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Post by nico007 on Mar 30, 2011 19:43:24 GMT
tickets will go on gen sale so what is the problem? Its more the fact that I have been honest and brought the one ticket as the rules say, even though I know others that want one and don't have any sort of ticket, stub or otherwise and I could of got them one but didn't as I don't want to screw over other fans that have also stuck to the rules and may loose out because of the dick heads that have abused the system. i know what you are saying but if you want a ticket people will find a way to get there hands on them. i can not see stoke city turn people away at wembley trouble in the making if they do
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Post by geriatricoatcake on Mar 30, 2011 20:23:49 GMT
Sorry forgot message.
I know an original paid up Foundation member and season ticket holder who in all innocence bought a second ticket for a relative (previous season ticket holder 10+ years) who does not frequent this site and had no idea he was in the wrong,having waited until yesterday.This is a potential minefield with so many varying degrees of indiscretion,so where do you draw the line? I have no sympathy for someone who has used the same membership number twice, in particular if any West Ham stub qualifiers miss out on a ticket.However, I dont think there will be many doing it for profit and 99% will be genuine fans (very few non supporting family members out for a jolly).No consolation for those without a ticket at present and I hope all those who have paid their dues are successful.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 30, 2011 20:34:32 GMT
Everyone that wants a ticket for the semi-final will get one.
Don't worry yourself.
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Post by tubby on Mar 30, 2011 20:35:54 GMT
I've been to wembley and my ticket would'nt work,i got in eventually after loads of examining of my ticket by head stewards etc,thing is i got it off seetickets ![:-[](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/fwGSRilBFZwfei5Q6XIp.gif)
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 30, 2011 21:01:56 GMT
What if the regulars are using there mates season tickets to by tickets? Doesn't matter does it - assuming that we sell out, somebody is going to miss out. The people you refer to are getting an unfair advantage and removing themselves from the risk of being the ones who miss out. I was about to respond to funky's post, thanks for the explanation.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 30, 2011 21:04:38 GMT
And in the 2 weeks they will revoke thousands of tickets and pay wembley stadium to re produce more etc etc.i very much doubt it mate.SCFC are sayin the right things but at the end of the day they are a bussiness and when all 32k are sold they will be happy.FACT.Also they cant legally revoke tickets that people have purchased in good faith yes they can, you accept the T's&C's when you buy, they say you can't abuse the system. People who have abused the system can easily be notified by the club by phone, e-mail & letter to ensure their tickets have been invalidated, and rightly so IMO. Absolutely spot on Northwich.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 30, 2011 21:11:58 GMT
Sorry forgot message. I know an original paid up Foundation member and season ticket holder who in all innocence bought a second ticket for a relative (previous season ticket holder 10+ years) who does not frequent this site and had no idea he was in the wrong,having waited until yesterday.This is a potential minefield with so many varying degrees of indiscretion,so where do you draw the line? I have no sympathy for someone who has used the same membership number twice, in particular if any West Ham stub qualifiers miss out on a ticket.However, I dont think there will be many doing it for profit and 99% will be genuine fans (very few non supporting family members out for a jolly).No consolation for those without a ticket at present and I hope all those who have paid their dues are successful. It's easy to draw the line, if you are guilty of double buying then you should lose the tickets and have no right to any future ones. While I'm sure not many are doing it for personal gain, just wait for the outrage on here when we sell out and they start appearing on Ebay for three times the value. The simple point is this, people have doubled their allocation and will as you say give them to the deserving in the majority of cases but for every ticket that goes to someone who has never or rarely supported the club, a genuine and loyal supporter who has no ST but attends all or most matches will lose out. I don't know about you but to me that stinks.
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Post by desman2 on Mar 30, 2011 21:14:56 GMT
Fully agree with that
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Post by gb on Mar 30, 2011 21:23:59 GMT
Same old story 1 man = 1 ticket Another man , I want more than the first man End of story Thats life Some folk want more than their share. Let em know 2 days before the game that will sort them out .
