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Post by jbstokie on Jan 24, 2011 11:37:40 GMT
First time I've been on since the Fulham game so sorry if already covered. But how weak did Tuncay look? I know he's not known for strength but apart from his 'once-a-game' backheel he was really poor, he's seems to get away with almost anything too. A bloke behind me at Fulham was absolutely slaughtering Collins (and rightly so). But when Tuncay makes a mistake he's just "unlucky". I know a lot of Stoke fans are in a deep love-in with this guy but I think he was really poor at Fulham, and just because he played well vs Bolton this can't just be overlooked. Rightly subbed by Pulis. Tuncay IS NOT the answer.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 24, 2011 11:41:56 GMT
I don't think you could point the finger at individuals as there were so many shocking performances.
You couldn't single out Collins at the back because Ryan had a mare also.
You couldn't single out Wilson in the midfield because Matty was woeful.
You couldn't single out Tuncay up front because one shot aside KJ was pretty gash.
I think we should just accept that on the day we were pretty useless.
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Post by keithy george on Jan 24, 2011 11:42:38 GMT
you are right had a poor game and rightly subbed, but carew is not the answer either
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Post by rigsby on Jan 24, 2011 11:43:15 GMT
you are right had a poor game and rightly subbed, but carew is not the answer either Give him a chance. |
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Post by jbstokie on Jan 24, 2011 11:43:43 GMT
I don't think you could point the finger at individuals as there were so many shocking performances. You couldn't single out Collins at the back because Ryan had a mare also. You couldn't single out Wilson in the midfield because Matty was woeful. You couldn't single out Tuncay up front because one shot aside KJ was pretty gash. I think we should just accept that on the day we were pretty useless. Yeah I know that mate, we were poor all over, but Tuncay seems to get special treatment from fans, in the stands at least. |
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Post by stokesupporter on Jan 24, 2011 11:44:32 GMT
Tuncay is not too lightweght for his role as a creative player. He sometimes go down with ease but so does Whitehead. The point is we need different type of players, allthough TP seems to like all players to be the bruiser types. Well, at least they can kick the ball far and high.  |
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Post by RINGO STARR on Jan 24, 2011 11:47:28 GMT
Jamo has summed it up perfectly. EVERY Stoke player from keeper to striker had poor games. When this happens Danny Collins will get slaughtered more than Ryan or Huth, Wilson/|Delap will be singled out over Ethers or Whitehead and Tuncay's lightweightedness wil get pointed out.
It was a poor day at the office which happens from time to time. I'm not going to look into this game too much for conclusions on the season etc.
What we must have seen from Saturday was that Rory Delap is not a right winger, Danny Collins is not a left winger and that a central midfielder (NOT ANOTHER STRIKER) is needed. Somehow, I still think this has been missed.
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Post by keithy george on Jan 24, 2011 11:52:45 GMT
you are right had a poor game and rightly subbed, but carew is not the answer either Give him a chance. Im not saying hes crap just we've got to many players like him we dont need 3 or 4 target men, just thought we could get a loan in and spend 52 grand in wages else where (eg in midfield) |
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Post by wandonlodge2 on Jan 24, 2011 11:54:19 GMT
ALL the team had a bad day. Shawcross has been great lately but he was badly at fault for both goals. Football teams have bad days - everyone in our division (Man Utd apart) have had some 'mares this season.
Our lot played Bolton off the pitch last week . This week we were very poor - that's how football usually works. That is why it is interesting.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 24, 2011 11:55:13 GMT
It was Tuncays worst game in awhile which is a bloomin shame because TP will drop him and go with KJ (even though he had a bad un an all) and Big John
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Post by stokesupporter on Jan 24, 2011 11:56:52 GMT
I don't think you could point the finger at individuals as there were so many shocking performances. You couldn't single out Collins at the back because Ryan had a mare also. You couldn't single out Wilson in the midfield because Matty was woeful. You couldn't single out Tuncay up front because one shot aside KJ was pretty gash. I think we should just accept that on the day we were pretty useless. Yeah I know that mate, we were poor all over, but Tuncay seems to get special treatment from fans, in the stands at least. So basicly you would be happier if Tunny were booed too? Btw. all our players shoud get that special treatment, so that it would become a common treatment IMO, but I'm glad someone is still spurred on. PS. Messi is more lightweight than Tunny. |
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Post by stokerambler on Jan 24, 2011 12:00:09 GMT
Tuncay is pretty lightweight on the ball compared with Fuller. But Jones can be lightweight too and yes, everyone was well below par on Saturday.
