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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2011 22:32:36 GMT
for me its the crunching tackle
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Post by stokelad84 on Feb 1, 2011 22:33:44 GMT
I wouldn't say it's scary. We don't pass it around for the sake of passing it around.
Thats fine by me.
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Post by Lawto on Feb 1, 2011 22:35:37 GMT
for me its the crunching tackle A fine crunching tackle is pointless if you give the ball straight back to the oppo. |
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 1, 2011 22:35:38 GMT
It's not the exception either lawto. It's been like that every year in the Prem so far. Every single team that's competed in the Prem since we've been up here completes a significantly higher number of passes than us. And people are lambasted as Wenger apologists and tippy-tappy wankers for calling for a bit more ball retention. Only in Stoke, ah tell thee. |
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Post by Lawto on Feb 1, 2011 22:39:02 GMT
It's not the exception either lawto. It's been like that every year in the Prem so far. Every single team that's competed in the Prem since we've been up here completes a significantly higher number of passes than us. And people are lambasted as Wenger apologists and tippy-tappy wankers for calling for a bit more ball retention. Only in Stoke, ah tell thee. The worrying bit is we seem to be getting worse. Tone said we would "evolve" as a footballing side. I'm not seeing any evidence of it. Yes we are getting better players. But they are just better at playing Tone's style of football. |
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Post by alexk on Feb 1, 2011 22:40:01 GMT
The teams at the top of the league are the best passers. Odd that.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Feb 1, 2011 22:41:36 GMT
Hoofball is for people with the intellectual attention span of a gnat.
Football's moved on fella, like life. And just as life's not about coshing some fucker over the head these days and making off with their Brontosaurus so football at the highest level has become a game of brain not brawn.
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Post by stokelad84 on Feb 1, 2011 22:44:28 GMT
The teams at the top of the league are the best passers. Odd that. Shock horror, they also have the most expensive players  |
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Post by Lawto on Feb 1, 2011 22:45:41 GMT
Hoofball is for people with the intellectual attention span of a gnat. Football's moved on fella, like life. And just as life's not about coshing some fucker over the head these days and making off with their Brontosaurus so football at the highest level has become a game of brain not brawn. Blimey!! Football's not chess Waddo. But it's not WWF either. A happy medium will do. |
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Feb 1, 2011 22:46:01 GMT
But we have more expensive players than many in that list and we're still rock bottom.
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Post by alexk on Feb 1, 2011 22:46:18 GMT
The teams at the top of the league are the best passers. Odd that. Shock horror, they also have the most expensive players Arsenal have several players that cost less than Dean Whitehead. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 1, 2011 22:46:40 GMT
What's scary about the pass stats is that Sunderland and Brum are in 16th and 17th place and yet have both made 60% more passes than us.
The disparity is unbelievable.
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Post by stokelad84 on Feb 1, 2011 22:48:37 GMT
Arsenal have several players that cost less than Dean Whitehead. What was Walcott again, £15million as a 16 year old? |
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Feb 1, 2011 22:48:56 GMT
It's getting closer to chess every day mate. But the joy of it is the intellectual edge of chess COMBINED with a visceral, physical passion. That's football's appeal. Have you seen Barcelona at all?
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 1, 2011 22:50:31 GMT
What's scary about the pass stats is that Sunderland and Brum are in 16th and 17th place and yet have both made 60% more passes than us. The disparity is unbelievable. I've said it before, but watching Stoke - especially if you watch a weekend of other "neutral" games from the Prem and Spain - is literally like watching a different sport sometimes. |
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 1, 2011 22:51:36 GMT
Arsenal have several players that cost less than Dean Whitehead. What was Walcott again, £15million as a 16 year old? Possibly the worst example you could have picked. Walcott can't pass for shit. ;D |
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Post by Lawto on Feb 1, 2011 22:51:53 GMT
It's getting closer to chess every day mate. But the joy of it is the intellectual edge of chess COMBINED with a visceral, physical passion. That's football's appeal. Have you seen Barcelona at all? Good point, well made.  |
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Feb 1, 2011 22:52:27 GMT
Hudson-Smith; Messi-Puyol. That's football. Not Higgy-Mama or Whitehead-Delap.
You STOP the opposition and you CREATE.
