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Post by sheikh al dubai bin stokie on Apr 6, 2008 8:04:46 GMT
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Post by Northy on Apr 6, 2008 8:07:56 GMT
we'll just have to wait and see.
is anybody making a note of all these so called experts ready to ram it back down their throat?
"brushed stoke aside in the FA cup" if the blind and incompetent Steve bennet had seen Steve tylors gentle palm away they wouldn't have had a 2nd chance
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Post by salopstick on Apr 6, 2008 8:08:22 GMT
cannot wait for that cock to be proved wrong
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Post by sheikh al dubai bin stokie on Apr 6, 2008 8:11:03 GMT
its all about context isnt it... and these fooktards have no friggin understanding of the word context....
Newcastle brushed us aside... yes, in a replay, after struggling against us, and after events outside their club gave them a boost
"They must prove they are worthy of a place in the top division by showing the ambition to compete" ..... what? like Boro?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 6, 2008 8:11:39 GMT
It's funny how he remembers only the replay of that cup game and not the home game.
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Post by stoketastic on Apr 6, 2008 8:12:37 GMT
Nick Miller who wrote that shite is a KNOB  Like Mr Peter Coates said, he's learned from other teams mistakes in the promised land (not exactly his words, but simular) In Mr Pulis and Co we will stay in the Premiership! Bring it on Goaaaarn Stoke |
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Post by One-Two on Apr 6, 2008 8:18:36 GMT
he knows what he's talking about because he's probably watched us play loads of times this season. Yeah right
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Apr 6, 2008 8:23:57 GMT
"if West Brom sort their defence out"
A rather big IF I think.
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Post by scfclifer on Apr 6, 2008 8:24:48 GMT
we were seriously understrength for the replay aswell
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Post by RAF on Apr 6, 2008 9:12:08 GMT
If we don't spend a fair chunk of the SKY money if not all of it then he is right.
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Post by stokiematt on Apr 6, 2008 9:16:59 GMT
With any two from Bristol City, Stoke, Hull, West Brom and Watford in contention for automatic places, there is going to be at least one 'Derby' in the Premier League next season. Watford have been here before and if West Brom sort their defence out they may compete, but Bristol, Stoke and Hull will likely be utter embarrassments. watford? they play worse football than us ??? FUCKING PISSES ME OFF |
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Post by Linx on Apr 6, 2008 10:44:07 GMT
What really underlies this article (even though its writer fails to acknowledge it!) is the issue of the obscene money in The Premiership that makes it almost impossible for newly promoted clubs to compete. The Prem happily separates itself more and more from the football league, witnessing the latter's increasing impoverishment, with a record number of clubs going into administration, and then sneers at the plucky few poor relations who manage to climb the greasy pole, and who arrive blinking in the harsh light of unfair competition. For him to complain, therefore, that we would see it as a short-lived 'payday' is even more ironic. To surmise that that we would be only there for the money and would have no intention of competing is an insult. So the big boys are not there for the money, are they? They are only there to grace the world with their pure football, sheerly for the joy of it? Why not reduce the Premiership to 16 or 18 super-rich clubs, with no relegations or new boys? That would then move more towards the ideal that he seems to be expressing. |
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Post by ted1965 on Apr 6, 2008 10:47:12 GMT
Okay having read that it’s easy to see it was written without much thought or actual attempt to put any reasoned thought into the piece.
I am not pretending we couldn’t do a Derby, if I had that kind of foresight then I would be winning the lottery every other week and the fixed odds coupon would be as easy as filling in the blanks. Though to assume simply based on what has happened this season with Derby that any club who doesn’t fit into the criteria they have set out then immediately they are dismissed out of hand.
