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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 16, 2012 13:32:17 GMT
I don't think Brighton liked him that much, but then again they've got a very high opinion of themselves and the "magnificent" football their beloved team plays.
He was indifferent at Barnsley, sometimes good and sometimes bad.
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 16, 2012 13:45:03 GMT
Seems a strange one because he did look useful against Valencia. Having said that, after eary rave reviews at Barnsley, his form seemed to nose dive.
Just wonder what his attitude is like and whether thats the reason TP doesn't fancy him.
Certainly would have expected him to get a few runs in latter part of season. Makes you wonder has the decision to move him on been made already?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 16, 2012 13:56:23 GMT
As is usual with the Oatcake and certain players, the truth probably belongs somewhere in the middle of the fan's view [best player since Alan Hudson] and Pulis' opinion [worst player since Rowson].
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 16, 2012 13:58:21 GMT
As is usual with the Oatcake and certain players, the truth probably belongs somewhere in the middle of the fan's view [best player since Alan Hudson] and Pulis' opinion [worst player since Rowson]. Fair point.
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Post by fca47 on Mar 16, 2012 14:05:30 GMT
Funny how when they played together Arismendi and Palacios looked good, against a very good Valencia side. Could it be that they looked good because they are two players who like to interpass and keep hold of the ball, whereas they have been playing with players who have bought into the hoof it tactics, and they don't look the same players, as instead of keeping hold of the ball they have to be trying to get it back all the time. Perhaps they need to play together.
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Post by jezzascfc on Mar 16, 2012 14:06:48 GMT
I think the issue with Arismendi is his reluctance to be a cage dweller. He wants to roam, to get involved, to get forward, to pick out passes for the forwards. I have been impressed every time I have seen him (even when we got thrashed 4-0 by Pompey in the League Cup he was the best player on our team by far). I think it is a cultural thing and it is hard to see him getting a game unless the unthinkable happens and Tone leaves (Pulis is not going to change the philosophy of pulisball now, is he?).
Diego was a young star in Uruguay, a title winner and international. He has the ability and, for his own good, should really try and get a deal for himself in Spain, Italy or Portugal where he can fit in more easily.
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Post by RAF on Mar 16, 2012 14:07:27 GMT
Hi guys, Huddersfield fan here. Just wondering what your thoughts are on Arismendi? Will he do well at L1 level? Every club he has been on loan at the fans have said he was one of the worst loan signings they have ever had. He had one good game against Valencia for us. I'm sure you will find out sooner rather than later if he's got any better. H
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2012 14:12:04 GMT
I think the issue with Arismendi is his reluctance to be a cage dweller. He wants to roam, to get involved, to get forward, to pick out passes for the forwards. I have been impressed every time I have seen him (even when we got thrashed 4-0 by Pompey in the League Cup he was the best player on our team by far). I think it is a cultural thing and it is hard to see him getting a game unless the unthinkable happens and Tone leaves (Pulis is not going to change the philosophy of pulisball now, is he?). Diego was a young star in Uruguay, a title winner and international. He has the ability and, for his own good, should really try and get a deal for himself in Spain, Italy or Portugal where he can fit in more easily. really??? interesting then despite his apparent obvious quality that we've found it so difficult to find a club to take him on loan even in the lower leagues! as has been said, NONE of us have seen anything like enough of him to say what kind of quality he is. Pericard used to play for Juventus so presumably had one or two good games at some point some time to get there,doesn't mean he was anything like a good player in general though does it.
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 16, 2012 14:14:51 GMT
I think the issue with Arismendi is his reluctance to be a cage dweller. He wants to roam, to get involved, to get forward, to pick out passes for the forwards. I have been impressed every time I have seen him (even when we got thrashed 4-0 by Pompey in the League Cup he was the best player on our team by far). I think it is a cultural thing and it is hard to see him getting a game unless the unthinkable happens and Tone leaves (Pulis is not going to change the philosophy of pulisball now, is he?). Diego was a young star in Uruguay, a title winner and international. He has the ability and, for his own good, should really try and get a deal for himself in Spain, Italy or Portugal where he can fit in more easily. You may be right but why, if he's so good, has he failed to consistently impress at other clubs in the UK?
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Post by fca47 on Mar 16, 2012 14:15:51 GMT
Arismendi did get slated at Brighton, but at Barnsley he started off very well, but then did get criticised . So I don't know that it was just a question of ability, maybe attitude is the problem.
