisions form teams. The issues for me are we looked so much better after the subs had been intriduced, what a shock, we look much better when we mix it up, what a shock, Jerome carries more threat than Walters, what a shock....some will hail TP as a tactical genius for the subs, IMHO thats just plain ridiculous they should have been there from the start. Pulis is being plain stubborn where Walters is concerned. I don't think Jon is good enough to be honest but he's being hung out to dry. He hasn't the ability to be undroppable. As for the football, it was industrial to say the least. I love Shawcross he's a fantastic defender but if I see him take the ball off Begovic one more time and twat it up the field I think I might just cry. Matty Upson is no Rio Ferdinand but I thought he looked calm and assured and is distribution was pretty damn good.
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Post by potterpaul on May 2, 2012 7:03:08 GMT
Blaming our poor standard of play on the Europa run is quite frankly sad. It may have affected the odd game here and there but to say its affecting us now is pathetic. The quicker people realise that the squad is riddled with players who are less than average for our current status, the better. Add the fact that we play a system that only suits our worst player (JW) tells a very sorry story.
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Post by Pugsley on May 2, 2012 7:12:44 GMT
Boycey, you missed 25 minutes of Fuller, which almost paid up for the last 8 months of Super Jon Talk about clutching at straws.
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Post by yogibear78 on May 2, 2012 7:15:25 GMT
saved another £30+ last night, you only need listen to the radio when you have seen one Tony Pulis game. Shit football at its finest.
As a 'football' fan I look forward to spending my saved dosh on a Wigan ticket at the DW
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 2, 2012 7:28:45 GMT
Glad some of you enjoyed the 2nd half, it was too much for me and i left at half time. I may have paid for it doesn't mean i've got to watch it. What a lacklustre,predictable. mundane bag of shite, never have i been so dissillusioned with watching my team as i have this season..................................................................................................................and NO i wont fuck off up the Vale Why would you want to share such total fucking idiocy?
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Post by skelman on May 2, 2012 7:37:37 GMT
Problem is Paul, I think that Europe has had a cumulative draining effect on us. I think the squad kept riding the wave while it was a part of that competition & then the adrenaline started to ebb away when we lost to Valencia - & we've seen what we have since All those extra games came in the first 2/3 of the season when the squad was physically & mentally fitter and that's why I think we picked up more points then That maybe skelman but that wasn't the point SSV was making, indeed he was at pains to point out that his point was a separate one to the fatigue that number of games played might have caused. However as has already been pointed out in the thread ... neither Fulham or Brum seem to be suffering from the same cumulative effect on their season and neither side spent as much as we did bolstering our squad last summer in anticipation of having to play an above average number of games. I'd suggest that our decision to play without any pace up front for the majority of the season, has had just as much of a negative effect on our football this term, as the Europa games have done. That is a key part of my point Paul. The physical aspect of the European games is certainly one part of the equation. However there will also have been a psychological effect. I think the squad just 'kept on going' while we were in the mix of europe & the league & cup I think we have become more 1 dimensional since Valencia. We do lack of pace up front & players are frequently playing in isolation without support, which was all too evident again last night. SSV is quite correct in his post and other points have been well documented My view is that a mental fatigue will almost certainly have developed over the last 2 1/2 months post Valencia as the player's and indeed management adrenaline levels have dropped & that that will have had an underlying effect on much of what has been going on inside the club .......... ( ie. you can work work in 7th gear for 6 months & stay healthy but then when you drop back to normal, you often catch a cold & feel shattered) ...... and I don't think we've been able to work through that & shake it off
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Post by shiftyfifty on May 2, 2012 8:24:01 GMT
That maybe skelman but that wasn't the point SSV was making, indeed he was at pains to point out that his point was a separate one to the fatigue that number of games played might have caused. However as has already been pointed out in the thread ... neither Fulham or Brum seem to be suffering from the same cumulative effect on their season and neither side spent as much as we did bolstering our squad last summer in anticipation of having to play an above average number of games. I'd suggest that our decision to play without any pace up front for the majority of the season, has had just as much of a negative effect on our football this term, as the Europa games have done. Agree with you to extent, but did Fulham need to invest like us after 11 years in the Prem.? Also you mention Brum., the demands of the Prem. are far greater than those of the Championship, especially for a side that was relegated the previous season.