Carew, in his short time on the pitch looked much stronger at holding up the ball, and when that happens others get the chance to get up the pitch and provide support. This is Fuller's great strength. Too often on Saturday Tuncay and Jones were easily shaken off the ball. Carew is no replacement for Fuller but I do think we will benefit from his strength on the ball.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 24, 2011 12:01:27 GMT
Is it just me or does anyone else reckon Ric and Carew would be a real handful?
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Post by jbstokie on Jan 24, 2011 12:04:28 GMT
Yeah I know that mate, we were poor all over, but Tuncay seems to get special treatment from fans, in the stands at least. So basicly you would be happier if Tunny were booed too? Btw. all our players shoud get that special treatment, so that it would become a common treatment IMO, but I'm glad someone is still spurred on. PS. Messi is more lightweight than Tunny. Exactly. & Good point, but Messi can beat his man and has an end product. |
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Post by keithy george on Jan 24, 2011 12:05:46 GMT
Is it just me or does anyone else reckon Ric and Carew would be a real handful? agree pity we wont see it happen |
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Post by RINGO STARR on Jan 24, 2011 12:05:58 GMT
ALL the team had a bad day. Shawcross has been great lately but he was badly at fault for both goals. Football teams have bad days - everyone in our division (Man Utd apart) have had some 'mares this season. Our lot played Bolton off the pitch last week . This week we were very poor - that's how football usually works. That is why it is interesting. Man Utd have had a number of 'mares' this season. The only difference being that they've had that bit of luck on their side. This Luck can also be construed as cheating or having an official on their side. Would Rio or Vidic have been sent off for Ryan's challenge on Dempsey? Would Wilko have been treated the same as Gary Neville has on countless occassions this season? |
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Post by stokesupporter on Jan 24, 2011 12:17:12 GMT
So basicly you would be happier if Tunny were booed too? Btw. all our players shoud get that special treatment, so that it would become a common treatment IMO, but I'm glad someone is still spurred on. PS. Messi is more lightweight than Tunny. Exactly. & Good point, but Messi can beat his man and has an end product. The thing often with creative players is that when they are not in song, they just look errr...lightweight. Not going to comment more on "no end product" thing... because Tunny contributes more than just a goals for the team when on form, like posession, threat, guile etc. It could be said that 90% of our players got no end product, in the last match it was 100% bar Shawcross, who really had an END product. Who ever invented that phrase in the first place: it's one of the stupidiest and most annoying phrases around. |
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Post by snapotter on Jan 24, 2011 12:42:43 GMT
Tuncay gets knocked off the ball easily, but he is smaller than a lot of the defenders he comes up against. What I can't believe is how easily KJ gets knocked off the ball given his athletic build.
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Post by maximusdickie on Jan 24, 2011 15:07:15 GMT
Just because Tuncay isnt 6 foot 2 and black he isnt stoke material? he is our most skillful player, on par with fuller, and should be given the chance to prove himself. The team played badly against Fulham, not just Tuncay. Also, why on earth did we sign Carew? we have enough strikers!