There is the possibility we could indeed do what Derby have done, though any reasoned individual would assume that owners and managers of those clubs would have watched carefully and learned a few things about what you’ll need to improve on what Derby have done, there’s also the facts Derby admit they were not yet ready to make that step up. Though if you just say we will only accept promotion when we feel the media feel we’re worthy of it, you may as well make the Premiership a closed shop, no club should aspire to succeed or better itself and like life about 150 years ago we should all know our place and not try and better ourselves.
That’s the problem with this kind of media football expert, they don’t want change, they don’t want football to develop. They are so far up the asses of the bigger clubs and the rest of the clubs are simply there and tolerated but certainly not encouraged. I suggest if he wants football like that then look at the state of the game north of the border, it’s dying on it’s ass and there seems no way of bucking the trend.
The use of a one off cup game to decide whether a side can survive in the Premiership is retarded to say the least, so Barnsley by comparison should be near the top end of the Premiership, they brushed aside Chelsea and Liverpool in the cup. Though the reality being Barnsley are a mediocre mid table Championship side, who aren’t capable week in week out of competing for promotion from a league below, though using the logic used here they would compete. The second game between ourselves and Newcastle had so many side show features that once Keegan had been named manager a few hours before kick off we were never realistically going to win. The first game however we competed and should have won, though again it’s ridiculous to assume you can compete or not at that level based on either game.
The reality, if we go up then of course we’re going to need to spend money to compete, there is also the fact that until players have had a chance to compete at that level you just don’t know who will come into their own and who wont. I am sure he would have said the same things about Wigan, Reading and others who managed to compete and not always spending huge amounts of money.
I think the author of this is an embarrassment to lazy journalism, it’s easy to join the bandwagon and dismiss sides simply because they don’t fit into the view you set out for survival, it’s interesting to note he picked out the three sides who have never been in the Premiership before. The words if Brazil sorted out their defence, well firstly they actually have to improve on anything they have shown of late defensively to get into the Premiership.
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Post by Coll40 on Apr 6, 2008 10:53:37 GMT
He's probably right - we will struggle.
But it should be every football clubs aim to get into the top flight, then survive for a few seasons, before trying to get into Europe, and ultimately, the Champions League.
If we don't aim for the top, we might as well go to watch a local pub team
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Post by walrus on Apr 6, 2008 10:55:40 GMT
I actually think we'd be reasonably competitive in the Premiership, with a little strengthening over the summer I expect we could get results, especially at home, against the majority of the bottom half teams in the division and a Sundeland-esque lower mid-table finish would be on the cards.
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Post by nathan on Apr 6, 2008 10:59:53 GMT
I actually think we'd be reasonably competitive in the Premiership, with a little strengthening over the summer I expect we could get results, especially at home, against the majority of the bottom half teams in the division and a Sundeland-esque lower mid-table finish would be on the cards. If we want to emulate Sunderland then we will have to spend a similar amount of money. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2008 11:03:35 GMT
He fails to even recognise the fact that Reading, Wigan, Portsmouth and up until this season Bolton have all faired very well in the prem and can stand up for themselves. What would these journo's like to see a Scottish prem style fixture list where teams have to play each other 4,5 maybe 6 times because no one else is worthy. It is just a load of drivel from people who think they have a divine right to defend the pure football of the BIG CLUBS.
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Post by clactonpotter on Apr 6, 2008 12:01:33 GMT
I hope that the writer of the article realises that the thoughts he has penned , if realized ,would represent a sad reflection on the state of football.
Basically condemning all teams apart from those few super premiership teams to oblivion.
Only those teams, who like a black hole can hoover in the worlds best players are worthy of playing as an elite,self sustaining premiership core!
Forget the fact that competitive leagues and promotion are based on merit.
No reflection on the fact that teams like Arsenal often play without an English player and over the last few years the % of English players playing in the Premiership...and thus available to the National Squad has nearly halved.
If Nick believes this stuff we may as well cancel the F.A. Cup or any other competition where unworthy teams 'might' just have the temerity to either achieve or God forbid,aspire to greater things.