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Post by sirpineapple89 on May 2, 2012 8:38:22 GMT
Yesterday we were, quite frankly, awful save for about 10-15 minutes. If anybody wants to try and convince me otherwise then they're wasting their breath.
Hoof, head and hope. Simply not good enough and if some people think that constitutes as a 'decent' performance then maybe I'm watching the wrong sport.
We battled and defended well (as is the norm) but our quality on the ball and style of football was just plain wank until we made the subsitutions. I've got no complaints watching us battle, tackle and grind when we need to but to play with such a lack of ideas for 70 minutes yesterday was just painful at times.
The thing that really grated last night, for me, was that Pulis never once tried to change the style, despite it getting us absolutely nowhere. I could see from my seat that Fellaini was just dropping onto the toes of Jagielka or Heitinga to stop our forwards winning headers. They completely stopped us playing that way so why not even attempt something else? Instead we carried it on until about the 65th minute before we made the subs. It was mind-numbing, tedious, dull rubbish. All with an £18 million strikeforce!
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Post by staffordstokie999 on May 2, 2012 8:54:46 GMT
saved another £30+ last night, you only need listen to the radio when you have seen one Tony Pulis game. Shit football at its finest. As a 'football' fan I look forward to spending my saved dosh on a Wigan ticket at the DW great news. Can you please start posting on their message boards now?
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Post by staffordstokie999 on May 2, 2012 8:55:43 GMT
look at the run Everton have been on, they scored four in their last 2 games including away at Man united. But a draw isnt good enough for some people who dont even go to the games Once again you are totally missing the point. Of course its a good result against one of the divisions form teams. The issues for me are we looked so much better after the subs had been intriduced, what a shock, we look much better when we mix it up, what a shock, Jerome carries more threat than Walters, what a shock....some will hail TP as a tactical genius for the subs, IMHO thats just plain ridiculous they should have been there from the start. Pulis is being plain stubborn where Walters is concerned. I don't think Jon is good enough to be honest but he's being hung out to dry. He hasn't the ability to be undroppable. As for the football, it was industrial to say the least. I love Shawcross he's a fantastic defender but if I see him take the ball off Begovic one more time and twat it up the field I think I might just cry. Matty Upson is no Rio Ferdinand but I thought he looked calm and assured and is distribution was pretty damn good. and those are reasons for boycotting matches?
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Post by digger on May 2, 2012 9:10:37 GMT
saved another £30+ last night, you only need listen to the radio when you have seen one Tony Pulis game. Shit football at its finest. As a 'football' fan I look forward to spending my saved dosh on a Wigan ticket at the DW how much is a ticket to watch rugby league
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Post by stokiehereandnow on May 2, 2012 10:05:34 GMT
is it too much to ask for us to attack at home
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Post by stokeoptimist on May 2, 2012 10:16:41 GMT
and secondly our manager wont sign any good central mids he never has done and never will Yes because its really easy to sign them they are 10 a penny
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Post by Bagwash on May 2, 2012 11:07:44 GMT
Good second half. Well done TP. +1 We have come from behind to draw against a team who have lost 1 of their last 15 league games and people describe it as " fucking shit " and " awful ". I've posted on the old and new oatcake messageboards for the best part of 6-7 years now, and I honestly feel like deleting my account at the moment. I don't expect people to praise Stoke and Pulis on every occasion, but people seem to have lost all sense of perspective. Genuinely depressing to read. Too true,matey,it's exactly how I feel.
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Post by lordb on May 2, 2012 12:25:39 GMT
I thought the 1st half yesterday was appalling
Walters,Jones,Delap especially crap
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2012 12:31:21 GMT
Lets be honest that starting side was the slowest you will see in Premier League history.
Bego Huth - Shawcross - Upson - Wilson Walters - Delap - Whitehead - Etherington Crouch - Jones
You name me a slower team than that. It was so devoid of any quality through out it was frightening, the performance warrented a crowd that was so quiet you could hear a pin drop.