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jan 24, 2011 15:14:40 GMT
Just because Tuncay isnt 6 foot 2 and black he isnt stoke material? he is our most skillful player, on par with fuller, and should be given the chance to prove himself. The team played badly against Fulham, not just Tuncay. Also, why on earth did we sign Carew? we have enough strikers! Yeah, but we need strikers that can score goals maximus..and that's the problem We have no-one apart from Ric that can score from open-play..and that's why we need a play-maker like Tuncay..or something similar..to create chances to feed Kenwyne and JC.. |
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Post by jbstokie on Jan 24, 2011 15:17:26 GMT
Just because Tuncay isnt 6 foot 2 and black he isnt stoke material? he is our most skillful player, on par with fuller, and should be given the chance to prove himself. The team played badly against Fulham, not just Tuncay. Also, why on earth did we sign Carew? we have enough strikers! Carew is better 'striker' than Tuncay (different players I know...), 45 goals in the last three seasons to Tuncay's 20. Tuncay isn't fit to lace Fuller's boots, what makes you say Tuncay hasn't had the chance to prove himself? He's made 44 appearances for Stoke. Just because he has fluorescent boots and fannies about a bit doesn't make him as skillful as Fuller. I haven't got anything against Tuncay and I hope he proves me wrong but I just don't see the jizzfest over him - still. That's not just based on Saturday either. Fuller and Carew would be my preferred forward line for Liverpool. |
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Post by gnosallpotter on Jan 24, 2011 15:21:08 GMT
why isn't Etherington getting the same stick for being lightweight? I haven't seen him win a header for Stoke yet, which Tuncay seems to do quite a lot considering he's under 6 foot.
double standards for another Tuncay out thread....
IMO Carew and Jerome in for Fuller and Tuncay out is a Massive step backwards for this football club.
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Post by jbstokie on Jan 24, 2011 15:28:07 GMT
why isn't Etherington getting the same stick for being lightweight? I haven't seen him win a header for Stoke yet, which Tuncay seems to do quite a lot considering he's under 6 foot. double standards for another Tuncay out thread.... IMO Carew and Jerome in for Fuller and Tuncay out is a Massive step backwards for this football club. Tuncay out? Don't remember suggesting that. Just perhaps that he too can do wrong. Etherington can beat his man and put a cross in, most of Etherington's runs start with the ball at his feet. Nobody expects wingers to be winning headers in the middle of the park... ??? |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 24, 2011 15:30:03 GMT
Let me put you in the picture, let me show you what I mean, the messiah is my sister, ain't no king man, she's my queen...
I don't know how you can single him out for criticism when everybody was wank. He had no service all game, so of course he looked ineffective... But so did Jones.
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Post by elystokie on Jan 24, 2011 16:31:20 GMT
So basicly you would be happier if Tunny were booed too? Btw. all our players shoud get that special treatment, so that it would become a common treatment IMO, but I'm glad someone is still spurred on. PS. Messi is more lightweight than Tunny. Exactly. & Good point, but Messi can beat his man and has an end product. Makes you wonder why we didn't buy Messi really doesn't it? Pulis out! |
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Post by jbstokie on Jan 24, 2011 16:36:32 GMT
Exactly. & Good point, but Messi can beat his man and has an end product. Makes you wonder why we didn't buy Messi really doesn't it? Pulis out! It's pretty clear that that's not the point I was making My point is that if you're going to be a lightweight you have to have aspects to your game that make that irrelevant. Which IMO Tuncay does not. |
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Post by elystokie on Jan 24, 2011 16:42:27 GMT
Makes you wonder why we didn't buy Messi really doesn't it? Pulis out! It's pretty clear that that's not the point I was making My point is that if you're going to be a lightweight you have to have aspects to your game that make that irrelevant. Which IMO Tuncay does not. And clearly the vast majority of the fans that pay the players wages agree with you, which is why they don't sing his name all the time |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 24, 2011 16:51:14 GMT
He's always been light weight which has been one of my main criticisms of him since he came, that and the fact that he's had 1/2 good games since he came here. I personally feel we should cash in now (fuller would need to be kept) and spend the money on a creative midfielder.
Just to be clear this is not an opinion that has been formed because of just the last game but his over all time at Stoke.
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Post by laurie on Jan 24, 2011 17:46:23 GMT
Tuncay is skilful but doesn't have good balance hence he gets knocked off the ball. Conversely, Ric has excellent skill +
balance so tends to keep the ball. A very underated skill in my opinion.
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Post by stokelad84 on Jan 24, 2011 18:56:49 GMT
Good points JBstokie
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