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 30, 2011 21:38:51 GMT
Sorry forgot message. I know an original paid up Foundation member and season ticket holder who in all innocence bought a second ticket for a relative (previous season ticket holder 10+ years) who does not frequent this site and had no idea he was in the wrong,having waited until yesterday.This is a potential minefield with so many varying degrees of indiscretion,so where do you draw the line? I have no sympathy for someone who has used the same membership number twice, in particular if any West Ham stub qualifiers miss out on a ticket.However, I dont think there will be many doing it for profit and 99% will be genuine fans (very few non supporting family members out for a jolly).No consolation for those without a ticket at present and I hope all those who have paid their dues are successful. It's easy to draw the line, if you are guilty of double buying then you should lose the tickets and have no right to any future ones. Did you even read his post? Or mine before it?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 30, 2011 21:50:52 GMT
It's easy to draw the line, if you are guilty of double buying then you should lose the tickets and have no right to any future ones. Did you even read his post? Or mine before it? Yes, what's your point ?
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 30, 2011 21:53:23 GMT
Did you even read his post? Or mine before it? Yes, what's your point ? That your solution is totally unfair and impractical for those who've acted in good faith?
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Post by desman2 on Mar 30, 2011 21:59:20 GMT
The fact that you could only buy one at the stadium kind of invalidates the "good faith" scenario. If the club didnt bother then they would have let a person buy them then. Maybe im being cynical here but i dont swallow the " I didnt know" position.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 30, 2011 22:01:40 GMT
That your solution is totally unfair and impractical for those who've acted in good faith? Clearly you didn't read my post, you certainly quoted an edited version. What is exactly unfair about my "solution" ?
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 30, 2011 22:08:25 GMT
The fact that you could only buy one at the stadium kind of invalidates the "good faith" scenario. If the club didnt bother then they would have let a person buy them then. Maybe im being cynical here but i dont swallow the " I didnt know" position. "I don't swallow it" is no grounds to go punishing people though. For the club to really sanction everybody who double dipped, they'd have to be 100% certain that every single person did so knowingly, in a deliberate attempt to beat the system. The more I think about it the crazier the idea seems. They'd have lawyers crawling up their arses from every angle. The club took the money twice and sold the tickets twice, and now they're trying to say it was the customer's fault for buying the bloody things? It was the club's fuck up.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 30, 2011 22:19:25 GMT
That your solution is totally unfair and impractical for those who've acted in good faith? Clearly you didn't read my post, you certainly quoted an edited version. What is exactly unfair about my "solution" ? I did read your post but you seem to contradict yourself... on the one hand you say While I'm sure not many are doing it for personal gain and people have doubled their allocation and will as you say give them to the deserving in the majority of cases, and on the other you're saying they should have their semi tickets cancelled and be banned from buying tickets in the future, despite acting in good faith...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 30, 2011 23:31:15 GMT
I could walk into my local shop and walk out with a chocolate bar in my pocket without paying for it. Should the shop be sanctioned for allowing me to do it? . There's no way you can make this analogy. Everytbody knows thieving is against the law, but in this ticket botch-up there's a whole host of possible mitigating circumstances... Not everyone sits on the Oatie and the OS 18 hours a day checking news and ticketing rules - imagine the following scenarios... - bloke gets told by a mate the date when he can buy tickets, goes to the ground, gets them. Gets home and his neighbours ask him if he can sort them out too. Thinks "hmm I wonder if I can book online too?" Finds Seetickets, enters same reference number - success! - someone buys tickets online, then, unsure of what the ticket allocation is, goes to the 1863 and says to the member of staff "am I still eligible to buy tickets on this ST?" SCFC salesperson tells them "yes." - someone with Plat membership mistakenly believes they are entitled to 2 tickets (one for the ST, one for the Plat) and buys one at the ground and one online. - someone is fairly sure they're only allowed one ticket each but not certain. Buys one at the ground then later thinks "I'll just check online in case I can get more than one." Finds he can go through the process without problems so assumes he must have been mistaken. - two friends want to be really sure of getting tickets so one goes to the ground and one sits at home trying to book on the phone. Both are successful, believing they must have got in before their mate did. Before anyone says they're unrealistic scenarios, some people who sit on here day and night are still struggling with the ticketing rules so it's not so far-fetched. I know those who knowingly play the system should burn in hell and all that, but imo there's no way the club can go doling out punishments willy-nilly to people who could well have benefitted from the club's dropped bollock without even realising they've done anything wrong. That's a superb post Potter Log. And when you consider, that the club have actually fostered a culture of every man for himself when it comes to tickets, indeed actually promoting the ability to pay to queue jump as recently as this weekend using the silver membership loophole, it really does make any protistations from them about people also taking advantage of this additional loophole, seem just tincy bit hollow imo.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 31, 2011 10:34:56 GMT