That midfield 4 would not get in any other Premier League side including those coming up and rightly so.
That first 70 mins was worse than boxing day and that took some beating.
The level of football we display deserves all the criticism it gets from neutrals because it's embarrassing. We play 4 big defenders whose only option going forward is to kick it to Crouch, who then controls it to find his 4 midfielders are still sitting on the defenders toes watching and a Walters running around like a dog chasing a balloon.
Only when we injected some pace and skill did we look marginally better, Jerome must go to bed wondering what he needs to do. I wouldnt feel bad if he left as i think he should do as he's wasted here.
A team and manager so devoid of tactics apart from the usual GO ON JOHN!!! shouts from the side (thats his limitations) is scary.
This group of players can not even make a simple 5 yard pass for their 30k a week, its criminal and there is only one man to blame and thats Pulis. There is no way they made it as professional footballers without being able to pass, the fact is it's drilled out of them on the training ground at Stoke where only shape and set pieces matter.
Now football is an entertainment business and there has to be more than bullying your way to survival year after year because if not we may as well watch the results come on teletext. I also believe if he doesnt start to adapt it will all come crashing down.
Next season for me is his final chance, if we are still playing football not fit for Sunday league and we still see the same old tired, out of form and generally not good enough players then we will struggle and his number will be up.
If people are genuinely happy about what they are watching and enjoy this quality of football then fair enough but dont moan when the majority expect very rich men to be able to pass a ball in their profession.
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Post by staffordstokie999 on May 2, 2012 12:32:29 GMT
says a lot about Everton if we were that bad
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Post by werrington on May 2, 2012 12:35:59 GMT
Lets be honest that starting side was the slowest you will see in Premier League history. Bego Huth - Shawcross - Upson - Wilson Walters - Delap - Whitehead - Etherington Crouch - Jones You name me a slower team than that. It was so devoid of any quality through out it was frightening, the performance warrented a crowd that was so quiet you could hear a pin drop. That midfield 4 would not get in any other Premier League side including those coming up and rightly so. That first 70 mins was worse than boxing day and that took some beating. The level of football we display deserves all the criticism it gets from neutrals because it's embarrassing. We play 4 big defenders whose only option going forward is to kick it to Crouch, who then controls it to find his 4 midfielders are still sitting on the defenders toes watching and a Walters running around like a dog chasing a balloon. Only when we injected some pace and skill did we look marginally better, Jerome must go to bed wondering what he needs to do. I wouldnt feel bad if he left as i think he should do as he's wasted here. A team and manager so devoid of tactics apart from the usual GO ON JOHN!!! shouts from the side (thats his limitations) is scary. This group of players can not even make a simple 5 yard pass for their 30k a week, its criminal and there is only one man to blame and thats Pulis. There is no way they made it as professional footballers without being able to pass, the fact is it's drilled out of them on the training ground at Stoke where only shape and set pieces matter. Now football is an entertainment business and there has to be more than bullying your way to survival year after year because if not we may as well watch the results come on teletext. I also believe if he doesnt start to adapt it will all come crashing down. Next season for me is his final chance, if we are still playing football not fit for Sunday league and we still see the same old tired, out of form and generally not good enough players then we will struggle and his number will be up. If people are genuinely happy about what they are watching and enjoy this quality of football then fair enough but dont moan when the majority expect very rich men to be able to pass a ball in their profession. A fantastic post sir....Bravo
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Post by thestatusquo on May 2, 2012 12:44:34 GMT
Once I saw the starting 11 I think it was inevitable how the game would go. How TP could thought that Crouch and KJ could ever work as a pair is truly beyond me. It was worse than KJ and Carew. As for the subs Pulis was left with no alternative. he had to change it or we would have lost the game.
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Post by paulycaton on May 2, 2012 13:23:35 GMT
played badly most of the season team play how pulis tell it to play. Mid table is pulis aim, time now to move on and up. We need new blood and fresh ideas. Survival is NOT my idea of a good season but will anything change?
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