Where do you draw the line? Really only those capable of entering the Champions League are worthy of premiership status? Demote the remaining flotsam?
Only very few teams can be winners at one time.With ideas like Nicks ,virtually every team would be a loser all of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2008 12:07:57 GMT
You do fear (well, I do anyway) that the more instances like Derby's occur in the Prem that it may very well start some serious discussions in the media, and possibly in the game itself, about having a closed top flight.
To quote this buffoon, 'We can be accused of snobbery' - well, at least he possesses some self-awareness. And who is the 'We' he speaks of? Is he the voice of half-arsed journalists everwhere?
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Post by mermaidsal on Apr 6, 2008 12:44:07 GMT
Honestly bring it on with the lazy abuse, they've no idea how we really do things here. Derby lay down like a puppy and whatever else happens there's no way we'll do that. And how many goals have we scored this season again with only one striker in (patchy) form???
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Post by Homzy on Apr 6, 2008 12:52:10 GMT
You'll laugh your tits off when you hear who Nick Miller supports....United? Chelsea perhaps? No the mighty fucking Nottingham Forest.
I'll tear the prick to pieces if he's in work today. And he'd better watch out at our next 5-a-side game!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2008 12:56:14 GMT
You'll laugh your tits off when you hear who Nick Miller supports....United? Chelsea perhaps? No the mighty fucking Nottingham Forest. I'll tear the prick to pieces if he's in work today. And he'd better watch out at our next 5-a-side game!! hahahahahahaha.... no wonder he has some kind of complex about this issue then! I think I described Forest's woeful football in another thread. And when I mentioned 'half-arsed journalists', I obviously don't include your good self in that category  |
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Apr 6, 2008 12:56:18 GMT
;D
Perhaps he thinks it is still the Cloughie era and expects Forest to storm out of oblivion to European glory?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2008 13:40:57 GMT
Liverpool give him some real stick when you meet him next ;D
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Post by lurcherman on Apr 6, 2008 14:04:03 GMT
Fuck his pen
Fuck his paper
Fuck his laptop
Fuck his pc
Fuck his thoughts
Fuck his ideas
Fuck his ramblings
Fuck his team
But most of all, Fuck yourself off, Windy Miller ;D .. Prick.
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Post by serpico on Apr 6, 2008 14:08:40 GMT
A promoted team coming straight back down, .... hardly a bold prediction is it ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2008 14:13:54 GMT
It's not that though Serpico - it's the "utter embarrassment" line, and overwhelmingly arrogant suggestion that the likes of us and Bristol City aren't fit to grace his precious Premiership.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Apr 6, 2008 14:46:14 GMT
Remember the Keegan factor? Thats all they could talk about on MOTD they're back to their very best? To here them tlk they're going to piss the league next year. I mean none of this is based on facts and previous achievements. What a load of shite.
All we need next year is a couple of goal scorers. Someone on here put the goals per ratio game of the bottom clubs and they were all dreadful less than a goal a game.
Other than the 'grandslam' teams the premiershite is fucking awful and interest in the top four's games and the champions league up until the quarter finals is now waning.
Money has killed football as a competition.
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Post by LDE76 on Apr 6, 2008 16:26:41 GMT
Spot on, Mr D.
If you paid any attention to the national media, attempting to win promotion to the Premiership is a criminal offence and is punishable under Section 258a, Paragraph 16.1 of the Trying To Get In On The Act Act 1992-93, "Contaminating or otherwise attempting to undermine the integrity, by means of one's presence, the charging of non-exhorbitant admission prices, the selection of players unheard of by the Sunday tabloids or by being a non-cunt who believes football should be about more than just making shitloads on cash, of the greatest competition on Earth".
Fact is, I think decent Stoke-related media coverage will continue to be a rarity, due mainly to the fact that many of these hacks have been following the Premiership for so long, their comprehension of what constitutes "proper football" has been twisted beyond all recognition.
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