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Post by Stoke70 on Apr 6, 2012 9:15:31 GMT
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Post by shep207 on Apr 6, 2012 9:24:03 GMT
'The football club is talking about investing £6m into the Academy, which is fantastic, but we mustn't forget the front of house as well'
Which part of that translates to him not being happy?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 6, 2012 9:29:42 GMT
I wouldn't say it's him not being happy but it seems a bit unnecessary unless he's already been told what his budget is for next season.
TP knows better than anyone that we will struggle to "sell to buy" unless we weaken the team in a couple of vital areas.
To me the only way to generate real funds would be to cash in on Bego and replace him with a keeper from a lower division or another Tommy type of signing.
Other than that we'd have to sell our crown jewels who would then need to be replaced.
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Post by Stoke70 on Apr 6, 2012 9:31:17 GMT
'The football club is talking about investing £6m into the Academy, which is fantastic, but we mustn't forget the front of house as well' Which part of that translates to him not being happy? TP prefer front of house ( first team ) and want the money. Clearly, he has no plan for young players at the club and it's bad for long term evolution of Stoke. Investing 8m£ in Jones for bench him seems more in TP plans.
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Post by dadofsam on Apr 6, 2012 9:32:41 GMT
I'd say the single word 'but' gives him away
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Post by shep207 on Apr 6, 2012 9:33:57 GMT
'The football club is talking about investing £6m into the Academy, which is fantastic, but we mustn't forget the front of house as well' Which part of that translates to him not being happy? TP prefer front of house ( first team ) and want the money. Clearly, he has no plan for young players at the club and it's bad for long term evolution of Stoke. Investing 8m£ in Jones for bench him seems more in TP plans. That doesn't mean he's not happy with investment in the academy though.. In fact, saying 'which is fantastic' would suggest the complete opposite.
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Post by shep207 on Apr 6, 2012 9:35:42 GMT
I'd say the single word 'but' gives him away Would you rather he said: Investing 6 million pounds in the academy is fantastic, in fact, let's just fuck off the first team altogether.
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Post by Stoke70 on Apr 6, 2012 9:38:07 GMT
TP prefer front of house ( first team ) and want the money. Clearly, he has no plan for young players at the club and it's bad for long term evolution of Stoke. Investing 8m£ in Jones for bench him seems more in TP plans. That doesn't mean he's not happy with investment in the academy though.. In fact, saying 'which is fantastic' would suggest the complete opposite. Read in context - fantastic BUT - and this but mean clearly TP not so happy imo. Maybe I'm wrong but after selling Marshall in January, sending Cuvelier on loan again and again, I can't imagine TP happy with lot of young players in the team.
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Post by frasier99 on Apr 6, 2012 9:44:01 GMT
"The site will be as good as anything in the country," he added, "and so we don't need kids going off to Liverpool and Manchester United."
It's flawed as long as TP is here. The only reason youngsters would ever pick a smaller club is because of the obvious lack of chances at the bigger club. We are getting, if not got, a poor reputation with kids imo
i know i wouldn't gamble on sending my kid to stoke under the present circumstances.
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Post by shep207 on Apr 6, 2012 9:44:22 GMT
The selling of Marshall? Pretty sure there's not much you can do if a player is set on leaving a club..
Anyone would think the word 'but' means 'everything I just said is total bollocks'...
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Post by Gods on Apr 6, 2012 9:44:29 GMT
TP is sensible enough to know he sinks and swims on "outcomes" on the pitch today not on whether we have a nice "dome" in Trentham Lakes with an associated job club for retired pros which may or may not deliver something in the next 5-10 years.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 6, 2012 9:46:00 GMT
Pulis says he supports the recently-announced £6m investment to improve facilities for the club's youth structure.
The football club is talking about investing £6m into the Academy, which is fantastic
There's nothing better than having an Andy Wilkinson or a Ryan Shotton in the team.
"The site will be as good as anything in the country," he added, "and so we don't need kids going off to Liverpool and Manchester United."
Pulis would like those vacancies filled in time by the likes of Rory Delap, Danny Higginbotham and Carlo Nash.
"I'd like the players who have been here and involved for the last six or seven years to get involved with the club at a younger level."How you can manage to twist that lot into "Pulis isn't happy with the academy" is beyond me.
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Post by tazi on Apr 6, 2012 9:46:04 GMT
TP prefer front of house ( first team ) and want the money. Clearly, he has no plan for young players at the club and it's bad for long term evolution of Stoke. Investing 8m£ in Jones for bench him seems more in TP plans. That doesn't mean he's not happy with investment in the academy though.. In fact, saying 'which is fantastic' would suggest the complete opposite. Wait until the real anti spin docs get wind of this thread mate.... Delusion at it's anti finest...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2012 9:47:11 GMT
Stoke 70
I did not hear him say he was 'not so happy' about this ?????
merely qualified the priorities
ever thought of being a reporter for the Sun ????
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Post by Stoke70 on Apr 6, 2012 9:47:17 GMT
The selling of Marshall? Pretty sure there's not much you can do if a player is set on leaving a club.. Anyone would think the word 'but' means 'everything I just said is total bollocks'... Marshall leaves because he had no chance to play first team football at Stoke under TP.