Clearly you didn't read my post, you certainly quoted an edited version. What is exactly unfair about my "solution" ? I did read your post but you seem to contradict yourself... on the one hand you say While I'm sure not many are doing it for personal gain and people have doubled their allocation and will as you say give them to the deserving in the majority of cases, and on the other you're saying they should have their semi tickets cancelled and be banned from buying tickets in the future, despite acting in good faith... The original poster mentioned buying two tickets, I'm assuming he bought 2 under the ST rule, not by cheating the system. I don't have an issue with someone buying 2 tickets under the ST rule, the issue for me is the number of people who have purchased twice under their ref number, at the ground and online.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2011 10:48:50 GMT
The Club won't revoke any ticket sales. I can guarantee that.
As long as we sell our allocation, the club will be happy.
The time and cost it will take to revoke tickets, re-issue and put back on general sale is just not worth it (thats what the club will think anyway). Think about it, they carry out an audit, identify say 1,000 purchases that "abuse" the sytem. They then revoke these sales, go through the process of re-issuing tickets for sale. They then have to go through the process of notifying all those that have had their tickets cancelled as well as notifying the public of dates for sales of the "new" tickets.
They then have to prepare and deal with the barrage of complaints from all the Stokies that have had their tickets revoked (it won't be a simple "complain" and then leave it. You will be dealing with a fuck load of fucked of Stokies that won't let it lie - missing out on Wembley!!).
You have got to pay staff for the re-sale of tickets and then there is all the legal issues that would arise.
It's problem after problem after fucking problem.
Anyone who actually believes the club will do anything about this issue is deluded. They won't. Fact.
Too much time, hassle and money involved.
They will sell the tickets, be happy with the income and then hope the problem goes away.
WD
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 31, 2011 11:29:35 GMT
Why go to the hassle of revoking the tickets? Why not just announce that anyone who has broken the rules to buy two tickets should return the extra ticket to the club. If they don't their season ticket for next year will be revoked (and their money refunded) and they will be black listed from buying any Stoke tickets (including a Wembley final) until the end of next season.
That would bring most of the wrongly sold tickets back to the club I should think.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 31, 2011 11:35:17 GMT
Why go to the hassle of revoking the tickets? Why not just announce that anyone who has broken the rules to buy two tickets should return the extra ticket to the club. If they don't their season ticket for next year will be revoked (and their money refunded) and they will be black listed from buying any Stoke tickets (including a Wembley final) until the end of next season. That would bring most of the wrongly sold tickets back to the club I should think. Good call
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 31, 2011 11:37:37 GMT
Why go to the hassle of revoking the tickets? Why not just announce that anyone who has broken the rules to buy two tickets should return the extra ticket to the club. If they don't their season ticket for next year will be revoked (and their money refunded) and they will be black listed from buying any Stoke tickets (including a Wembley final) until the end of next season. That would bring most of the wrongly sold tickets back to the club I should think. Or why don't they, politely contact the people they were mistakenly sold to, admit the club's error and offer to refund the purchase? Having said all that, I suspect the number of tickets that have been sold in error, is absolutely minisucle and is hardly worth the attention it's getting.
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Post by rocket on Mar 31, 2011 11:41:35 GMT
Here is a scenario for you guys then ...
Mate goes to ticket office to pick up wembley ticket on a season ticket that is not his. But he forgot the ticket so when gets to the office the chap behind counter says can I help you. Mar mate says come to ge a ticket for Wembley he is asked for his season ticket or ref no. Mar mate realises that he aint got the other lads ticket and blurts out his own surname, this is not a common surname I might add.
chap on counter checks computer and finds one person with his surname and says thats a rare surname but I have found you what price ticket do you want? Mar mate just says £40 and pays and is on his way.