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 16, 2012 14:18:14 GMT
Arismendi did get slated at Brighton, but at Barnsley he started off very well, but then did get criticised . So I don't know that it was just a question of ability, maybe attitude is the problem. That would be my thinking too. In which case he stands no chance with TP.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2012 14:19:47 GMT
I think the issue with Arismendi is his reluctance to be a cage dweller. He wants to roam, to get involved, to get forward, to pick out passes for the forwards. I have been impressed every time I have seen him (even when we got thrashed 4-0 by Pompey in the League Cup he was the best player on our team by far). I think it is a cultural thing and it is hard to see him getting a game unless the unthinkable happens and Tone leaves (Pulis is not going to change the philosophy of pulisball now, is he?). Diego was a young star in Uruguay, a title winner and international. He has the ability and, for his own good, should really try and get a deal for himself in Spain, Italy or Portugal where he can fit in more easily. You may be right but why, if he's so good, has he failed to consistently impress at other clubs in the UK? plus, if he is as quality as some make out (not saying he isn't just think it's daft to presume he is based on the tiny amounts we've seen) then why would he have to go Spain, Italy or Portugal simply because he doesn't fit the TP system. surely there would be plenty of English clubs after him wouldn't there? it's just like Marshall all over again i.e none of us have really seen anything of him, or not enough to state he is deserved of a regular place but have simply made a presumption that he is great! main difference between Diego and Marshall however is the reviews Diego has had at loan clubs haven't been close to the reviews Marshall got, nonetheless the reviews have always been from lower league sides which doesn't really show us anything at all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2012 14:23:56 GMT
Arismendi did get slated at Brighton, but at Barnsley he started off very well, but then did get criticised . So I don't know that it was just a question of ability, maybe attitude is the problem. or maybe he just isn't very good??? if he gets slated at two clubs he's been to why have you presumed it's not his ability that's in question...or have we decided that after one game in Valencia that we can now definitively state his ability is there and it must be his attitude/Pulis' dislike of youngsters etc.? Yes, he was good at Valencia but there isn't a single professional player that has been awful or not up to scratch in every game he's ever played; if that was the case they wouldn't be professionals.Even Pericard must have had the odd good game here or there to be snapped up by Juve but we all know in general he was cak! Let's not get carried away and presume he's the next Messiah because of one good game eh
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 16, 2012 14:27:55 GMT
That'll teach him to try and get into the opposition penalty area away from home. Hope he learns from this [/quote Sniggers ....spot on ! ...But I have to ask why oh why ?? Everytime I've seen him play he's been brilliant ... Which is exactly why we are all baffled by this, TP sometimes needs a rocket up his arse. How on earth can salif be better in CM than arasmendi, a young possibly promising player who looks fantastic on the ball, and can pass it to a player in a red and white striped shirt from 5 yards away (Something most of our midfielders cant!) Not sometimes, mate. Especially after seeing Man.Utd dismantled by a passing side. Can Pulis not see that football is about keeping and then moving the ball. Fuck this "Stoke fit" bollocks, class will tell 9 times out of ten. No forward thinking at all. Delap gets extensions on his contract for 10 yard trots and throw-ins, yet a promising young lad gets farmed out. And us Stokies want Diame to come here? Tone is holding us back in the long run,and I am sick of people saying otherwise.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 16, 2012 14:30:14 GMT
I think the issue with Arismendi is his reluctance to be a cage dweller. He wants to roam, to get involved, to get forward, to pick out passes for the forwards. I have been impressed every time I have seen him (even when we got thrashed 4-0 by Pompey in the League Cup he was the best player on our team by far). I think it is a cultural thing and it is hard to see him getting a game unless the unthinkable happens and Tone leaves (Pulis is not going to change the philosophy of pulisball now, is he?). Diego was a young star in Uruguay, a title winner and international. He has the ability and, for his own good, should really try and get a deal for himself in Spain, Italy or Portugal where he can fit in more easily. really??? interesting then despite his apparent obvious quality that we've found it so difficult to find a club to take him on loan even in the lower leagues! as has been said, NONE of us have seen anything like enough of him to say what kind of quality he is. Pericard used to play for Juventus so presumably had one or two good games at some point some time to get there,doesn't mean he was anything like a good player in general though does it. Which means, then, another bad signing by Pulis. Can't have it both ways.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2012 14:34:25 GMT
really??? interesting then despite his apparent obvious quality that we've found it so difficult to find a club to take him on loan even in the lower leagues! as has been said, NONE of us have seen anything like enough of him to say what kind of quality he is. Pericard used to play for Juventus so presumably had one or two good games at some point some time to get there,doesn't mean he was anything like a good player in general though does it. Which means, then, another bad signing by Pulis. Can't have it both ways. no it doesn't it simply means that he MAY be a decent player but there's no way any of us here can say he is as yet as we haven't seen enough of him. IF he perpetually goes out on loan and is then sold for a pittance because he isn't good enough then yes it would have been a gamble that didn't pay off but that happens with every manager not just TP and some might actually be happy that for once we took a gamble on an overseas player...however don't let me stop you from finding any possible reason to slag off the manager, regardless as to how justifed it is or whether you've had to twist what i actually said previously to shoehorn it in
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 16, 2012 14:37:31 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 16, 2012 14:41:04 GMT
We can only judge him on his appearances for us and it will be really interesting to see how he does at Huddersfield given his outstanding performance in Valencia.
For what it is worth, I think that Arismendi has played 4 times for us (3 starts, 1 sub appearance) and for me, each time he has been excellent and really very promising.