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Post by fca47 on Apr 6, 2012 9:47:48 GMT
The bit that worried me is that he wants to fill it with ex-players. We want the best coaches , not to be a retirement home for ex-players. TP should not have a say in who is in the academy, it should be run as a long term project, not the fiefdom of the incumbent manager.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 6, 2012 9:51:46 GMT
The bit that worried me is that he wants to fill it with ex-players. We want the best coaches , not to be a retirement home for ex-players. TP should not have a say in who is in the academy, it should be run as a long term project, not the fiefdom of the incumbent manager. You may have a point but certainly the likes of Rory and Danny appear to be the kind of blokes you'd want involved. Proper, proper professionals who have played at the highest level and are natural leaders. They may not be the best technically but they certainly know the game as you can tell by their organisational skills on the pitch. I think they'd be very good to have around the place and would certainly be inspirational figures for the young lads.
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Post by Gods on Apr 6, 2012 9:51:59 GMT
The bit that worried me is that he wants to fill it with ex-players. We want the best coaches , not to be a retirement home for ex-players. TP should not have a say in who is in the academy, it should be run as a long term project, not the fiefdom of the incumbent manager. Echoes my "job club" comment. But would TP hire the coaches for the academy himself, is that part of the managers remit?
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Post by tazi on Apr 6, 2012 9:55:05 GMT
The selling of Marshall? Pretty sure there's not much you can do if a player is set on leaving a club.. Anyone would think the word 'but' means 'everything I just said is total bollocks'... Marshall leaves because he had no chance to play first team football at Stoke under TP. If he had no chance then surely he would not have been offered a contract... Remind me again, was he offered a contract?.... If we were still a championship club then no doubt he'd have been given game time 'just my opinion' or if he was deemed ready for the premier league then no doubt too that he'd have been given game time... The day players come back to haunt us that we've released is the day i'll question TP's judgement.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 6, 2012 9:55:44 GMT
I'd say the single word 'but' gives him away so if we win tomorrow and he says "we got the three points today and we can say we are safe now, which is fantastic, BUT we have to remember we still have a job to do on Monday against Villa and to try to finish in the top ten" this obviously means he is unhappy with the win and being safe? I usually try to steer clear of unneccessary hyperbole BUT I'd say that is the biggest pile of horseshit I have ever read on here.
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Post by stokieboothen on Apr 6, 2012 9:56:37 GMT
TP is sensible enough to know he sinks and swims on "outcomes" on the pitch today not on whether we have a nice "dome" in Trentham Lakes with an associated job club for retired pros which may or may not deliver something in the next 5-10 years. +1
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Post by fca47 on Apr 6, 2012 9:58:23 GMT
Some of the best coaches weren't good players, the ability to teach does not necessarily mean you are good at what you're teaching. Mourinho, Rogers and Wenger were not really very good players. I've no objection to ex-players working there, but on merit. I'm not being funny but I wouldn't want the youngsters brought up on the skill levels of our first team, I would like to think we will be teaching them to pass, and to move off the ball, better than the current team.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2012 10:00:46 GMT
The selling of Marshall? Pretty sure there's not much you can do if a player is set on leaving a club.. Anyone would think the word 'but' means 'everything I just said is total bollocks'... Marshall leaves because he had no chance to play first team football at Stoke under TP. He would if he was good enough (Ryan Shawcross was 19) No other premiership club thought Marshall was good enough. Anyone would think the Premiership is littered with players who had to leave Stoke to get a chance.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 6, 2012 10:01:21 GMT
Some of the best coaches weren't good players, the ability to teach does not necessarily mean you are good at what you're teaching. Mourinho, Rogers and Wenger were not really very good players. I've no objection to ex-players working there, but on merit. I'm not being funny but I wouldn't want the youngsters brought up on the skill levels of our first team, I would like to think we will be teaching them to pass, and to move off the ball, better than the current team. There certainly needs to be a good mix and as you say we haven't got many who could pass on the technical side of the game. I'm sure if we do offer roles to Rory and Danny for example, we will supplement them with additional staff from outside of the club.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2012 10:01:55 GMT
I repeat the header to this thread is COMPLETELY BOGUS
it just shows that the old saying - 'send three and fourpence we are going to a dance'
is alive and well !
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Post by foster on Apr 6, 2012 10:02:22 GMT
Tone probably got asked if he thought the academy would have a big impact on the first team. Hence his response. He was clearly responding to a question that was not included in the article, as most of his statements are.
I'm not overly keen on the ex-players part either, but they could be okay so long as we get a proper experienced youth team manager in. Which you would expect considering the money the clubs paying for this.
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Post by longtonstokie on Apr 6, 2012 10:08:28 GMT
Unless I'm missing something here, but (and theres that word but again)
Pulis has been given more money than any other Stoke manager in the clubs history.
The club cannot definitely be accused of forgetting the first team.
However if this is a way of Pulis saying he is not expecting as much this time around because the amount wasted so far, then thats down to himself and not the club!
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Post by RAF on Apr 6, 2012 10:09:42 GMT
Whether any of you like it or not, Pulis would rather spunk 5-6 mill on another Whitehead than put the money into youth development. He just doesn't care enough about it, never has.
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Post by fca47 on Apr 6, 2012 10:12:20 GMT
In a way it shows TP attitude to the academy, in that he doesn't seem to see that improving the technical ability of the players is of the highest importance, if he wants to staff it with people who. though they have a great attitude , aren't known for improving the technical aspects of their game.
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Post by march4 on Apr 6, 2012 10:12:25 GMT
A simple question;
How many current Prem players came through the Academy at SCFC?
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