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Post by alexk on Feb 1, 2011 22:53:19 GMT
Arsenal have several players that cost less than Dean Whitehead. What was Walcott again, £15million as a 16 year old? Nowhere near, but not like you to make things up, hey? Besides, comparable player woud be Alex Song, who cost a few hundred grand. Or Fabregas(ha!), who cost nothing. |
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Feb 1, 2011 22:54:59 GMT
Well said Alex.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 1, 2011 22:58:15 GMT
I wouldn't say it's scary. We don't pass it around for the sake of passing it around. Thats fine by me. That'll be because as you've proved time and time again, you hate football. Absolutely ludicrous original post, I've yet to see anybody crave 'tippy-tappy' football on here, what a lot of people are advocating is a mix of direct football and some actual passing. A few weeks ago we were getting there, and a few of the more hardened PHW's were actually softening in their stance and admitting to enjoying the games. Recently, as Tone does every now and then, we've reverted to plan A and plan A only, which is fine by some but reverts others to their original wankstainery. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp. |
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Post by march4 on Feb 1, 2011 22:58:33 GMT
Hoofball is for people with the intellectual attention span of a gnat. Or have a double first in Physics from Oxford |
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Post by 321 on Feb 1, 2011 22:59:30 GMT
I.e. the tippy, tappy, pass, pass, pass - fall back then pass it across the back keeping posession all day with no tackling - physical contact -passion even or, any form of challenge until you reach that last third try to 'walk it in the net' as well - arrogant pansies ! just for all you who hate hoofball and crave the Arsene Wenger approach HAS it really occured to any of you empty headed dolts its actually far more fucking boring, predictable and often FAR FAR worse to watch than ANYTHING WE DO ANYTIME ! I watch it regularly and turn it over because its soulless crap for the most part And yet, many 'PURISTS' on here seem to masturbate furiously in the hope one day we'll play like that ? I crave 'a bit more through midifield' true but, the shit on here tonight just takes the fucking biscuit ! FFS ! +1 |
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 1, 2011 23:00:08 GMT
Hudson-Smith; Messi-Puyol. That's football. Not Higgy-Mama or Whitehead-Delap. You STOP the opposition and you CREATE. I think it's important to note the difference between style and success here. Chelsea under Mourinho were big and physical. Mourinho's Inter played a masterful game in nullifying Barça with 10 men last year. Greece played hoofball to win the Euros. Allardyce and Pulis have both achieved moderate success in the Prem, while watching Spain's WC winners was like watching the movement of a clock for 120 minutes, and about as interesting. One particular style does not equal success. It's a question of taste. |
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Feb 1, 2011 23:00:38 GMT
Hoooosat then March??????
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Feb 1, 2011 23:05:14 GMT
The successful sides have STOPPERS and CREATORS.
They also place a huge premium on POSSESSION.
It's as true of Inter as it is of Barcelona and Spain to different degrees.
Greece didn't play hoofball as we know it but they WERE mightily defensive.
The last successful hoofball side was Wimbledon in 1629.
But we appear to have emulated that success 400 years later, if only to a modest degree.
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Post by march4 on Feb 1, 2011 23:06:36 GMT
The successful sides have STOPPERS and CREATORS. They also place a huge premium on POSSESSION. It's as true of Inter as it is of Barcelona and Spain to different degrees. Greece didn't play hoofball as we know it but they WERE mightily defensive. The last successful hoofball side was Wimbledon in 1629. But we appear to have emulated that success 400 years later, if only to a modest degree. I think there was a touch of hyperbole somewhere in that post, but I couldn't quite spot it ;D |
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Feb 1, 2011 23:07:34 GMT
The word 'success'? Guilty as charged m'lud!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 1, 2011 23:09:47 GMT
Hudson-Smith; Messi-Puyol. That's football. Not Higgy-Mama or Whitehead-Delap. You STOP the opposition and you CREATE. I think it's important to note the difference between style and success here. Chelsea under Mourinho were big and physical. Mourinho's Inter played a masterful game in nullifying Barça with 10 men last year. Greece played hoofball to win the Euros. Allardyce and Pulis have both achieved moderate success in the Prem, while watching Spain's WC winners was like watching the movement of a clock for 120 minutes, and about as interesting. One particular style does not equal success. It's a question of taste. You can't diss Spain's style of play on here PL.  I completely agree with You btw. |
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Feb 1, 2011 23:14:54 GMT
Well Mark I'm reacting to the overt crap posted by others and yes - its two wing halves everytime for me too There are some rather disturbed people on here you know (I actually have a life outside this message board you know, it seems however plenty seem to live solely for slagging their own team, its style of play and manager 24/7 - sad acts they are) - and a balance has to be restored sometimes by posting the provocative alternative hence my leading post but - shit bin it if you like and lets all fuck off to Cuba or Peru or somewhere like that eh ? Cuba sounds quite a decent idea but countering extreme views with just as puddled polar opposite views doesn't seem so clever. Its not as if you believe a word of your own typing is it? No one is perverse enough to claim watching our lads spend close on seventy percent of the majority of league games chasing down the opposition is exciting fulfiment and some sort of superior method for pitys sake. It has been an admirable grity fight for the time we have needed to establish and stabalise ourselves after so many years down among the dead men but only a tool is going to claim it as a sustainable format going forward. We have moved forward for close on three years using it for sure but that is courtesy of the fact we have brought in expensive players to do it to the ultimate maximum (or close enough) and sooner or later it is going to run out of legs. There is no suprise package to us anymore and the fact is that all our peer teams are getting stronger and stronger with all the money sloshing around. Look at the tightness of the league and the supposedly shock results this season if you doubt that. Sooner or later we arent going to be able to stay ahead by chasing down, two banks of four and letting the opposition dictate every game. I dont believe the manager subscribes to the ideas you pass off as wonderful in the long run. i certainly hope not anyhow although when he all but admits he hasnt a scooby how to accomodate gifted individualist players by his buy and sell moves you can see why there has been an element of panic. Its not as though we arent strong enough to change it. We can now blow the West Hams of this world and many others out of the water with our financial muscle as proved by the Demba Ba situation. We can evolve and evolve very well so lets drop this shit pretending we dont play football because we have some sort of superior solution that we enjoy. Its simply puddled. Just explain to the +1's on this thread that you dont actually mean it for fucks sake! |
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