In Valencia he was superb.
Keep us posted Huddersfield fan. I think there will be a lot of interested Stokies keeping an eye on your team over the next few weeks, given our own problems in midfield.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 16, 2012 14:43:44 GMT
I'm not that fussed about him being sent on loan although I had hoped he might feature a bit more once we hit 40 points.
I think he has a bit of potential but we haven't seen enough to know just yet.
My main worry is that we spunked £2.75m (and rising) on him and he's still only considered good enough to be farmed out to a League One team after being with us for over two years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2012 14:45:41 GMT
davejohnno he was good at Valencia...outstanding is possibly rose-tinting things a little and basing your judgment around simply comparing him to the rest of the team we put out. Messi was outstanding the other day, Arismendi was the best player we had on the pitch at Valencia..there is a world of difference between the two!
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Post by bunnyscfc on Mar 16, 2012 14:47:28 GMT
whenn will we know if he potential Jamo?
I saw enough against the third best team in Spain to tell me that now we're safe he should be given half a dozen games in the first team, at least.
He's 23, we've had him nearly three years - just how long do some people need to know if they've completely wasted £2.6million?
When does a lad become a man in TP's eyes? Just how long do players take to get Stoke fit?
Potential was what made us buy him. Reality is what decides whether he should still be here, in the first team etc or not.
Btw - how you getting LFC and which pub?
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Post by ColonelMustard on Mar 16, 2012 14:48:22 GMT
It doesn't matter, just takes Kemp's passport off him and move on.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 16, 2012 14:49:39 GMT
Which means, then, another bad signing by Pulis. Can't have it both ways. no it doesn't it simply means that he MAY be a decent player but there's no way any of us here can say he is as yet as we haven't seen enough of him. IF he perpetually goes out on loan and is then sold for a pittance because he isn't good enough then yes it would have been a gamble that didn't pay off but that happens with every manager not just TP and some might actually be happy that for once we took a gamble on an overseas player...however don't let me stop you from finding any possible reason to slag off the manager, regardless as to how justifed it is or whether you've had to twist what i actually said previously to shoehorn it in I think it's fair to slag a manager who plays Diao and Delap and thinks it's ok to let Marshall and Arismendi go. I have defended TP on Talk Sport several times, but I find him infuriating at times.
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Post by Gods on Mar 16, 2012 14:52:42 GMT
Don't get the "we're safe so we should try some stuff argument".
I hope we are pushing for a top half finish, our first in a third of a century, history men and all that...
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Post by jezzascfc on Mar 16, 2012 14:54:44 GMT
I concur with davejohnno - we can only judge him from his brief time in a Stoke shirt. We have only seen him a few times, but each time he has looked promising enough to warrant more game time than he subsequently gets.
My point about the southern European countries is the culture (and language in Spain) will be less of an issue, and maybe he will not have to fit into the Pulis tactical straitjacket which seemingly he does not suit. Look at players like Borja Valero - bombed at WBA, a success at Malaga and now interesting top teams. I am not saying Diego would be a guaranteed success over there, but he would be likely to have more chance to show what he could do, I feel. I reckon the loan periods have shown that maybe he considers such a level beneath him - he seems to start off well but loses interest. That is not the way to win over Tone, but it must be hard for him after the adulation of his youth back home in Uruguay to be slumming it around the depths of the Football League.
That he has been criminally uinderused at Stoke is surely beyond argument.
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Post by Zero on Mar 16, 2012 14:55:05 GMT
I don't think that we can make that much of a conclusion from one match compared to seeing him in training weekly and in previous loans, which probably led to this decision. If he's good, he may well get better playing regular football elsewhere at a lower level, rather than thrusting him into the squad halfway through the season and then dropping him and denying him game time if he happens not to perform, which as far as I can see from previous loan reports isn't quite impossible.
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Post by foster on Mar 16, 2012 14:56:53 GMT
You don't come over from Uruguay just to get loaned out every 6 months to a different club.
Surely his contract must be running out soon and if he's not good enough yet then we should sell him rather than pussy around with all these loan signings. As we seem to do with most of the deadwood.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 16, 2012 14:57:36 GMT
What will you all be saying if he fails at yet another lower league club? Don't forget that we've been trying to get him out on loan since the summer and have only found a bidder in March. You have one good game in a system that hides your biggest weaknesses and you becoke a hero on the Oatcake. Weird. Hopefully next season he'll be ready for next season. If he plays with Palacios then we'll have an all South American central midfield. That'll be interesting.Sorry to be a wretched pedant but Honduras is not in South America.
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Post by thestatusquo on Mar 16, 2012 15:00:17 GMT
Maybe the language is still a barrier ?
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 16, 2012 15:02:46 GMT
I agree with Jezza. I think Diego has been shunted from pillar to post in a foreign land and lost his mojo, probably wondering where the hell his career is headed. With a recall clause we may still see him before the season's end, but if he's not regarded as a potential first teamer for next season and treated as such then he needs to move on for his own good, as do we all!
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