May offend- Don't get angry

[davemong]

Right, before we start, this just a question so don't have a go at me, also don't jump straight on your PC high horse and complain and report this, ok? Think about your answer first!








OK then lets begin.


Its not racist to say, a black man, its not racist to say, a white man. You wouldn't get told off by the Police to call someone a bastard, say at a football match i.e "Ronaldo you fucking bastard", you could even shout at Rooney, "Rooney, you bastard" or if you wanted, "Rooney, you white bastard", so what is so wrong about calling someone a black bastard?



Remember, think about it, don't get angry, or all PC, just answer sensibly.

[boothenendboy]

oh i am angry.

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[serpico]

The connotations which go along with it i suppose.

[whalebfooked]

yeah i know what you mean, the bloke next to me on tuesday was calling their center half a "black bastard", but he also called that swedish leftback a "longhaired bastard", then at half time he was shouting at parkin for being a "fat bastard".

A lot of it isnt racist at all it is just finding something that is different about the other person to you, hence the longhaired bastard and fat bastard remarks.

[mermaidsal]

I agree it doesn't sound logical but if you think about it when someone says 'black bastard' the implication is that it's worse to be a black bastard than a regular-type bastard. And although you could call someone a white bastard in theory it's not going to happen in practice unless whites are in a minority.

[Mama Zeus Sidibe]

Its not logical. I meen in schools and colleges now teachers are not allowed to use "blackboard"(not that there are many blackboards still about!!) because of racial issues . However there is no such rule against using "whiteboard".

By no means i am sayin racsim is right, its not. But there has to be consistancy.

White british man attacks man form ethnic group - racially motivated. Other way round, that thought wouldnt even enter anyone's head.

But just call people F*ckin B*sterds, then it solves all problems ;D

[SCFC1863]

well in some senses then does it make you rascist if you get offended by someone being called a black bastard?
because in theory you deem it to be a rascist comment even thought the person saying so is simply stating a fact about the person?

[ricksastokie]

This reminds me of the old story about the footballer talking to the ref during a game.

"Hey Ref, what would you do if I called you a c***?"

"I'd send you off of course"

"Oh, so what could you do if I think you're a c***?"

"Well I couldn't do anything"

"Well ref, I think you're a c***"
;D

[Arthurdollar]

ricksastokie said:

This reminds me of the old story about the footballer talking to the ref during a game.

"Hey Ref, what would you do if I called you a c***?"

"I'd send you off of course"

"Oh, so what could you do if I think you're a c***?"

"Well I couldn't do anything"

"Well ref, I think you're a c***"
;D

That was ex Liverpool hardman Tommy Smith, i read his book and its true.....Good point, Ricksastokie

[jonesinamillion]

Was gonna stay way clear of this one but it's has got me pondering...
I'll add here that in todays modern society, there is no place for racism or small-mindedness, any individaul should be treated as an individual and be judged on thier own merits and personality.
Back to the point in question though...
I'd consider racism as "discrimination" against an group or individual based on their beliefs, colour of skin or ethnicity.
If so, to simply call a black man black (or indeed a white man white), would this be stating fact? and thus if the said individual was concieved out of wedlock, therefore an illigitimate child, to state that they are a black / white bastard, would that not be stating fact once again?

[foals]

im not the pc kind at all.

but i think youve got to understand where black people are coming from.

howard gayle - a wonderful player but because he didnt accept 'friendly' racism as banter, his career went down the pan. he was labelled a troublemaker for sticking up for his race.

john barnes - accepted it. didnt he even turn up to a club christmas party in a klu klux klan outfit once?

racism shouldnt have a place in football. i think to an extent we should sympathise with the sensitivities of a race that is still so severely underrepresented in the game at 2 levels. There are so few black and asian faces in football crowds - and they are completely underrepresented in the decision making level of the game.

ok, im a fat bastard, and i dont mind if the person next to me shouts "parkin you fat bastard". but i can fully understand why a black person would be deterred from attending football matches if they heard "black bastard" being screamed from the terraces. football grounds arent a cauldron of racial hatred, but they arent exactly race friendly are they?

[visunitafortior]

because by saying black bastard you are emphasising their skin colour in a derogatory way.

how would you feel if when on holiday in the caribean a black person called you a white bastard? Or a foreigner calls you an English bastard.

simple really.

[visunitafortior]

whalebfooked said:

A lot of it isnt racist at all it is just finding something that is different about the other person to you,

it's trying to put some one down and make them feel inferior due to the colour of their skin... that' racist u fuckwit.

[davemong]

I'm pleased I've got some "real" answers instead of PC abuse. Thanks


OK then, now you've got the drift, what about the word Paki, it's just shortened down way of saying Pakistani, but its considered racist, by pretty much everyone, and yet you can call people who are Australians-Aussys, people who are Swedish-Swedes, people who are British-Brits. So what really is the difference? Why can't we say Paki? You might say that people take offence to different things, but surely you choose what you are offended by, i.e if one of your friends calls you a cunt you wouldn't really take offence, but if a stranger, or worse still, your boss calls you a cunt, you would CHOOSE to be offended. Have a think.

[visunitafortior]

get out of the dark ages and switch on a light. the term Paki is an offensive word and has been used against pakistanis for decades. Like the word Negro, Nigger etc. you really are an ignorant s.o.b

[edinburghstokie]

quite often the word paki is aimed at anyone of north indian / pakistani looks. Abit like calling all pasty skinned people (like myself) a jock, (no ginger hair though).

[tijuanabrass]

whalebfooked said:

yeah i know what you mean, the bloke next to me on tuesday was calling their center half a "black bastard", but he also called that swedish leftback a "longhaired bastard", then at half time he was shouting at parkin for being a "fat bastard".

A lot of it isnt racist at all it is just finding something that is different about the other person to you, hence the longhaired bastard and fat bastard remarks.

If half the Stoke team had shoulder length hair and that bloke had denegrated an opposition player for being a "long-haired bastard" I can imagine him being pilloried by the crowd for being a moron, if nothing else.