This makes me laugh as he aint got a season ticket in his name and the chap behind the counter did not even ask for ref no. or season ticket.
Now who are the fools ?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 31, 2011 11:42:08 GMT
Why go to the hassle of revoking the tickets? Why not just announce that anyone who has broken the rules to buy two tickets should return the extra ticket to the club. If they don't their season ticket for next year will be revoked (and their money refunded) and they will be black listed from buying any Stoke tickets (including a Wembley final) until the end of next season. That would bring most of the wrongly sold tickets back to the club I should think. Or why don't they, politely contact the people they were mistakenly sold to, admit the club's error and offer to refund the purchase? Having said all that, I suspect the number of tickets that have been sold in error, is absolutely minisucle and is hardly worth the attention it's getting. Yes, they could do that Paul but, personally, I think those who bought two tickets when they were entitled to only one, should take some of the blame for the situation. I really don't think there will be many people, if any, who didn't realise that one season ticket holder was entitled to only one ticket. So, I reckon most of those who bought two will have been well aware that they were getting the second under false pretences. Obviously, any returned tickets should be reimbursed - I agree with you on that.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 31, 2011 11:51:34 GMT
Or why don't they, politely contact the people they were mistakenly sold to, admit the club's error and offer to refund the purchase? Having said all that, I suspect the number of tickets that have been sold in error, is absolutely minisucle and is hardly worth the attention it's getting. Yes, they could do that Paul but, personally, I think those who bought two tickets when they were entitled to only one, should take some of the blame for the situation. I really don't think there will be many people, if any, who didn't realise that one season ticket holder was entitled to only one ticket. So, I reckon most of those who bought two will have been well aware that they were getting the second under false pretences. Obviously, any returned tickets should be reimbursed - I agree with you on that. I think Potter Log's (excellent) post earlier in the thread addresses this John. More to the point, I don't think the club would fancy their chances, if their aggressive approach over the last few days was challenged legally. I'm just offering a different way to skin a cat, rather than going all John Wayne about it, I guess.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 31, 2011 12:28:19 GMT
I do agree in part Paul, that the club probably wouldn't get very far in trying to "void" the additional contentious tickets. Which is WHY I would expect them to ask people to return them with the suggestion that they will void the season tickets of offenders and announce that they wouldn't sell Cup Final tickets to them. Much easier to enforce.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 31, 2011 12:54:41 GMT
I do agree in part Paul, that the club probably wouldn't get very far in trying to "void" the additional contentious tickets. Which is WHY I would expect them to ask people to return them with the suggestion that they will void the season tickets of offenders and announce that they wouldn't sell Cup Final tickets to them. Much easier to enforce. Do you really expect the club to risk losing £300-£400 on a season ticket for 33% of a semi final ticket price ??? Apart from the fact it makes no sense financially it wouldn't be an effective sanction to any person who has exploited the loop hole, all they'd need to do was get a friend who doesn't go who is in the same age group as them to take out their now revoked season ticket and they could then continue to attend in the same seat and apart from losing a few quid on the early bird prices there's no difference to them. The only sanction to threaten would be the banning of receiving cup final tickets but to be honest I doubt the club will even do that it's merely a lip service exercise for them for what is probably a very minor problem.
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Post by RAF on Mar 31, 2011 13:00:24 GMT
I think the best thing that can happen in this instance, is to let it go and learn from the mistakes. The club won't chase down the people who broke the rules and I can't see threats of no final tickets cutting any ice because they will be available from elsewhere. The club should put their hands up , say they fucked up, apologise and tighten up ticket sales for the final and beyond.
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Post by Northy on Mar 31, 2011 14:00:09 GMT
It's the degree of tort, both parties were at fault; however when buying a ticket you accept the T's&c's of not abusing the system, which some people have done, so the extra tickets should be returned or cancelled; that should be a more lenient punishment of withholding tickets for the final/season tickets etc. I'm presuming a few on here have managed to get tickets via the double booking so don't want the tickets cancelling ???
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